Star Trek, the return of Picard...

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I like it. I shouldn't but I do. It's enjoyable interesting and I like the direction they've taken Picard as a character.

One thing I'm not keen on is the humanisation of the Romulans. It's not in their character but I do like that them and the federation have made a peace, of sorts.
 
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I like it. I shouldn't but I do. It's enjoyable interesting and I like the direction they've taken Picard as a character.

One thing I'm not keen on is the humanisation of the Romulans. It's not in their character but I do like that them and the federation have made a peace, of sorts.
I loved the first episode the next 2 are just OK but they are just assembling his crew, hopefully now we can see the story move on now. .

Agreed about what they've done to Picard, it's an interesting direction to take his character and a believable one based on the original character in TNG.
 

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Not caught the third episode yet. 1st one was watchable, but had a lot going off, way too much going off. Seemed very different world to what I remember from older Star Trek, not in a totally shite Discovery way, but still not quite right. It also had some real dumb shit in that was laughable.

2nd episode had more dumb shit, but was OK. Picard doesn't seem like Picard any more.
 
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Not caught the third episode yet. 1st one was watchable, but had a lot going off, way too much going off. Seemed very different world to what I remember from older Star Trek, not in a totally shite Discovery way, but still not quite right. It also had some real dumb shit in that was laughable.

2nd episode had more dumb shit, but was OK. Picard doesn't seem like Picard any more.
It doesn't feel like TNG or DS9 that's for sure. The thing about these new Star Trek shows is they focus on long plots which are a season long if not longer, it's no longer the episode of the week type of show and that change in format will obviously feel different. What you gain in drama I think they lose in humour which was something I liked about the original shows, there's a definite lack of humour in these new shows, they do tend to take themselves a bit too seriously. I want to the humour when Data misunderstood something, or when they took the mick out of Worf for being so serious, or the banter between Odo and Quark.

Picard has changed but only in that he is older, retired and no longer in Starfleet. But he is still him, in the fact he is upholding the morale code of the Starfleet he served in. That strength of character, nobility and sense of always doing what is right and proper, the core of the character is still very much present in this older Picard.

Yes there was some dumb shit which was unintentionally funny but that was true of the original series and even TNG at times. I'm not 100% convinced yet about this show, I'm still undecided. The next few episodes for me will be telling, they've already given hints as to what maybe the truth to the twin daughters which if it plays out to be what I think, I think will be disappointing as it will be too convoluted and silly to be believable.
 
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It doesn't feel like TNG or DS9 that's for sure. The thing about these new Star Trek shows is they focus on long plots which are a season long if not longer, it's no longer the episode of the week type of show and that change in format will obviously feel different. What you gain in drama I think they lose in humour which was something I liked about the original shows, there's a definite lack of humour in these new shows, they do tend to take themselves a bit too seriously. I want to the humour when Data misunderstood something, or when they took the mick out of Worf for being so serious, or the banter between Odo and Quark.

Picard has changed but only in that he is older, retired and no longer in Starfleet. But he is still him, in the fact he is upholding the morale code of the Starfleet he served in. That strength of character, nobility and sense of always doing what is right and proper, the core of the character is still very much present in this older Picard.

Yes there was some dumb shit which was unintentionally funny but that was true of the original series and even TNG at times. I'm not 100% convinced yet about this show, I'm still undecided. The next few episodes for me will be telling, they've already given hints as to what maybe the truth to the twin daughters which if it plays out to be what I think, I think will be disappointing as it will be too convoluted and silly to be believable.

I'm still very happy to stick with it. Which is a lot for me. I think the positives far outway the negatives so far. I've heard that the show was cut down on the number of episodes it thought it had which explains why several things feel condensed and not quite right. I'm guessing they've had to do away with a few things and had to keep several other things in just so the show still makes sense. I'm not a fan of shameless fan service, but do rather show keep certain big aspects right that doesn't screw over years of cannon. Much like what they got wrong a lot in the recent Star Wars. If they can keep on the right lines with that and sill put forwrd a good story with good rounded new characters I'll be happy.
 
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I'm still very happy to stick with it. Which is a lot for me. I think the positives far outway the negatives so far. I've heard that the show was cut down on the number of episodes it thought it had which explains why several things feel condensed and not quite right. I'm guessing they've had to do away with a few things and had to keep several other things in just so the show still makes sense. I'm not a fan of shameless fan service, but do rather show keep certain big aspects right that doesn't screw over years of cannon. Much like what they got wrong a lot in the recent Star Wars. If they can keep on the right lines with that and sill put forwrd a good story with good rounded new characters I'll be happy.
I agree than keeping things cannon so there's some continuity is important, you have to keep the universe believable through consistency, once you start questioning the universe they've created then you'll just end up looking for holes and flaws in the story telling which ruins it.
 
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Episode 3 was good I thought, I was a bit worried after episode 2 but they got better.

Unless there is a steep drop in quality this show is a lot better than Discovery
 

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It was ok up until episode 3 but the opening scene that explained why Raffi has a 15 year long grudge with Picard was just so stupid and nonsensical. I can''t take a show seriously that has such blatantly abysmal writing. I had to watch the scene twice to make sure i wasn't seeing things.

Ill let Dictor Van Doomcock sum up the absurdity of it .


Another thing , its implied by Raffi living in a shack that she may have fallen on hard times. She even seems upset that Picard is able to live a lavish lifestyle on a wine ranch.
This is absurd as money is non-existant in the Star Trek universe. Everyody lives equally so this shit show Kurtzman is outright breaking canon just so Luc can get a tallking down to by a bame charatcher.
Maybe it will get better but it seems to be anther violaton of the canon like Discovery was so i doubt it. Might pack it in if the next episode is as bad as the 3rd
 
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It was ok up until episode 3 but the opening scene that explained why Raffi has a 15 year long grudge with Picard was just so stupid and nonsensical. I can''t take a show seriously that has such blatantly abysmal writing. I had to watch the scene twice to make sure i wasn't seeing things.

Ill let Dictor Van Doomcock sum up the absurdity of it .


Another thing , its implied by Raffi living in a shack that she may have fallen on hard times. She even seems upset that Picard is able to live a lavish lifestyle on a wine ranch.
This is absurd as money is non-existant in the Star Trek universe. Everyody lives equally so this shit show Kurtzman is outright breaking canon just so Luc can get a tallking down to by a bame charatcher.
Maybe it will get better but it seems to be anther violaton of the canon like Discovery was so i doubt it. Might pack it in if the next episode is as bad as the 3rd
Doomcock is a troll. He literally would never praise any aspect of modern star trek even if it was the best TV ever made.

As far as everyone living equally? Well Picard's family has always owned that vineyard and mansion, meanwhile we have seen Joseph Sisko living in a small flat above his creole restaurant, so that's actually never been the case

I do agree the Raffi backstory was too rushed to be effective, but yeah avoid doomcock and co they will start you hating on things that aren't there.
 
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It was ok up until episode 3 but the opening scene that explained why Raffi has a 15 year long grudge with Picard was just so stupid and nonsensical. I can''t take a show seriously that has such blatantly abysmal writing. I had to watch the scene twice to make sure i wasn't seeing things.

Ill let Dictor Van Doomcock sum up the absurdity of it .


Another thing , its implied by Raffi living in a shack that she may have fallen on hard times. She even seems upset that Picard is able to live a lavish lifestyle on a wine ranch.
This is absurd as money is non-existant in the Star Trek universe. Everyody lives equally so this shit show Kurtzman is outright breaking canon just so Luc can get a tallking down to by a bame charatcher.
Maybe it will get better but it seems to be anther violaton of the canon like Discovery was so i doubt it. Might pack it in if the next episode is as bad as the 3rd
Hate to nit pick, and I'm not sure, but is it true everyone lives equally though? Surely there's still hierarchies, clearly the captain of the ship is more important than the janitor. Also, material posessians are a thing, see vineyard, and if material posessions are a thing, I'm not sure we should be assuming Star Trek is some sort of Communist universe?
 
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Hate to nit pick, and I'm not sure, but is it true everyone lives equally though? Surely there's still hierarchies, clearly the captain of the ship is more important than the janitor. Also, material posessians are a thing, see vineyard, and if material posessions are a thing, I'm not sure we should be assuming Star Trek is some sort of Communist universe?
I've always assumed that federation citizens get some form of UBI, free healthcare etc. Nobody needs to struggle but as already shown on past series, some people still own mansions, some still own normal sized apartments or houses

We know currency exists in the star trek world outside of the federation, we have seen characters like Riker and other Starfleet officers had latinum (currency) from gambling. Which he used to bribe aliens etc. Characters on DS9 had to pay for their drinks and holodeck time with money.
 
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Hate to nit pick, and I'm not sure, but is it true everyone lives equally though? Surely there's still hierarchies, clearly the captain of the ship is more important than the janitor. Also, material posessians are a thing, see vineyard, and if material posessions are a thing, I'm not sure we should be assuming Star Trek is some sort of Communist universe?
Yeah they never really went into great detail as to how the "no money" system really worked. Yes human's no longer needed money and it wasn't the main driving force or motivator for the human race but then that doesn't explain characters in TNG like Vash who was a human archaeologist Picard met on Risa who sought out artifacts for personal profit. So clearly money was a motivator still for some humans, which would suggest not everybody lived the same and as you say they may have been hierarchies.
 

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Yeah they never really went into great detail as to how the "no money" system really worked. Yes human's no longer needed money and it wasn't the main driving force or motivator for the human race but then that doesn't explain characters in TNG like Vash who was a human archaeologist Picard met on Risa who sought out artifacts for personal profit. So clearly money was a motivator still for some humans, which would suggest not everybody lived the same and as you say they may have been hierarchies.
Vash had nothing to do with the Fedaration. She may as well have been a Klingon. Appartnently Raffi was no.1 to Picard , same as Riker was. Different values for a SF officer than a rouge misfit in the outer quadrants.
 
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Doomcock is a troll. He literally would never praise any aspect of modern star trek even if it was the best TV ever made.

As far as everyone living equally? Well Picard's family has always owned that vineyard and mansion, meanwhile we have seen Joseph Sisko living in a small flat above his creole restaurant, so that's actually never been the case

I do agree the Raffi backstory was too rushed to be effective, but yeah avoid doomcock and co they will start you hating on things that aren't there.
Equally may have been the worng description but Raffi basicaly commented negatively on his privilage. Thats not behaviour you are meant to witness within the Fedaration. It wouldn't make sense to explore how things worked without currency so it was rightly glossed over for the sake of presenting the vison in Rodenburys head.
 
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Huge Trekkie here. TNG was the perfect sequel to TOS and the characters were different enough to make it feel completely fresh.

Also fun trivia Picard wore a wig in early filming and it almost didn't get made.....

But I digress. After TNG it got bad and became infused with leftist politics. I mean yes TNG was leftist politically but it was generally done in a somewhat grounded manner and to show the potential goodness of mankind.

But then by Voyager it just got retarded politically and story wise. Janeway refusing to destroy the Borg even though, you know, they've wiped out thousands of species for the LOLZ.....

Or dinosaurs developing warp drive and leaving earth......(yes, that happened).

I couldn't watch enterprise but I read it sucked early but the last series was apparently amazing.




All this said I actually liked Discovery and look forwards to series 3 but I don't regard it as ST cannon and that helps me digest it's outlandish storyline.

Overlord DVD has some pretty scathing stuff on Picard so I don't know. He can be a troller sometimes so I take what he says with a dash of saltiness.

Let's see.....
I wouldn't pay Doomcock any heed, he's trapped in the center of the earth and thus of no consequence.

Hold on, there's a knock at my door........
 
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Vash had nothing to do with the Fedaration. She may as well have been a Klingon. Appartnently Raffi was no.1 to Picard , same as Riker was. Different values for a SF officer than a rouge misfit in the outer quadrants.
Hmm I don't recall when it suggested she was a Klingon, which episode was that? If anything she seemed more Ferengi in nature with her desire for profit.

As for not being a part of the federation, well she was kind of, she was a former member of the Daystrom institute and in her second appearance in TNG she was attended the annual Federation of Archaeology Council symposium, so clearly her ties to the federation were not completely cut.

It's clear the idea that not all of humanity lived without the desire for money and not everyone had the same level of lifestyle even within the Federation. Also money did exist in the Federation, you had Federation credits for those off world dealing with other races that still used money.
 
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