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Anyone worried about a statue needs help, same with a flag. It's stupid.

You don't mess with history, it happened so ya live with reality. What......fake it?
 
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Anyone worried about a statue needs help, same with a flag. It's stupid.

You don't mess with history, it happened so ya live with reality. What......fake it?
For me it depends on the statue. I can't be bothered to defend statues that were built to usher in Jim Crow or designed to strike a certain amount of fear.

There's some degree of separation between monument Avenue statues of Lee, and a state of Andrew Jackson.
 
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Ohio sets up a "sanctuary city" for statues: https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-city-offers-accept-removed-statues-including-columbus-1515522

Ohio City Offers to Accept Removed Statues, Including Columbus

"A northeast Ohio city has offered to accept statues that have been removed from other areas of the United States due to their controversial ties.

On Saturday, David Lynch, the city manager of Ohio's Newton Falls, outlined the offer in a written proclamation letter that was obtained and published by several local news outlets. The letter designated Newton Falls a "Statuary Sanctuary City." It also described intentions to provide a "general amnesty" to monuments commemorating U.S. leaders who have been denounced for their associations with slavery and violence rooted in racism.

"I, David M Lynch, as City Manager for the City of Newton Falls do hereby proclaim that Newton Falls shall be known as a 'Statuary Sanctuary City' welcoming statues rejected by other cities across the United States and also proclaiming a general amnesty for George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, Patrick Henry, Francis Scott Key, Theodore Roosevelt and Christopher Columbus as represented by statues removed all the across the United States," the letter stated."
 

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It’s funny watching online lefty’s Bitching about this. The same people who had nothing to say when people were tearing down other statues. The hypocrisy of so many on the left is stunning and we see it ever day.
Oh, so some committed leftist BLM activists destroyed a statue of Frederick Douglas, eh? Sounds legit.

"There were no signs of graffiti at the statue or anywhere in the park, police said."

You know there are over a dozen statues of Douglas around that part of Rochester, because of his links to the area?

This one isn't the first to be vandalised either. 18 months ago, another statue of Douglass in Rochester was pulled down and destroyed. Unlike your one bitching about Leftys, however, THAT statue attack had witnesses, and people ended up in court over it.





"Me and my friend were extremely drunk, and for some reason thought it was a good idea to try and take a statue. It had nothing to do with the identity of the statue whatsoever like everyone thinks," he said. "Me and my friend did a terrible thing and I will not deny that but the motivation to it was 100% alcohol related. Nothing else contributed."


The guy who called 911 on them reported them running down the street yelling "N*s don't belong here!"

After they were caught, their defence was that they didn't even know who Frederick Douglass was, and they're just your standard pig-ignorant right-wingers who don't read and who know absolutely fuck all about anything that's not promoted by Shaun Hannity.

Any thoughts on that statue attack, Fat Pete?

Did you not think for even one second that a BLM activist destroying a Frederick Douglass statue makes no sense at all? It'd be like Clarence destroying a Josef Goebbels statue, ffs. :patsch

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I have in laws that live very near to where the statue was. I have been there numerous times and have seen that statue and others of Douglas thst are scattered around. I have also been to his grave a couple of times. Susan B Anthony’s grave is right there also. a couple of years ago someone stole a different Douglas statue but it was returned. Turns out it was just a drunken prank .Nathaniel Rochesters statue was defaced a few weeks ago in that City.
 
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Oh, so some committed leftist BLM activists destroyed a statue of Frederick Douglas, eh? Sounds legit.

"There were no signs of graffiti at the statue or anywhere in the park, police said."

You know there are over a dozen statues of Douglas around there, because of his links to the area?

This one isn't the first to be vandalised either. 18 months ago, another statue of Douglass in Rochester was pulled down and destroyed. Unlike your one bitching about Leftys, however, THAT statue attack had witnesses, and people ended up in court over it.





"Me and my friend were extremely drunk, and for some reason thought it was a good idea to try and take a statue. It had nothing to do with the identity of the statue whatsoever like everyone thinks," he said. "Me and my friend did a terrible thing and I will not deny that but the motivation to it was 100% alcohol related. Nothing else contributed."


The guy who called 911 on them reported them running down the street yelling "N*s don't belong here!"

After they were caught, their defence was that they didn't even know who Frederick Douglass was, and they're just your standard ignorant right wingers who don't read and who know absolutely fuck all about anything that's not promoted by Shaun Hannity.

Any thoughts on that statue attack, Fat Pete?

Did you not think for even one second that a BLM activist destroying a Frederick Douglass statue makes no sense at all? It'd be like Clarence destroying a Josef Goebbels statue, ffs. :patsch

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Actually I posted about this at the same time. Yes it was a drunken prank. People should not be takIng statues down. I don’t know who took this one down but it is wrong either way. I am a big statue guy and like to see them. Not sure what you want me to say.


I do think that if the left keeps going than you will see statues like this destroyed also. Anyone complaining about this but not about what is happening to other statues is a clown. Have you complained about other statues being taken down?
 
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Actually I posted about this at the same time. Yes it was a drunken prank. People should not be takIng statues down. I don’t know who took this one down but it is wrong either way. I am a big statue guy and like to see them. Not sure what you want me to say.


I do think that if the left keeps going than you will see statues like this destroyed also. Anyone complaining about this but not about what is happening to other statues is a clown. Have you complained about other statues being taken down?
Oh just a drunken prank. Those pesky white kids with their silly little pranks, best pat them on their head and send them on their way.

A black kid pulls a Confederate statue down and you want him jailed for 10 years, but a couple of white kids destroy a statue of one of the only famous early African American heroes and one of the greatest Americans of the 19th Century, and then run down the street yelling about how n*s don't belong here? Well that's just a drunken prank and oh, let me just switch over to whining about The Left real quick. :rolleyes

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Oh just a drunken prank. Those pesky white kids with their silly little pranks, best pat them on their head and send them on their way.

A black kid pulls a Confederate statue down and you want him jailed for 10 years, but a couple of white kids destroy a statue of one of the only famous early African American heroes and one of the greatest Americans of the 19th Century, and then run down the street yelling about how n*s don't belong here? Well that's just a drunken prank and oh, let me just switch over to whining about The Left real quick. :rolleyes

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I don’t like that it was taken down. They didn’t destroy it and it was returned. Again not sure what you want me to say. I am a huge statue guy and love to see them.
I think some should be removed rationally but things have gone way to far. People should go to jail for removing them. I don’t think you understand that you are the one being the hypocrite here unless of course you have been making a big deal out of other statues being removed. Did I miss that?

also why did you mention black kids removing confederate statues? White kids remove them also and I want the same punishment for both.
 
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I don’t like that it was taken down. They didn’t destroy it


Not destroyed.

I mean it was replaced with a different statue of Frederick Douglass, but......... that's irrelevant.

and it was returned.
By "it was returned", do you mean "the cops found it abandoned on the side of the road, a few metres from where it originally stood"?

Again not sure what you want me to say. I am a huge statue guy and love to see them.
I love statues too.

I don't want to go home, go to Diamond Harbour or Circular Quay, and see a huge statue dedicated to kissing the ass of a guy who took up arms to destroy the Australian nation and keep my fellow citizens enslaved in chains.

I think some should be removed rationally but things have gone way to far. People should go to jail for removing them.
But not people who destroy statues of a black guy who happens to be America's most famous and revered abolitionist not named Abraham Lincoln.

When white kids destroy statues of Frederick Douglass and run down the street shouting about how n*s don't belong here, that's just a good clean fun prank.

Only when the statues are of actual traitors to the union, and the protestors are - GASP - "leftists", THEN that's a problem and EVERYBODY needs to go to jail.

I don’t think you understand that you are the one being the hypocrite here unless of course you have been making a big deal out of other statues being removed. Did I miss that?
What is there to say?

I think the South are a bunch of retard poor sport losers, with their pathetic statues commemorating traitors who tried and failed to destroy the nation so they could keep trading and whipping and raping and killing slaves.

I also think that knocking over statues of Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt is fucking retarded.

See how easy it is to take a position that isn't completely binary?

also why did you mention black kids removing confederate statues? White kids remove them also and I want the same punishment for both.
No, you don't.

Destroying Confederate statues, you want jail time.

Destroying abolitionist statues while screaming about "n*s", that's a "prank".

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Not destroyed.

I mean it was replaced with a different statue of Frederick Douglass, but......... that's irrelevant.



By "it was returned", do you mean "the cops found it abandoned on the side of the road, a few metres from where it originally stood"?



I love statues too.

I don't want to go home, go to Diamond Harbour or Circular Quay, and see a huge statue dedicated to kissing the ass of a guy who took up arms to destroy the Australian nation and keep my fellow citizens enslaved in chains.



But not people who destroy statues of a black guy who happens to be America's most famous and revered abolitionist not named Abraham Lincoln.

When white kids destroy statues of Frederick Douglass and run down the street shouting about how n*s don't belong here, that's just a good clean fun prank.

Only when the statues are of actual traitors to the union, and the protestors are - GASP - "leftists", THEN that's a problem and EVERYBODY needs to go to jail.



What is there to say?

I think the South are a bunch of retard poor sport losers, with their pathetic statues commemorating traitors who tried to destroy the nation so they could keep trading and whipping slaves.

I also think that knocking over statues of Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt is fucking retarded.

See how easy it is to take a position that isn't completely binary?



No, you don't.

Destroying Confederate statues, you want jail time.

Destroying abolitionist statues while screaming about "n*s", that's a "prank".

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Again I don't know what you want me to say. I don't like anyone tearing down statues no matter what the reason is. In the Douglas case I remember when it happened ( again I have seen the statue ) and I wasn't happy about it. I like looking at the Douglas statues as I go around that city and I think its disrespectful to Douglas fans ( especially black people ) to tear it down. Its no minor act. I was bummed when I learned that the house he lived in when he lived in Rochester is not around anymore. I would have loved to tour it just like I did with Susan B Anthony's house. I think they were charged in the case 2 years ago correct? I think the whole country should get together and make it a serious offense to tear down any statue. I am sure that Republicans would be on board. I am sure Democrats would not. They are not even trying to stop what we are seeing.

I do think that Some confederate Statues should probably be removed but in a rational way. If a right wing person took down this Douglas statue this time I would understand why they did it. If you don't than that's on you.
 
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I would like whoever pulled down the Douglas statue to be punch in the mahthh and then let the law decide what to do with them.

They will be arrested unlike what is happening to a lot of lefties who tear down statues they don't like. The mayor of the Rochester is a black women and a ridiculous race baiter. She won't let this go.
 

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A very good interview with Neil Oliver, a prominent archeologist and historian about the mob removal of statues.