~ T:E:N:N:I:S - Zverev reaches World Tour Finals glory, Djokovic finishes as no1 ~

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it's hard to not like osaka.

it's a basic pattern of tennis that a chick wins first slam, does photoshoots and relaxes a bit, then barely wins a match for 6 months.

osaka won hers, was super classy, and has barely lost a point this week (slight exageration - 64%, 55% and 64% all vs top 30 lvl players)
Great return performance, can she finish it with the trophy? Pliskova will be a good test.

For me the big question is how she'll perform at the next couple of slam (and the year-end finals). Ostapenko did okay at Wimbledon last year and this, but fell short of expectations otherwise. Bencic, Stephens, Ostapenko, Osaka, Pliskova, Svitolina, Kasatkina, Muguruza - either pressure and mental midgetry or injury and physical toll, but so far neither of these very talented young women stayed consistent.

So we end up with these Halep, Woznicaki type of mentally strong, well-conditioned grinders at the top. They won a slam, fair enough, but after how many years of getting spanked by a talent at some point? An Ostapenko or Osaka doesn't need a fair draw to win it all when they are on fire, and I wish this young generation to find consistency and have some great rivalries between them, which is currently lacking. So far they perform then they lose to B- level all over the place, which is why my ATP : WTA ratio is like 8 : 2.
 
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Great return performance, can she finish it with the trophy? Pliskova will be a good test.

For me the big question is how she'll perform at the next couple of slam (and the year-end finals). Ostapenko did okay at Wimbledon last year and this, but fell short of expectations otherwise. Bencic, Stephens, Ostapenko, Osaka, Pliskova, Svitolina, Kasatkina, Muguruza - either pressure and mental midgetry or injury and physical toll, but so far neither of these very talented young women stayed consistent.

So we end up with these Halep, Woznicaki type of mentally strong, well-conditioned grinders at the top. They won a slam, fair enough, but after how many years of getting spanked by a talent at some point? An Ostapenko or Osaka doesn't need a fair draw to win it all when they are on fire, and I wish this young generation to find consistency and have some great rivalries between them, which is currently lacking. So far they perform then they lose to B- level all over the place, which is why my ATP : WTA ratio is like 8 : 2.
she's 1.52 for that match atm, prob a bit short. pliskova's form is slowly going up imo. not planning to bet against her tho.

she'll have expectations to live up to in slams now, maybe still a bit unfounded away from hard courts in my mind. she's not bad on grass but it was quite easy to see the scenario where barty beat her in 1 of the pre wimbledon events, and that is a different match on a hard court.

one player we haven't mentioned on this thread is sabalenka, she only just lost to osaka in the us open and has control over her power too. maybe she won't do anything else this year tho because she has played a lot this season.
 
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Great return performance, can she finish it with the trophy? Pliskova will be a good test.

For me the big question is how she'll perform at the next couple of slam (and the year-end finals). Ostapenko did okay at Wimbledon last year and this, but fell short of expectations otherwise. Bencic, Stephens, Ostapenko, Osaka, Pliskova, Svitolina, Kasatkina, Muguruza - either pressure and mental midgetry or injury and physical toll, but so far neither of these very talented young women stayed consistent.

So we end up with these Halep, Woznicaki type of mentally strong, well-conditioned grinders at the top. They won a slam, fair enough, but after how many years of getting spanked by a talent at some point? An Ostapenko or Osaka doesn't need a fair draw to win it all when they are on fire, and I wish this young generation to find consistency and have some great rivalries between them, which is currently lacking. So far they perform then they lose to B- level all over the place, which is why my ATP : WTA ratio is like 8 : 2.
I feel like Ostapenko caught lightening in a bottle and will never become a consistently great player.

Osaka is something different...
 
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I feel like Ostapenko caught lightening in a bottle and will never become a consistently great player.

Osaka is something different...
It all depends if she can steady that winner crunching machine. She can produce unplayable balls from all court positions, and true, takes incredible chances. Yet she has excellent point construction and court IQ, so a little more patience and consistency in rallies can set up less risky finishing blows. Perhaps she's a Kvitova rather than a Kerber, but she's so young, there's plenty of room and time for mental grow. At least I hope there is. Girls killing it for one slam then disappearing is a little sad.
 

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And the battle for the no1 men's ranking is ON next week in Paris. Luckily for Rafa, Federer and Djokovic are drawn into the same half. Better yet, Novak likely opens vs. Ceccinato (who beat him at the French) followed by young prospect Tsitsipas (only man who beat him these past months), then Cilic (beat him at Queens) and Federer (just won Bazel) before Rafa. Well that's some way to deal with your demons. :lol:

Of course Novak can only possibly unseat Rafa for a week or so, whoever outshines the field in London (that includes Federer) will walk away with the year-end top ranking. Who's hungry enough?!
 

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Djokovic goes from no22 to no1 in record 4 months!



With the unfortunate withdrawal of Nadal, though Novak very much on track to secure the no1 ranking in Paris anyway, Djokovic has became the top player for the moment. The battle is far from being over as Federer can still snatch the no1 ranking from his arch rivals with a great showing in Paris and London, and winning the WTF would probably see Rafa closing 2018 at the top, depending on his rivals. Current form considering, odds favor Novak however for final glory.

And what a remarkable turn-around, as Djokovic was considering skipping Wimbledon and perhaps the year after Roland Garros. And he all of the sudden 2 slams and thousands of ranking points in the bag, and from shocking losses in succession, now he's sitting on top.

This is a tough sport on the body though, clearly none of the top 4 plus neither Wawrinka or Del Potro were at 100% for even half a year, but at the end, all the calendar points add up, and Novak pulling ahead just shows his fighting spirit. Now go on my man, and finish strong! Cilic will be looking for a good battle for his WTF spot.
 

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Damn what a thriller between Federer and Djokovic, worthy of a WTF final. Federer was at his best this side of the year and somehow miraculously saved a dozen break points vs. a top form Djokovic. Very close but too good in the end by Mr. Novak.



Interesting match today. Khachanov looks unstoppable and Djokovic had this 3 hour match yesterday, possible upset money to grap.
 

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Enjoyed the match yesterday between Novak and Fed. It was close but only because of Novaks inability to take his chances. he had plenty. Credit to Fed for battling through his services though. Up there with Fed v Del Potro at IW for quality in masters.

Year end number one for Nole incredible form since Rome this year winning some incredible matches. Confidence has returned. For me again its not even his incredible consistent depth, return or redirection of pace which we all know about but his 1st serve. His second can still be shaky but he gets so many free points which he will need more and more.

A note on Rafa, he has played just 9 events this year and withdrawn from 2 of them. His consistent results have been incredible keeping him so high his worst placing this yr has been a quarter final.

His condition on hardcourt is getting worse and worse. He can only play sparingly on this surface now. Knee tendinitis can be managed but its always there

Since Shanghai 2017. Paris withdraw, London finals withdraw. 2018 AO retired, Acapulco forfeit, IW forfeit, Miami forfeit, US Open retired, Beijing forfeit, Shanghai forfeit, Paris withdraw and soon to be announced London withdraw.
 
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What a break point late in the set by Karen. Incredible explosion cross on the backhand by Novak yet he hung in there and drew the error from Nole in the forecourt. Serves for the set. Very tight so far. Has he got the belief to beat the great champions though?
 
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Interesting match today. Khachanov looks unstoppable and Djokovic had this 3 hour match yesterday, possible upset money to grab.
this :lol:

Novak looked spent and Khacanov was very sharp today. Good future for him, tall guy with nice movement, excellent serve, forehand on fire, penetrating backhand, good accuracy. I've seen him live last year and he's much improved, he's soon into top10 and if he keeps up with the good stuff he'll be a title threat anywhere. Good solid, positive attitude tool.

And now we head to London, who will be rested enough to give his best? Will Nadal grab the year-end no1 title or Djokovic can gather enough points to seal the deal? Good stuff to end an eventful year. And good to have new faces picking up Masters!
 

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Enjoyed the match yesterday between Novak and Fed. It was close but only because of Novaks inability to take his chances. he had plenty. Credit to Fed for battling through his services though. Up there with Fed v Del Potro at IW for quality in masters.

Year end number one for Nole incredible form since Rome this year winning some incredible matches. Confidence has returned. For me again its not even his incredible consistent depth, return or redirection of pace which we all know about but his 1st serve. His second can still be shaky but he gets so many free points which he will need more and more.

A note on Rafa, he has played just 9 events this year and withdrawn from 2 of them. His consistent results have been incredible keeping him so high his worst placing this yr has been a quarter final.

His condition on hardcourt is getting worse and worse. He can only play sparingly on this surface now. Knee tendinitis can be managed but its always there

Since Shanghai 2017. Paris withdraw, London finals withdraw. 2018 AO retired, Acapulco forfeit, IW forfeit, Miami forfeit, US Open retired, Beijing forfeit, Shanghai forfeit, Paris withdraw and soon to be announced London withdraw.
I think Rafa's saving his form for London, which is why he chose to train rather than compete. Still, he looks far more comfortable nowadays on clay as you say, hard court is a little too tough on his body.

Interested to see how healthy Novak will be, I think there was some right knee pain from a bad stop early 1st set. The WTF only makes sense if the field is healthy and Delpo's already out, Thiem looks spent, Cilic not as good as mid-year, which is why I always said the year-end championship should actually be a year-starter in January.
 

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I think Rafa's saving his form for London, which is why he chose to train rather than compete. Still, he looks far more comfortable nowadays on clay as you say, hard court is a little too tough on his body.

Interested to see how healthy Novak will be, I think there was some right knee pain from a bad stop early 1st set. The WTF only makes sense if the field is healthy and Delpo's already out, Thiem looks spent, Cilic not as good as mid-year, which is why I always said the year-end championship should actually be a year-starter in January.
Before the Aussie Open?
 

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I think Rafa's saving his form for London, which is why he chose to train rather than compete. Still, he looks far more comfortable nowadays on clay as you say, hard court is a little too tough on his body.

Interested to see how healthy Novak will be, I think there was some right knee pain from a bad stop early 1st set. The WTF only makes sense if the field is healthy and Delpo's already out, Thiem looks spent, Cilic not as good as mid-year, which is why I always said the year-end championship should actually be a year-starter in January.
Nadal may make an appearance but I'd rather he just end his season now and prepare for 2018 properly. Last year it cost him the early season.

Karen played well today first masters 1000 title for him. Novak was tired today.

 
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Welcome back to #1, Novak Djokovic! So here are the rankings:

1 N. Djokovic 8045
2 R. Nadal 7480
3 R. Federer 6020
4 J. del Potro 5300
5 A. Zverev 5085
6 K. Anderson 4310
7 M. Čilić 4050
8 D. Thiem 3895
9 K. Nishikori 3390
10 J. Isner 3155

-Del Potro is unfortunately out so Nishikori takes his place in London with Isner being reserve.
-Federer is out of the no1 race but if he wins it all, that could help Novak's case to remain no1, who's 565 pts ahead of Nadal
-if both Nole and Rafa reach the final undefeated, Nole's no1 no matter of the outcome
-if both lose a RR match but meet in the final, Nole's no1
-if both lose in the semis, Nole's no1
-if both fail to advance to the SFs, Nole's no1

So Rafa preferably needs to win it all and not see Nole in the finals or beat him there and see him lose a RR match and he's no1. If Rafa wins 3 matches and Nole 0, he's no1. If he wins 4 matches and Nole only 2, he's no1. Other possibilities are out there as well, but with Khachanov winning yesterday and Federer playing so good a day before, there's some excitement and uncertainty at the top.
 

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Djokovic got past Isner in the other half while Zverev edged Cilic in close 2, the two winners will face in an exciting match tomorrow.

Up next LIVE is Federer however, and he must win today vs. Thiem, favored handsomely to do so. In the other match Anderson utterly trashed Nishikor to 6/0 6/1, surprising domination (didn't catch it, is Nishi okay?), and Federer will have his hands full with the South African Hard Hitter. But first things first, Dominic.