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Hoshi

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Munich, Washington, Madrid, and now London titles for Zverev well done. Now go deep at the majors.

Beat arguably the greatest indoor player of all time for the title. YE #4 striking distance of Fed especially with him defending 2000 in January.

 
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BigBone

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Munich, Washington, Madrid, and London titles for Zverev well done
Actually, midway through the year Zverev looked like he's one slam title away from possibly finishing as no1. At that time he was like 3rd and Djokovic out of top 20. Now Nole has a considerable lead and since Federer defends AO and Nadal a huge amount of clay court points, Novak's chances are good at remaining no1 up until Wimbledon. But he's showing fatigue at the tail-end of tournaments and it could hurt his chances next year. As brilliant as he was all week, today must come down to running out of juice and that's more likely to happen at two-week, best-of-five events.

Djokovic is at 9000 pts, Rafa at 7500, Roger & Zverev around 6400. Zacha has plenty of points to grab at slams, so who knows... this might be the point where he starts building his case. He was a mental midget just days ago, but beating Federer and Djokovic in 4 straight sets sounds like the kind of breakthrough that could translate into slam glory. His problem always was mental at best-of-five. I'd like to think he's more than this generation's Nalbandian. We'll see.
 
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Hoshi

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Actually, midway through the year Zverev looked like he's one slam title away from possibly finishing as no1. At that time he was like 3rd and Djokovic out of top 20. Now Nole has a considerable lead and since Federer defends AO and Nadal a huge amount of clay court points, Novak's chances are good at remaining no1 up until Wimbledon. But he's showing fatigue at the tail-end of tournaments and it could hurt his chances next year. As brilliant as he was all week, today must come down to running out of juice and that's more likely to happen at two-week, best-of-five events.

Djokovic is at 9000 pts, Rafa at 7500, Roger & Zverev around 6400. Zacha has plenty of points to grab at slams, so who knows... this might be the point where he starts building his case. He was a mental midget just days ago, but beating Federer and Djokovic in 4 straight sets sounds like the kind of breakthrough that could translate into slam glory. His problem always was mental at best-of-five. I'd like to think he's more than this generation's Nalbandian. We'll see.
Feel bad for Rafa this year in a way 1 500, 3 masters & 1 major. Just 4 defeats with two being retirements. The best win % on tour. Injured again.

Incredible he has the total he has despite just 9 tournaments. That Wimbledon semi. The closest match they have ever played, on indoor grass too. A joy to watch. If he can recover well I'm very optimistic about his chances on all surfaces. He was incredible this year.

Novak should keep the ranking until Wimbledon even if Rafa goes nuts on the clay again. Both can gain points on the early hardcourt events. Novak could pass Fed in weeks at number one. But you can never think too far ahead in this sport.

 
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BigBone

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Feel bad for Rafa this year in a way 1 500, 3 masters & 1 major. Just 4 defeats with two being retirements. The best win % on tour. Injured again.

Incredible he has the total he has despite just 9 tournaments. That Wimbledon semi. The closest match they have ever played, on indoor grass too. A joy to watch. If he can recover well I'm very optimistic about his chances on all surfaces. He was incredible this year.

Novak shold keep the ranking until Wimbedon even if Rafa goes nuts on the clay again. Both can gain points on the early hardcourt events.
Yeah, that's a pity. The biggest pain point in Rafa's career and his GOAT chase IMO was his inability to convert his all-physical game into something like 50% muscle, 50% skill. He introduced the slice and net game around 2008, and became a devastating player for years, but he didn't ease off his body that much, thus having these unfortunate injuries.

I was actually about to bring back the GOAT debate between the big three, I mean Novak's form up until today - two more years of this, and he has the slam, masters & H2H records to walk into the no1 sunset. But that's questionable at best after today. I give great significance how one's able to reinvent his game as time goes by, I mean compare SRR and RJJr past 30: one added tools, the other lasted as long as his freakish abilities. It's incredible how Federer introduced his move-forward approach a couple of years back when he was already written off, and look at him: no1 ranking and slam win in 2018.

Djokovic had his ground strokes and BH DTL in 2008, then added a more potent serve and a game-changing BH cross-court in 2011. Then he reinvented his forehand in 2014 and started to shorten rallies by coming to the net. Then this year he's gone to the drawing board and actually learnt to serve again: different racket, different toss, less complexity, barely any jump, less elbow and wrist in it. Watching him serve this week and one could say precise serving is back in a power-oriented tennis.

These are signs for me of a student of the game that adopts to the different physical stages of his career, while bringing the big time results. On the other hand, not able to bring his top form into the Queens, Paris & WTF finals, and actually being below 80% in the Wimbledon, USO finals (Anderson and Del Potro were just more physically compromised), I'm not sure today about Nole's possible GOAT chances as I was yesterday... It's just damn hard to do this level consistently above 30, and so far Federer is the only one to do it so well.

Getting back to Nadal, what a great clay court season this year! But you could see the writing on the wall: he put as much physical effort into those titles as 10 years before, and his body is just that more fatigued today. I wish he could significantly change his service motion to convert much of the spin game into flat shots hitting the lines, but that never quite worked out, did it? It's a shame, but Rafa's, Nole's and Andy's struggles past 30 come down to the fact that they are just too physical for longevity. Perhaps it's Federer's easy play that retains his GOAT status... If he can make one more push, no questions needed. But can Rafa or Nole have 2 more fit and fresh years to change all that? Time's running out....
 
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Really feel for him. Fantastic career.
Yeah, gutting for him. Fantastic player who would have won more in any other era, but came up against Djok, Federer and Nadal, the top 3 players ever. He still came away with 3 GS titles and was runner up in many. So unlucky to get an injury of this type.
 

ant-man

Opticians rob you blind.
Jun 11, 2014
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TBE in the UK. Fabulous work ethic and I used to like watching him grind the other guy down with that ultra defensive style.

Sad ending but inevitable. Pro athletes all pay the price eventually. He put over 3 stones of muscle onto his natural frame in order to compete at the highest level. Joint issues aren't really surprising.

Done well for a mummy's boy and is very popular on the circuit. Being a feminist has helped him get the female vote too. Even that old hag Billy Jean likes him. :yep
 
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Isner still the highest rated American tennis player. How sad is that. We had Agassi and Sampras at the same time. Now we have....Isner. We even had Roddick, the poor bastard. Now we have Isner.
 

steviebruno

CHB NYC Delegate
Jun 5, 2013
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Serena was about to win the match, up 5-1 in the final set, then she blew out her ankle and lost 7-5
The point after being called for a foot fault, after not being called for a foot fault the entire match. Who on earth is staring at someone's feet in a 5-1 set, serving 40-15, hoping to call a fault?

It's just a shame what they keep doing to this young lady. I'm glad that I don't live and die with sports anymore...
 

kf3

Jul 17, 2012
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serena was much better than last year. pliskova/osaka/kvitova(maybe) was always going to be a tough run of matches.

future looking alright for american tennis imo. no replacing serena but collins is the suprise semifinalist, she isn't spectacular but she's solid at a high level and fights for everything. anisimova is crazy spectacular and her beating sabalenka was the best performance by anyone so far, but she played bad and got blown out by kvitova the next round.
 

DB Cooper

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serena was much better than last year. pliskova/osaka/kvitova(maybe) was always going to be a tough run of matches.

future looking alright for american tennis imo. no replacing serena but collins is the suprise semifinalist, she isn't spectacular but she's solid at a high level and fights for everything. anisimova is crazy spectacular and her beating sabalenka was the best performance by anyone so far, but she played bad and got blown out by kvitova the next round.
Switched on the TV and Serena had match point. About 7 points later she had lost.

That green outfit Serena has been wearing is absolutely horrendous.
 
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steviebruno

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I'm guessing the same people who are staring at their feet at 15-15 in the first game...I didn't realise that on match points the rules suddenly change- thanks for that.
Seems odd that Serena only foot faulted that one point in the match, no? Weird to make a borderline call like that at the very end of a match, no? A bit strange that it has happened more than once to the same person, no?

Thanks for being ignorant. Guess this was just so obvious it needed to be called...

https://wwos.nine.com.au/tennis/australian-open-serena-williams-foot-fault-match-point-controversy-karolina-pliskova/384d5a26-659b-440c-bb00-aa0a84836838
 
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Seems odd that Serena only foot faulted that one point in the match, no? Weird to make a borderline call like that at the very end of a match, no? A bit strange that it has happened more than once to the same person, no?

Thanks for being ignorant.

Didn't see it. Was it a borderline call or was it clear? Were there other points that were similar involving the same linesperson were it wasn't called?