RBR!!! Sergey Kovalev (WBO) vs. Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez - November 2nd 2019

Kovalev vs. Canelo Winner and How?


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DB Cooper

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Also, why did Moretti give Canelo the first?
I watched the 1st round again and Kovalev spends almost the entire round hitting Canelo's gloves. Canelo probably landed as many scoring punches as what Kovalev did and he finished the round better too. That said, I would probably have scored it to Kovalev. But I can see where Moretti was coming from.

Moretti also scored 8, 9 and 10 for Kovalev when each of the other judges split rounds 9 and 10 either way.

 
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Canelo is strong as fuck. He stood toe to toe with Golovkin for 12 rounds and just bullied Kovalev en route to a brutal knockout.
You are hilarious. You really don’t understand levels. Beterbiev was a heavyweight as an amateur, a guy who bullied Usyk around the ring twice. He is so much stronger and more powerful than Golovkin it’s not funny.
Kovalev isn’t a physical fighter, and he fought in a passive manner trying to box and protect his chin. When he did push against Canelo you could see that he was stronger than him.

Beterbiev would absolutely steamroll poor little Canelo, that’s not a reasonable fight to be made. I picked Canelo to beat Kovalev but he doesn’t have a shot in hell at making a dent against Beterbiev. Canelo will know that, that’s why he immediately talked about going back down to 160-165 in the post fight interview.
 
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Meh.
Fighters used to box 12 times a year.
2 week break is enough.
I dont think its cononcidence boxing fell off since you see youre favorite fighters once or twice in 12 months.
When fighters boxed all the time they all had the same disadvantage, so it was negated. That’s why boxing used to be such a poor quality sport.

Kovalev was concussed against Yarde, that’s why his already fragile chin was shattered so brutally.
 
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I don't think Kovalev took a dive, but Canelo seemed to do as much as possible to stack the deck in his favor. Judges, Rehydration clause, so soon after Yarde.

I'll say it again: Why didn't Canelo use any head slips, even when Sergey threw those rare power shots at his head?

There is only ONE explanation: Canelo wasn't afraid of getting hit hard. Therefore, he had to know that the fix was in.

This 'aint rocket surgery.
 
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When fighters boxed all the time they all had the same disadvantage, so it was negated. That’s why boxing used to be such a poor quality sport.

Kovalev was concussed against Yarde, that’s why his already fragile chin was shattered so brutally.
Are you trying to argue boxing is a better quality sport now than it ever has been?
 
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I watched the 1st round again and Kovalev spends almost the entire round hitting Canelo's gloves. Canelo probably landed as many scoring punches as what Kovalev did and he finished the round better too. That said, I would probably have scored it to Kovalev. But I can see where Moretti was coming from.

Moretti also scored 8, 9 and 10 for Kovalev when each of the other judges split rounds 9 and 10 either way.

I'll give it a rewatch here in a bit.

Rewatched it, it's Kovalev's round.
 
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rjjfan

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I really hope Bivol gets the next shot at Canelo. Bivol can cut down to SMW per his admission so its a very feasible fight to make.
 
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Are you trying to argue boxing is a better quality sport now than it ever has been?
Obviously, there is no argument. Simply from the inclusion of Soviet and Cuban fighters into the pro game. Then there’s everything else that comes with a sport evolving (plus better athletes, training, nutrition etc.). Simply the Internet spreading information. There is literally no way you can argue that boxing isn’t at the highest quality it has ever been. Of course plenty of dumb boxing fans idolise guys in black and white videos, but I’m yet to hear an argument from that camp that is anything other than “Because it’s true, and I said it’s true”.
 
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Obviously, there is no argument. Simply from the inclusion of Soviet and Cuban fighters into the pro game. Then there’s everything else that comes with a sport evolving (plus better athletes, training, nutrition etc.). Simply the Internet spreading information. There is literally no way you can argue that boxing isn’t at the highest quality it has ever been. Of course plenty of dumb boxing fans idolise guys in black and white videos, but I’m yet to hear an argument from that camp that is anything other than “Because it’s true, and I said it’s true”.
How long have you been watching boxing for?

Forget the black and white videos. Some of us were there watching it in those days, and guess what sonny boy, when you were their live it was in colour.

Fancy arguing about something you never saw with people who did. What an ignorant dick. :patsch
 
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How long have you been watching boxing for?

Forget the black and white videos. Some of us were there watching it in those days, and guess what sonny boy, when you were their live it was in colour.

Fancy arguing about something you never saw with people who did. What an ignorant dick. :patsch
Sorry, do you have a point or an argument somewhere?
I started watching in the 90s, Roy Jones, Whitaker and Toney were my favourites. Guess what, boxing today is so much better than even just then, never mind 70s, 60s etc.
Do you think you have some special privilege because you watched those fights live? You do know footage exists right, I can see how poor the general quality of boxing is.
 
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Sorry, do you have a point or an argument somewhere?
I started watching in the 90s, Roy Jones, Whitaker and Toney were my favourites. Guess what, boxing today is so much better than even just then, never mind 70s, 60s etc.
Do you think you have some special privilege because you watched those fights live? You do know footage exists right, I can see how poor the general quality of boxing is.
You have been watching boxing for all of 5 minutes and think you know it all. What a twat! :lol:
 
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You have been watching boxing for all of 5 minutes and think you know it all. What a twat! :lol:
I don’t know it all, but in my time watching I’ve obviously learned more than you if you think boxing used to be of a higher quality.
If you think you have a point then make it, provide video evidence and a rationale. Or just stick to the ad hominem because you know you don’t have an argument.
 
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Kovalev was throwing pitty pat punches for a few reasons:

1. He was under pressure from Canelo's footwork, and felt the need to react

2. Canelo was leaving very few openings

3. He was worried about being countered if he committed to his shots

4. He no longer has full confidence in his work or his engine

5. He wanted to keep working to try win rounds


Kov isn't the same fighter he was, and Alvarez is one of the best out there at applying pressure without throwing.

Canelo is up there with Loma and Usyk in his ability to apply pressure and tire opponents out just with movement.
 
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It was tricky to score some of the rounds.

Boxing is primarily scored on clean punches landed, (the other criteria only comes into play if you can't split them based on punching alone), and there was little to separate them.

Kov was throwing a lot, but most were blocked, and they were having little effect, whereas Canelo rarely threw but his punches were landing more cleanly and with more power.

Where the scales tipped in each round in terms of Kov's quantity versas Canelo's quality is subjective.

A key consideration is that Alvarez's punches appeared to be effecting Kovalev, but Kovalev only seemed to get a reaction once.

Judges place greater emphasis on the effect the punch has, than they do it's power. (This is another reason comoubox has very limited application in the reading or scoring of fights).
 

One Man

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Lets see Canelo fight 12x a year he will get at least 4 KO losses in that time, 2 weeks break isnt enough a normal day injury can last about a week these guys constantly pick up small injuries in camp and train through it
All fighters carry injuries from camp.
Its the name of the game.
 
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Be great to see a body puncher Vs Canelo. It always seem like most of his opponents get suckered into head hunting him.
 
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Be great to see a body puncher Vs Canelo. It always seem like most of his opponents get suckered into head hunting him.
If the Golovkin of old fought Canelo, that would be a great test. Golovkin these past few years stopped being the body puncher he used to be, which was a fucking devastating one. The snap he used to get on his shots was so much greater than what he's capable of generating now (admittedly he's older so that makes sense). I've watched every Golovkin fight and always said that no one could take a sustained Golovkin body attack. He has 4 or 5 KO's to the body and a host of KD's. It used to be his greatest asset, which then became his jab. Shame we didn't get to see a more prime Golovkin vs. Canelo. Canelo is a great body puncher himself, but I never viewed him as that kind of body puncher.

This version of Golovkin was on another level than the 35+ year old one.
 
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In (slight) defense of @Mexi-Box , loads of idiots on Facebook Boxing groups were saying the KO "looked fishy" or outright claiming Kovalev took a dive.

In perhaps an attack on @Mexi-Box however, I promptly left all of those boxing groups forever... as anyone with fucking eyes can see that Kovalev got wobbled by 2 clean punches and then legit finished the fuck off with a beautiful straight right to the chin, then bounced off the floor and got hung up in the ropes as he slept.

Come on guys. You've seen boxing matches before. You've seen beautiful, brutal KOs before, and you've seen fighters take dives before. Dives don't look like beautiful, brutal KOs. They just don't. Dives look like a fighter quitting between rounds, faking injury, taking a knee and not getting up, then popping up at 10 and congratulating the opponent... saying "I can't see" when the doc asks... etc. Nobody fakes a wobble then gives SAUL ALVAREZ a free shot to the jaw while arguably ahead on the scorecards late in the fight. Watch the replay as many times as you need to and ask yourself if it really makes sense.
 
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I don’t know it all, but in my time watching I’ve obviously learned more than you if you think boxing used to be of a higher quality.
If you think you have a point then make it, provide video evidence and a rationale. Or just stick to the ad hominem because you know you don’t have an argument.
It is very difficult to be objective about things you have never seen and by your own admission you haven't seen much. Even though you plainly have disillusions of grandeur and think you know everything. Listen more and speak less and you will improve your boxing knowledge and sound like less of a twat at the same time.