Sugar Ray Robinson was a psyop

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"Greatest P4P" was a term coined in SRR's day as a promotion. Just as Ali's "The Greatest" is repeated over and over as a mantra. Now when asked who's the greatest? People say Ali, When asked who was greatest P4P people automatically say Robinson.
Robinson had a fabricated undefeated amateur record in which he lost at least one (Billy Graham, possibly more) and got the losses recorded under Walker Smith Jr amateur record. He beat Willie Pep in the ams as he was way over peps size, not even sure why it was allowed. Steered clear of tough international amateurs he never competed in the olympics. His management was more interested in racking up the numbers in the SRR win column.


Robinson padded his early record by fighting ham and eggers, slow of foot plodders and journeymen. Beat much smaller lightweight champ Sammy Argott 3 times and former champs Henry Armstrong and Fritzie Zivic. Building fame over former smaller and over the hill champions. Lightweight Argott went the distance 3 times, where was Robinson's vaulted punching power against this smaller past-prime fighter?

Knocked down by light-punching pug Mitsos Grispos, and more capable, but still light punchers Artie Levine, Tommy Bell, Rocky Castellani and Jake Lamotta. Lost to his middleweight title to Carmin Basilio when Basilio stepped up to the middleweight for the first time.
Carmin beat the bigger man, why isn't he called "the best PP4"?

Anyway, yeah Jones, Hagler, Monson and Hearns would have crushed him.
 
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"Greatest P4P" was a term coined in SRR's day as a promotion. Just as Ali's "The Greatest" is repeated over and over as a mantra. Now when asked who's the greatest? People say Ali, When asked who was greatest P4P people automatically say Robinson.
Robinson had a fabricated undefeated amateur record in which he lost at least one (Billy Graham, possibly more) and got the losses recorded under Walker Smith Jr amateur record. He beat Willie Pep in the ams as he was way over peps size, not even sure why it was allowed. Steered clear of tough international amateurs he never competed in the olympics. His management was more interested in racking up the numbers in the SRR win column.


Robinson padded his early record by fighting ham and eggers, slow of foot plodders and journeymen. Beat much smaller lightweight champ Sammy Argott 3 times and former champs Henry Armstrong and Fritzie Zivic. Building fame over former smaller and over the hill champions. Lightweight Argott went the distance 3 times, where was Robinson's vaulted punching power against this smaller past-prime fighter?

Knocked down by light-punching pug Mitsos Grispos, and more capable, but still light punchers Artie Levine, Tommy Bell, Rocky Castellani and Jake Lamotta. Lost to his middleweight title to Carmin Basilio when Basilio stepped up to the middleweight for the first time.
Carmin beat the bigger man, why isn't he called "the best PP4"?

Anyway, yeah Jones, Hagler, Monson and Hearns would have crushed him.
Nice plagiarism of an old boxrec thread.
 

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Jones glass chinned protected bum
Monzon lost to 3 bums in his first 15
Hagler got schooled by a blown up blind retired welter
Hearns-see Jones
 
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Jones glass chinned protected bum
Monzon lost to 3 bums in his first 15
Hagler got schooled by a blown up blind retired welter
Hearns-see Jones
So are you saying none of them should be called the best P4P for the next 1000 years? That's what you are saying right?
 

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So are you saying none of them should be called the best P4P for the next 1000 years? That's what you are saying right?
No.
I am saying its easy to pick apart anyone’s resume if you are agenda driven-in contrxt to your opening post.
 
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No.
I am saying its easy to pick apart anyone’s resume if you are agenda driven-in contrxt to your opening post.
Yes, so how come they pick a name out of the hat and have everyone repeat the manta? I'm just aware of mind control used to form opinion
and then the targeted public thinks it's their own opinion. Such is the result of indoctrination.
 

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Yes, so how come they pick a name out of the hat and have everyone repeat the manta? I'm just aware of mind control used to form opinion
and then the targeted public thinks it's their own opinion. Such is the result of indoctrination.
Or maybe you should respect other people’s opinion more.
 
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It's obviously very subjective trying to rate boxers, particularly across weight divisions and eras.

Who is better, Jimmy Wilde or Lennox Lewis? The variance in rules, training, conditions, culture, etc, and the different demand of the two divisions, and lack of shared opponents make it extremely difficult to make direct comparisons.

SRR however is clearly a very gifted boxer, great record, loads of good wins and passes the eye test in the limited footage available, (and that is when he is no longer at his best) . There are also lots of respected sources from the time who extol his virtues.

It's not like they have picked a bum, or someone who carries some obvious propoganda power, or marketing value that "they" are benefitting from.

I do agree however that a lot of people will be repeating this opinion who didn't see him live, haven't watched the publically available footage, or researched his career with any rigour.

But they're probably still correct despite that. He was a great fighter after all.