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maybe

remember though that the fascists in Italy and Japan were busy with aggressive wars long before Hitler joined in...................and Stalin and the Soviets were balls deep in atrocity since Lenin..........

there may have been a host of different wars

I disagree with @Haggis though

nobody was going to beat the US to the bomb

nobody was even close and the sheer economic power it took would have wrecked most other nations............

remember yall,the soviets only got the bomb because they were given the info from spies in the US...........
i forgot about lenin invading poland, but that was an important european war so i was wrong about peace since ww1 either way.

i need to learn more about the early days of mussolini.

def japan was well into the chinese invasion before the west took any military action. if amrica never started with the sanctions(maybe wasn't the word used then, basically i mean not selling them oil) then japan might still own korea and manchuria, or results in the host of wars you mentioned.
 
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Sure, but nukes were going to enter the game at a certain point anyway, whether it's 1945 or 1978. And we drew just about the best-case scenario for introducing them into armed conflict.

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maybe

or maybe the US still drops one on Japan to convince em to get out of china and we get the same sort of 'oh my' moment and a 'cold war' of sorts after it........

we had been backing china for years before the actual war broke out........

or maybe Nixon gets the bomb in 1965 and establishes the Pax Americana................
 

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nah................

the german army was effectively shattered outside moscow before the US even joined.............the NCOs and professional core that made it so efective already damaged beyond repair

russian manpower,space and lack of infrastructure was going to be too much for them..............without the US directly involved it would have taken longer to bleed out the germans but it would have happened...........

remember that the US was already 'involved' supporting the UK before hitler declared war on the Soviets or germany declared war on the US and that economic/shipping aid was far more important than any direct military intervention in europe..........

IMHO it would have taken a coup in the USSR that put a regime willing to sign a bad peace in power and a total lack of aid from the west to give Hitler a shot..........

MAYBE if he had gone hands off and let the generals run the show from day one of 1941 there was a slim chance of 'victory' ............
Had Hitler went into Russia 3 weeks earlier (which would have been possible if Italy hadn't gone into Greece).


And had Hitler been able to convince Japan to hit Russia I think they could have won.
 
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Had Hitler went into Russia 3 weeks earlier (which would have been possible if Italy hadn't gone into Greece).


And had Hitler been able to convince Japan to hit Russia I think they could have won.
nah

the greek/yugoslav thing is kinda an urban legend tossed out by Hitler himself to explain why they failed in the USSR and the japanese got their asses BUTCHERED at Khalkin Gol in 1939 and wanted no more of the Soviets after that

thats to say the balkans and greece didnt delay really hitler,the condition of the front was more impactful and the japanese army was in no condition to fight a european one in 1939,never mind 1941
 

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nah

the greek/yugoslav thing is kinda an urban legend tossed out by Hitler himself to explain why they failed in the USSR and the japanese got their asses BUTCHERED at Khalkin Gol in 1939 and wanted no more of the Soviets after that

thats to say the balkans and greece didnt delay really hitler,the condition of the front was more impactful and the japanese army was in no condition to fight a european one in 1939,never mind 1941
John Keegan bought into it (I first about it in his book A History of Warfare 25 years ago or so).
 

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John Keegan bought into it (I first about it in his book A History of Warfare 25 years ago or so).
he may have.........I,in fact,have that book myself...............and a few others............I cant remember what he said about it tbh..........

I wouldnt call him my go to source for any really deep look at the eastern front,TBH.............his 'The First World War' may be my favorite work by him

most dont buy it though.............its one of those 'common knowledge' things that's been part of the legend of the war since before it ended............
 

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3 weeks earlier would mean 3 weeks less oil saved up. the way i understand it this was the main limit on the german advance through russia.

russia didn't prepare so 3 weeks changes nothing on their side.
 
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3 weeks earlier would mean 3 weeks less oil saved up. the way i understand it this was the main limit on the german advance through russia.

russia didn't prepare so 3 weeks changes nothing on their side.
russia actually was preparing....................they just sucked at it..............as far as grand strategy and initial troop placement............but they had been re-arming at breakneck speed for years and had T-34s and KV tanks ready to go from day one,for instance............they outnumbered the NAZIs in everything from planes to tanks and men but overestimated their own effectiveness and grouped most stuff right on the border,prepared to 'counter attack' and push straight into germany............turns out to have been a tad over optimistic..........

anyway,it wasnt 'oii' that was the problem with the german invasion of the USSR...........it was LOGISTICS..........they underestimated the difficulty of moving shit across the vast distances and thought a 'road' on a russian map was the same as one on a european map,which,when they hit those dirt tracks,was quite a rude awakening.................one of the things that killed them was lack of motor transport after the first few months as trucks built for european paved roads broke down and died in the mud and dust of russian 'roads'..............they were forced to conscript thousands and thousands of civilian trucks from all over occupied europe to try and plug the gaps which only made it worse as there were no standardized parts for the ragtag fleet............

lack of fuel only became a larger problem than lack of ability to move it later in the war.............
 
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Had Hitler went into Russia 3 weeks earlier (which would have been possible if Italy hadn't gone into Greece).


And had Hitler been able to convince Japan to hit Russia I think they could have won.
He probably shouldn't have even entertained attacking Russia. Without US help he was always going to smash the UK. Britain has a far more inflated ego because of WW2 but the reality is the English channel and Russia / US carried us to a win. They had better tanks. Better planes. And we had to call in empire manpower we were so pathetic.

America also used the war to supplant UK world dominance with their own. Remove the Empire from Geo Politics and use German tech to reach the moon.

If I could convince him (unlikely) I'd accept his bodyguard role on the condition he stopped persecuting Jews & once he'd beaten Britain into capitulation & gave them Israel. Then He could establish the EU state 40 years sooner, the EU, not US would be the dominant space faring continent, same for entertainment media (Germany had a big movie industry pre ww2), and general global wealth & power.

It would also save 10's of millions of EU men's live (soldiers lives.)

And we wouldn't be such a bunch of liberal pussies having war guilt 24/7.

Generally Europe would be in a far better place than it is now.
 
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boomers

why do you think we are so fucked today?
That era sucked. What's so great about a phone with one button that you have to ask some random telco lady to complete your call who'll more than likely be listening to your whole conversation anyway? And all that manual labor women had to do for the war. And to top it off most of the women back then looked like men. :verysad

Actually, gay women of the present world would probably love it. :think1
 

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That era sucked. What's so great about a phone with one button that you have to ask some random telco lady to complete your call who'll more than likely be listening to your whole conversation anyway? And all that manual labor women had to do for the war. And to top it off most of the women back then looked like men. :verysad

Actually, gay women of the present world would probably love it. :think1
at least we could all wear cool hats

so there is that

and polio

lots of polio
 

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why do you think we are so fucked today?
Who the fuck would want to go back to that shithole of a time? :verysad
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That era sucked. What's so great about a phone with one button that you have to ask some random telco lady to complete your call who'll more than likely be listening to your whole conversation anyway? And all that manual labor women had to do for the war. And to top it off most of the women back then looked like men. :verysad

Actually, gay women of the present world would probably love it. :think1
I actually think you underestimate the women significantly.

Now adays 90% of women are obese.
 
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I actually think you underestimate the women significantly.

Now adays 90% of women are obese.
It disgusts me how fat women are now.

I mean yeah men are tubby now.....but women are much worse, they're vile. There's genuine pride taken in obesity.
 
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Had Hitler went into Russia 3 weeks earlier (which would have been possible if Italy hadn't gone into Greece).


And had Hitler been able to convince Japan to hit Russia I think they could have won.
Very hard to see the non mechanized Japanese army execute an operational feat of that magnitude. The Germans were at their operational limit at the suburbs of Moscow and the Japanese army for all intents and purposes relied on small arms, close combat, night infiltration and superior elan. It was not prepared for the mass combined arms manuevre warfare as illustrated at Khalkin Gol. Even with the pressure being out on them in Eastern Europe there was a still a substantial armored force in Siberia, complete with tanks and heavy bombers well within range if Japanese bases in China. The Japanese problem was oil and steel, which they were unlikely to get in frozen Siberia.

Doubtful that a Japanese invasion of Siberia would've altered the war in the West other than freeing up the British and Australians armed forced to be deployed in Africa and the Mediterranea n
 
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So do you take the job? Without your help he definitely dies during one of those events
yes..
First I will kill dr Morell who slowly poisoned Hitler with wrong and strange medicines making Hitler insane from 42/43 onwards

furthermore I will predict a few things (comming from the future I know these ofcourse) so Hitler believes me to be kinda all knowing.

then I influence him on not doing the death camps and killing the Jews.

I will tell him how to win ww2 and Europe (at least Western Europe) will turn into paradise
 
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Very hard to see the non mechanized Japanese army execute an operational feat of that magnitude. The Germans were at their operational limit at the suburbs of Moscow and the Japanese army for all intents and purposes relied on small arms, close combat, night infiltration and superior elan. It was not prepared for the mass combined arms manuevre warfare as illustrated at Khalkin Gol. Even with the pressure being out on them in Eastern Europe there was a still a substantial armored force in Siberia, complete with tanks and heavy bombers well within range if Japanese bases in China. The Japanese problem was oil and steel, which they were unlikely to get in frozen Siberia.

Doubtful that a Japanese invasion of Siberia would've altered the war in the West other than freeing up the British and Australians armed forced to be deployed in Africa and the Mediterranea n
well it’s not about the japs doing much damage it’s about the fact that loads of russki soldiers had to stay in the east because of Japanese possible threat
As soon as Japan an usa went to war Stalin transferred a huge amount of soldiers from the east to the western front wich helped the russkis a lot