So abortion is now illegal in Alabama...

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Abortion is murder, plain and simple ( If it is from Rape or incest however I am not against it and I believe it is justified), but if it is a result of two idiots who did not practice safe sex then I think they need to grow up and take responsibility for what they did whether it's raising the child or giving it up for adoption..However I do not think it should be illegal... Outlawing things does not make it go away, it just increases a black market and becomes more dangerous.... The result will be fake doctors and teenage women throwing themselves down stairs. The supreme court decided that us as Americans have the right to own a gun and it decided women have the right to an abortion, there will be people who disagree with these things but in the end that is the price you pay to live in a free country.

I have always said that these horseshit "gun grabbing laws" these leftists fucks are trying to push will give no results, I will not be hypocritical and I will in fact apply this same concept to abortion.
 
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Didn't Kavanaugh recently side with the liberal justices on some big Apple case? I read it on another forum.
 
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Abortion is murder, plain and simple ( If it is from Rape or incest however I am not against it and I believe it is justified), but if it is a result of two idiots who did not practice safe sex then I think they need to grow up and take responsibility for what they did whether it's raising the child or giving it up for adoption..However I do not think it should be illegal... Outlawing things does not make it go away, it just increases a black market and becomes more dangerous.... The result will be fake doctors and teenage women throwing themselves down stairs. The supreme court decided that us as Americans have the right to own a gun and it decided women have the right to an abortion, there will be people who disagree with these things but in the end that is the price you pay to live in a free country.

I have always said that these horseshit "gun grabbing laws" these leftists fucks are trying to push will give no results, I will not be hypocritical and I will in fact apply this same concept to abortion.
Is it necessarily a bad thing if something like that increases a black market? I mean the murderers are more likely to hurt themselves in the process, and due to that it cleans up the scum of society while simultaneously discouraging people from doing it. It won't make it go away, but it will help right? If you define it as murder and murder rate is decreased as a result, that's a net positive right?
 
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About 80% of all conceptions are aborted naturally. Try caring about kids that have been born instead kids that might be born. America is every bit as bad as the Middle East when it comes religious fundamentalism.
It depends on degrees, when a child is viable. I don't think your presupposition that it is about religious fundamentalism is valid, and I don't think you can only care about kids born versus kids that might be born. How about we care about them all? There's a big difference between something that occurs naturally, and smashing the skull of a 20 week old baby and sucking the remains out with a vacuum. Everybody seems to take a dichotomous view on issues like this.
 
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It depends on degrees, when a child is viable.
Of all conceptions only 1/5 isn't destroyed naturally. That's includes all scenarios from the fertilized egg not attaching to the uterus to stillborn babies. So when the religious fanatics that are mainstream in the US argue that life begins at conception, they not mentioning this part.
 
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Of all conceptions only 1/5 isn't destroyed naturally. That's includes all scenarios from the fertilized egg not attaching to the uterus to stillborn babies. So when the religious fanatics that are mainstream in the US argue that life begins at conception, they not mentioning this part.
Err.. why would they? You don’t mention all the people dying ‘naturally’ when you’re talking about the ethical considerations of murder. It would be natural to grieve in those 4/5 cases. It’s still irrelevant to the volitional decision to end a healthy human life.
 
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It irritates me that every person who disagrees with murdering a baby is automatically assumed to be some religious nutjob.

I'm an atheist and I can tell you I detest abortion and it ain't because it goes against some make belief sky daddys wishes. No it's because I'm not a fucking shit human being who supports murdering babies.
 
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Err.. why would they? You don’t mention all the people dying ‘naturally’ when you’re talking about the ethical considerations of murder. It would be natural to grieve in those 4/5 cases. It’s still irrelevant to the volitional decision to end a healthy human life.
Because it clearly shows that conception does not equal a human life. 80% of the time conception does not lead to a human life. Drawing the line at conception is based on religious views which again is based on a emotional need to have clear demarcations (good/bad, haram/halal and so on). I'm for a 12 week limit on abortions for any reason and later abortions to save the mothers life in medical emergencies. The 12 weeks are of course also a demarcation but once that actually takes into account ethical considerations and biology rather than religious doctrine from many centuries back
 
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It irritates me that every person who disagrees with murdering a baby is automatically assumed to be some religious nutjob.

I'm an atheist and I can tell you I detest abortion and it ain't because it goes against some make belief sky daddys wishes. No it's because I'm not a fucking shit human being who supports murdering babies.
No you're just plain stupid then
 
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Everyone should have rights to their own body. I don't think it's for anyone to decide other than the woman if she wants to have the kid. At the end of the day, it's not really all that unnatural in a way. The woman's body often decides for itself whether to abort the offspring at any stage of the pregnancy. Very intricate cellular conditions have to be met because the woman's body is damn hostile to the offspring naturally.

Plus, for fuck sakes, a fetus isn't anything near a baby. Look at it this way, two hospitals are burning one with people and another with fetuses. I'm damn sure everyone here would save the people instead of the fetuses. You can do this thought experiment comparing a children's hospital to a retirement home, which you'll get different answers, but I'm damn sure people would save a retirement home versus a bunch of fetuses too. I think the fetuses would consistently lose here.

The potential for life is everywhere. Is jerking off murder? Is the morning after pill murder? This gets too ridiculous, really. Everyone should have ultimate authority over his/her body. The state shouldn't come in and order any woman to birth a child. This shit just gets ridiculous.
 
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Because it clearly shows that conception does not equal a human life. 80% of the time conception does not lead to a human life. Drawing the line at conception is based on religious views which again is based on a emotional need to have clear demarcations (good/bad, haram/halal and so on). I'm for a 12 week limit on abortions for any reason and later abortions to save the mothers life in medical emergencies. The 12 weeks are of course also a demarcation but once that actually takes into account ethical considerations and biology rather than religious doctrine from many centuries back
I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. It's a human life with a greater risk for complications until it can develop into a more robust human. There has to be a line at some point, and your 12 week mark is far more arbitrary than the mark of when an egg is fertilised.
Can I please have a source for your 80% naturally aborted rate? Everything I've read has it at 10-20%. Regardless, your argument makes no sense and seems to be predicated on emotion targeted at religion rather than any ethical or biological considerations.