Shit show shooting

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I mean,WE,the taxpayers,are on the hook for the actions of a couple of retards

they should be PERSONALLY responsible

and in fucking jail
We as the taxpayers are on the hook for anything that a police officer has to pay, as we've paid their entire salary, also, they don't have the money to personally pay it so. I guess they could be awarded that and never get the money from the officer, or be awarded it from the taxpayers who paid for the shitty training, shitty vetting process, of each and everyone involved.

We paying the shit no matter what
 
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SwollenGoat

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We as the taxpayers are on the hook for anything that a police officer has to pay, as we've paid their entire salary, also, they don't have the money to personally pay it so. I guess they could be awarded that and never get the money from the officer, or be awarded it from the taxpayers who paid for the shitty training, shitty vetting process, of each and everyone involved.

We paying the shit no matter what
what a deal

maybe we could at least lock them up?

i mean,cold blooded murder DOES seem a bit over the top......................
 

Jack

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I think people are too quick to remove the human element from policing, fire fighting and so on. When you look at numbers about how many people are assaulted, what the injuries are, how many deaths, it all becomes very cold and unemotional but in every one of those cases, you've had humans who have had insufficient training to handle that situation, and it is insufficient because they're going through things that are impossible to deal with and can't be trained.

The other day, I stumbled on a suicide video (it was a troll post on a Reddit page, I wasn't looking for it but it's on the NSFW forum here) and it was basically a guy who was about to kill himself and then he did, he shot himself with a shotgun and his head exploded. It was a horrendous video. 30 seconds later, some officers walk into the room and see that for real; they hear the blood pouring on the floor, they smell the blood and the gunpowder, they see the personal items the man had, they see his scared dog...how the fuck is anyone ever going to be treated to see that? A man's head be turned into a mass of bloody pulp? But we discount that and then hold the officers entirely accountable when they do something wrong, with this virtuous stance of "well, I wouldn't have done that", but that disregards every emotion that these people have to go through in their working lives.

If you watch the videos back of a guy being chased with a knife or whatever, it's easy to say "he should have disarmed him" or whatever, and in many cases, it's true. However, we're completely neglecting the human reactions that people feel in these jobs; maybe the officers were shitting themselves and terrified, thinking they were about to be stabbed to death and they react irrationally? People can't just sit back and condemn these things from the comfort of their living room, acting like every situation could be dealt with by completely rationality.

It's an impossible job. The failing in these cases is to lump in officers who respond irrationally because they're in fear with those like Derek Chauvin or the officers in the Kelly Thomas case. They're scum who deserve the book to be thrown at them, but what is unfair is when you look at people like Chauvin and then associate every other preventable death in the same category. That's just not how it should be, it's condemning every officers who kills a man to the same low moral level as inhumane people like Chauvin.

Treat the scum harshly, throw the book at them, but in doing so, don't lump all these cases together and imply that the Kelly Thomas, George Floyd injustices are repeated all over the world. That's just not true. The vast majority of officers who kill do so out of fear and because they can never be trained properly, not because they're murderous pieces of shit like Chauvin. The vast majority of police officers need more compassion to deal with the horrendous things they see, not demonisation for struggling with an impossible, thankless, underpaid and underappreciated job.
 
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I mean,WE,the taxpayers,are on the hook for the actions of a couple of retards

they should be PERSONALLY responsible

and in fucking jail

Let me guess goat is ripping the police in the Taylor case. Glad her family got money but it’s not the cops fault.
 

Haggis

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We as the taxpayers are on the hook for anything that a police officer has to pay, as we've paid their entire salary, also, they don't have the money to personally pay it so. I guess they could be awarded that and never get the money from the officer, or be awarded it from the taxpayers who paid for the shitty training, shitty vetting process, of each and everyone involved.

We paying the shit no matter what
Personally, I think it's more important that the officers rot in a cell, than the department gets fined.

:hat
 

Haggis

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I think people are too quick to remove the human element from policing, fire fighting and so on. When you look at numbers about how many people are assaulted, what the injuries are, how many deaths, it all becomes very cold and unemotional but in every one of those cases, you've had humans who have had insufficient training to handle that situation, and it is insufficient because they're going through things that are impossible to deal with and can't be trained.

The other day, I stumbled on a suicide video (it was a troll post on a Reddit page, I wasn't looking for it but it's on the NSFW forum here) and it was basically a guy who was about to kill himself and then he did, he shot himself with a shotgun and his head exploded. It was a horrendous video. 30 seconds later, some officers walk into the room and see that for real; they hear the blood pouring on the floor, they smell the blood and the gunpowder, they see the personal items the man had, they see his scared dog...how the fuck is anyone ever going to be treated to see that? A man's head be turned into a mass of bloody pulp? But we discount that and then hold the officers entirely accountable when they do something wrong, with this virtuous stance of "well, I wouldn't have done that", but that disregards every emotion that these people have to go through in their working lives.

If you watch the videos back of a guy being chased with a knife or whatever, it's easy to say "he should have disarmed him" or whatever, and in many cases, it's true. However, we're completely neglecting the human reactions that people feel in these jobs; maybe the officers were shitting themselves and terrified, thinking they were about to be stabbed to death and they react irrationally? People can't just sit back and condemn these things from the comfort of their living room, acting like every situation could be dealt with by completely rationality.

It's an impossible job. The failing in these cases is to lump in officers who respond irrationally because they're in fear with those like Derek Chauvin or the officers in the Kelly Thomas case. They're scum who deserve the book to be thrown at them, but what is unfair is when you look at people like Chauvin and then associate every other preventable death in the same category. That's just not how it should be, it's condemning every officers who kills a man to the same low moral level as inhumane people like Chauvin.

Treat the scum harshly, throw the book at them, but in doing so, don't lump all these cases together and imply that the Kelly Thomas, George Floyd injustices are repeated all over the world. That's just not true. The vast majority of officers who kill do so out of fear and because they can never be trained properly, not because they're murderous pieces of shit like Chauvin. The vast majority of police officers need more compassion to deal with the horrendous things they see, not demonisation for struggling with an impossible, thankless, underpaid and underappreciated job.
"It's an impossible job." :rofl :rolleyes

Meanwhile:




:hat
 

Icemmann

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I think people are too quick to remove the human element from policing, fire fighting and so on. When you look at numbers about how many people are assaulted, what the injuries are, how many deaths, it all becomes very cold and unemotional but in every one of those cases, you've had humans who have had insufficient training to handle that situation, and it is insufficient because they're going through things that are impossible to deal with and can't be trained.

The other day, I stumbled on a suicide video (it was a troll post on a Reddit page, I wasn't looking for it but it's on the NSFW forum here) and it was basically a guy who was about to kill himself and then he did, he shot himself with a shotgun and his head exploded. It was a horrendous video. 30 seconds later, some officers walk into the room and see that for real; they hear the blood pouring on the floor, they smell the blood and the gunpowder, they see the personal items the man had, they see his scared dog...how the fuck is anyone ever going to be treated to see that? A man's head be turned into a mass of bloody pulp? But we discount that and then hold the officers entirely accountable when they do something wrong, with this virtuous stance of "well, I wouldn't have done that", but that disregards every emotion that these people have to go through in their working lives.

If you watch the videos back of a guy being chased with a knife or whatever, it's easy to say "he should have disarmed him" or whatever, and in many cases, it's true. However, we're completely neglecting the human reactions that people feel in these jobs; maybe the officers were shitting themselves and terrified, thinking they were about to be stabbed to death and they react irrationally? People can't just sit back and condemn these things from the comfort of their living room, acting like every situation could be dealt with by completely rationality.

It's an impossible job. The failing in these cases is to lump in officers who respond irrationally because they're in fear with those like Derek Chauvin or the officers in the Kelly Thomas case. They're scum who deserve the book to be thrown at them, but what is unfair is when you look at people like Chauvin and then associate every other preventable death in the same category. That's just not how it should be, it's condemning every officers who kills a man to the same low moral level as inhumane people like Chauvin.

Treat the scum harshly, throw the book at them, but in doing so, don't lump all these cases together and imply that the Kelly Thomas, George Floyd injustices are repeated all over the world. That's just not true. The vast majority of officers who kill do so out of fear and because they can never be trained properly, not because they're murderous pieces of shit like Chauvin. The vast majority of police officers need more compassion to deal with the horrendous things they see, not demonisation for struggling with an impossible, thankless, underpaid and underappreciated job.
Make excuses for the police but children that grow up in areas where their classmates and neighbors are routinely gunned down in the streets, sometimes right in front of them, yeah I'm sure that has no effect on their mental health or actions.

And guess what? They didn't volunteer for it, nor did they receive any training.

But hey, let's blame it on rap music, never mind that gang violence was well established in the 60's and 70's, when the streets were FAR more violent.

It took the escalation of the drug war and the crack epidemic to push the numbers back up toward the 60's and 70's levels.
 
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Jack

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Make excuses for the police but children that grow up in areas where their classmates and neighbors are routinely gunned down in the streets, sometimes right in front of them, yeah I'm sure that has no effect on their mental health or actions.

And guess what? They didn't volunteer for it, nor did they receive any training.
Of course that's an issue. Who would ever deny that people - whether police or civilians - seeing dead bodies isn't going to fuck some of them up? Of course it is, the police are no different to anyone else, nobody can 'learn' how to see a human with their brains blown out and it mean nothing to them. The proposal of that point indicates you think that the police are inherently different to you and me, which just isn't true.

The issue with perpetual violence is a different issue entirely. That has nothing to do with this subject.
 
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Icemmann

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Of course that's an issue. Who would ever deny that people - whether police or civilians - seeing dead bodies isn't going to fuck some of them up? Of course it is, the police are no different to anyone else, nobody can 'learn' how to see a human with their brains blown out and it mean nothing to them. The proposal of that point indicates you think that the police are inherently different to you and me, which just isn't true.

The issue with perpetual violence is a different issue entirely. That has nothing to do with this subject.
The police have training. They have counselors provided to them through their department. If they have difficult coping with anything they're entitled to go on leave, and if they never recover from it, they can retire and draw an early pension.


Tell me what the kid who loses siblings, or friends, or neighbors to violence gets? What resources do they have when something adversely affects them?

Tell me more about the poor police.
 
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Haggis

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The proposal of that point indicates you think that the police are inherently different to you and me, which just isn't true.
Actually that very much IS true for a statistically significant minority of them.

Psychopaths gravitate towards the police and armed forces. And why wouldn't they? It gives them a job with a lot of p novelty, variety and autonomy, oftentimes it's exciting/exhilarating, they are allowed to be physically violent and escalate to overwhelming force when challenged, and they get to manipulate, dominate and control people. That's perfect for a psychopath. A fair number of cops are like that. Psychopaths don't tend to become grocers or chartered accountants.

:hat
 

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Like this guy.

A former Mesa, Arizona, police officer who was
acquitted two years ago in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man seen on video pleading "please do not shoot me" was temporarily rehired by his department last year so he could apply for an accidental disability pension.

Philip Mitchell Brailsford, 28, is now retired from the force with a tax-free pension worth $31,000 a year for life — and his attorney confirmed Friday that the settlement was a result of him suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder due to the shooting involving Daniel Shaver of Texas.



Fuckhead murders a guy who is crawling on his knees begging not to be killed. Gets acquitted because it's easy for cops to get morons like Pete on their jury.
 
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Like this guy.

A former Mesa, Arizona, police officer who was
acquitted two years ago in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man seen on video pleading "please do not shoot me" was temporarily rehired by his department last year so he could apply for an accidental disability pension.

Philip Mitchell Brailsford, 28, is now retired from the force with a tax-free pension worth $31,000 a year for life — and his attorney confirmed Friday that the settlement was a result of him suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder due to the shooting involving Daniel Shaver of Texas.



Fuckhead murders a guy who is crawling on his knees begging not to be killed. Gets acquitted because it's easy for cops to get morons like Pete on their jury.
I know not to comment on trial results where I didn’t see the evidence presented ( amazing how many on here don’t get that concept) but that seems to be obviously a bad shoot.
 

Icemmann

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I know not to comment on trial results where I didn’t see the evidence presented ( amazing how many on here don’t get that concept) but that seems to be obviously a bad shoot.
Bad shoot? How? He is drawing accidental disability because he shot that guy accidentally 5 times after trying to force him to crawl across the floor on his knees with his shorts falling down.

Obviously the camera isn't lying. The guy was a menace and even with multiple rifles pointed at him he was a danger to them all.

Split second decisions and such.


If the guy was never born, he would have never been shot.
 

SwollenGoat

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Bad shoot? How? He is drawing accidental disability because he shot that guy accidentally 5 times after trying to force him to crawl across the floor on his knees with his shorts falling down.

Obviously the camera isn't lying. The guy was a menace and even with multiple rifles pointed at him he was a danger to them all.

Split second decisions and such.


If the guy was never born, he would have never been shot.
its how pete works

firstly its 'wait for all the facts'

then its 'the video might not show everything'

then 'I wasn't on the jury so I dont know all the facts'


3 simple steps to acquitting all cops,forever................


who knows,the guy crawling on the ground with his shorts falling off might have ....................um........................been bad

or something