~ TENNIS: Djokovic now Covid free, ATP resumes in August, French Open with 60% attendance ~

BigBone

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You don't have to be white to be a white knight. It's an Internet term for people who defend others online.

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It's origins are supposedly to do with a French description of lancelot.
What's next, white knights matter too? Stop being racist just because the internet is, I thought you were above that, brother! :sad
 
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What's next, white nights matter too? Stop being racist just because the internet is, I thought you were above that, brother! :sad
You're the racist. Claiming only white people can be white knights. BAME people can do any job a white person can, even being a knight.

 
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Were social distancing measures enacted at any of these events? How is this at all similar to the other tennis events being played right now, where there aren't any spectators and no morons jumping around in nightclubs?

To find COVID in Serbia, Novak and crew had to go out and actively seek it. Well, mission accomplished. Maybe the US Open would be safer if he wasn't there...
 

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Were social distancing measures enacted at any of these events?
Um yes obviously? Many of these events had mandatory distancing to a point that's possible for competition, and Covid still spread. That's cause for one, you don't wear masks and gloves during match and even tennis players walk into each others, ball boys and umpires cloud of breath, and get infected. But then there's training, workout, massage and food, and you know what's missing? Space and time at any given location to have proper hazmat-suit virus clean-up every time after an athlete, a coach or an official took a shit, ate a steak, got a massage or used a treadmill, rubbed it off... starting to get the problem? Covid does not co-oparate, not with Serbia and not with US-level rules.

But easily getting Covid inside a US sports events evident by the dozens of cases I've just linked is half the story, and u & Bob keep ignoring the other: those 5000 involved in a major event over two weeks are off location 22 hours a day, which means they can get Covid anywhere else when not under strict surveillance.

  • Federer goes to restaurant with improperly cleaned air conditioning and gets Covid
  • Umpire visits grandma and gets Covid her care-taker brought in
  • Kyrgios smashes a tranny and gets HIV... also Covid
  • Novak hits local hotel bar at midnight following local Covid rules like he did in Serbia, drinks from improperly cleaned glass and gets Covid
  • Svitolina takes cab with improperly cleaned seats and gets Covid
  • Nadal takes a steroid needle I mean a walk in the park, runner passes him breathing out virus and gets Covid
  • Thiem goes though 3 airports, sits in 8 cabs and on 3 airlines just to get from home to US hotel and has two dozen opportunities to contact with Covid
  • cleaning lady takes the metro, gets Covid, coughs after cleaning up and leaves Covid at location
  • cook spreads Covid over hotel / location / restaurant food
There won't be daily tests for 5000 with instant results (which doesn't stop spread mind you), nor hourly hazmat-suit, virus-level cleaning in hotels, cabs, airplanes, airports, restaurants, gyms, toilets, massage rooms, press rooms, hotel rooms, hotel bars, swimming pools, lifts and all the stops I've been talking about (which would still only partially stop spread). And sry, but even with some Covid rules and cleaning, Covid is spreading on French streets, US & Serbian sport events, German butcheries, UK hotels etc. Covid don't give a fuck mate.
 
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Um yes obviously? Many of these events had mandatory distancing to a point that's possible for competition, and Covid still spread. That's cause for one, you don't wear masks and gloves during match and even tennis players walk into each others, ball boys and umpires cloud of breath, and get infected. But then there's training, workout, massage and food, and you know what's missing? Space and time at any given location to have proper hazmat-suit virus clean-up every time after an athlete, a coach or an official took a shit, ate a steak, got a massage or used a treadmill, rubbed it off... starting to get the problem? Covid does not co-oparate, not with Serbia and not with US-level rules.

But easily getting Covid inside a US sports events evident by the dozens of cases I've just linked is half the story, and u & Bob keep ignoring the other: those 5000 involved in a major event over two weeks are off location 22 hours a day, which means they can get Covid anywhere else when not under strict surveillance.

  • Federer goes to restaurant with improperly cleaned air conditioning and gets Covid
  • Umpire visits grandma and gets Covid her care-taker brought in
  • Kyrgios smashes a tranny and gets HIV... also Covid
  • Novak hits local hotel bar at midnight following local Covid rules like he did in Serbia, drinks from improperly cleaned glass and gets Covid
  • Svitolina takes cab with improperly cleaned seats and gets Covid
  • Nadal takes a steroid needle I mean a walk in the park, runner passes him breathing out virus and gets Covid
  • Thiem goes though 3 airports, sits in 8 cabs and on 3 airlines just to get from home to US hotel and has two dozen opportunities to contact with Covid
  • cleaning lady takes the metro, gets Covid, coughs after cleaning up and leaves Covid at location
  • cook spreads Covid over hotel / location / restaurant food
There won't be daily tests for 5000 with instant results (which doesn't stop spread mind you), nor hourly hazmat-suit, virus-level cleaning in hotels, cabs, airplanes, airports, restaurants, gyms, toilets, massage rooms, press rooms, hotel rooms, hotel bars, swimming pools, lifts and all the stops I've been talking about (which would still only partially stop spread). And sry, but even with some Covid rules and cleaning, Covid is spreading on French streets, US & Serbian sport events, German butcheries, UK hotels etc. Covid don't give a fuck mate.
djokovic's event had fuck all protection for fans, staff or competitors.
there were full stands with no social distancing and no masks, then a bunch of players the went to the club.
pro sports that are running without crowds and with actual protections are not experiencing anything like you say above.
 
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djokovic's event had fuck all protection for fans, staff or competitors.
there were full stands with no social distancing and no masks, then a bunch of players the went to the club.
pro sports that are running without crowds and with actual protections are not experiencing anything like you say above.
This' getting boring, repetitive and pointless to reply. There never was a Covid outbreak in Serbia, the total official numbers indicate ppl. who brought it in had limited impact with the curve flattened by Adria Tour came, an open event under sunlight that cripples spread according to data. Daily infection and death rates were low when Serbian authorities (and not Djokovic) eased restrictions and allowed crowds, and dozens of other countries did the same. We did it in Hungary, and there's no indication of any significant negative downturn over the past full month despite testing ramping up.

While data doesn't support that Adria Tour served as a crowd outbreak, it indicates that someone brought Covid in from outside in with limited impact affecting famous ppl. that made headlines (Dimitrov was the first reported?). Surely, hugs and parties are problematic I agree with that, but then again: was allowed by authorities based on data and unfortunately it's NOT far worse than sweating, breathing hard and sharing the same air with droplets during sports competition. I've showed US sports data supporting this, despite best efforts. Also added the problem of the 22 hours a day outside of competition where you can get Covid - in the US probably 100 times more likely than in Serbia based on daily Covid data.
  • Federer goes to US restaurant with improperly cleaned air conditioning and gets Covid
  • Umpire visits grandma and gets Covid her care-taker brought in
  • Kyrgios smashes a tranny and gets HIV... also Covid
  • Novak hits local hotel bar at midnight following local Covid rules like he did in Serbia, drinks from improperly cleaned glass and gets Covid
  • Svitolina takes cab with improperly cleaned seats and gets Covid
  • Nadal takes a steroid needle I mean a walk in the park, runner passes him breathing out virus and gets Covid
  • Thiem goes though 3 airports, sits in 8 cabs and on 3 airlines just to get from home to US hotel and has two dozen opportunities to contact with Covid
  • cleaning lady takes the metro, gets Covid, coughs after cleaning up and leaves Covid at location
  • cook spreads Covid over hotel / location / restaurant food
Any opinion criticizing Djokovic then suggesting that the US Open is in for a fun, Covid-free experience is utterly preposterous and spits in the face of factual data and that Covid don't really give a fuck. There's no distancing and masking during play nor the level of cleaning for that many ppl. over hotels, cab rides, airplanes, airports, restaurants, gyms, toilets, massage rooms, press rooms, hotel rooms, hotel bars, swimming pools or lifts.

I BET ANYONE that by the US Open is done, far more athletes and officials will be infected than the limited numbers in Adria Tour. US sport events support this.
 
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This' getting boring, repetitive and pointless to reply. There never was a Covid outbreak in Serbia, the total official numbers indicate ppl. who brought it in had limited impact with the curve flattened by Adria Tour came, an open event under sunlight that cripples spread according to data. Daily infection and death rates were low when Serbian authorities (and not Djokovic) eased restrictions and allowed crowds, and dozens of other countries did the same. We did it in Hungary, and there's no indication of any significant negative downturn over the past full month despite testing ramping up.

While data doesn't support that Adria Tour served as a crowd outbreak, it indicates that someone brought Covid in from outside in with limited impact affecting famous ppl. that made headlines (Dimitrov was the first reported?). Surely, hugs and parties are problematic I agree with that, but then again: was allowed by authorities based on data and unfortunately it's NOT far worse than sweating, breathing hard and sharing the same air with droplets during sports competition. I've showed US sports data supporting this, despite best efforts. Also added the problem of the 22 hours a day outside of competition where you can get Covid - in the US probably 100 times more likely than in Serbia based on daily Covid data.
  • Federer goes to US restaurant with improperly cleaned air conditioning and gets Covid
  • Umpire visits grandma and gets Covid her care-taker brought in
  • Kyrgios smashes a tranny and gets HIV... also Covid
  • Novak hits local hotel bar at midnight following local Covid rules like he did in Serbia, drinks from improperly cleaned glass and gets Covid
  • Svitolina takes cab with improperly cleaned seats and gets Covid
  • Nadal takes a steroid needle I mean a walk in the park, runner passes him breathing out virus and gets Covid
  • Thiem goes though 3 airports, sits in 8 cabs and on 3 airlines just to get from home to US hotel and has two dozen opportunities to contact with Covid
  • cleaning lady takes the metro, gets Covid, coughs after cleaning up and leaves Covid at location
  • cook spreads Covid over hotel / location / restaurant food
Any opinion criticizing Djokovic then suggesting that the US Open is in for a fun, Covid-free experience is utterly preposterous and spits in the face of factual data and that Covid don't really give a fuck. There's no distancing and masking during play nor the level of cleaning for that many ppl. over hotels, cab rides, airplanes, airports, restaurants, gyms, toilets, massage rooms, press rooms, hotel rooms, hotel bars, swimming pools or lifts.

I BET ANYONE that by the US Open is done, far more athletes and officials will be infected than the limited numbers in Adria Tour. US sport events support this.
Is repetitive because you are in the minority. The vast majority of tennis players, officials, fans, and media think this was a mistake. Now ncluding Novak.

If you keep disagreeing, then you will keep finding people to argue with. It's up to you whether you wish to keep doing that.
 
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Is repetitive because you are in the minority. The vast majority of tennis players, officials, fans, and media think this was a mistake. Now ncluding Novak.

If you keep disagreeing, then you will keep finding people to argue with. It's up to you whether you wish to keep doing that.
Yes, we've already established that I'm a minority. You claim you are not racist yet keep bringing this up like my fact-based argument is invalid cause I'm a minority.

Very, very said. :sad
 
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Yes, we've already established that I'm a minority. You claim you are not racist yet keep bringing this up like my fact-based argument is invalid cause I'm a minority.

Very, very said. :sad
Maybe we are the same race? Who knows?

It wasn't a rebuke BTW. You are free to argue with whoever you like. I have been winding up a guy about nfl, knowing full well that he is either trolling, or too dumb to take in facts, and thus will never change his mind. At all.

I do so because I have found it amusing. If I found it repetitive or boring I would stop.

The majority of people with an interest in tennis think this tour was poorly organised and irresponsible. This view is borne out by the high level of transmission.

You are free to disagree, and free to argue your case, but as you are in a very small minority, you are likely to find lots of people to disagree with. If you choose to continue to engage with them, then that's on you.
 

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Maybe we are the same race? Who knows?

It wasn't a rebuke BTW. You are free to argue with whoever you like. I have been winding up a guy about nfl, knowing full well that he is either trolling, or too dumb to take in facts, and thus will never change his mind. At all.

I do so because I have found it amusing. If I found it repetitive or boring I would stop.

The majority of people with an interest in tennis think this tour was poorly organised and irresponsible. This view is borne out by the high level of transmission.

You are free to disagree, and free to argue your case, but as you are in a very small minority, you are likely to find lots of people to disagree with. If you choose to continue to engage with them, then that's on you.
Most ppl. thought Earth was flat & Sun was going around it by the grace of God who sent his son here to be tortured to death, resurrect and fly to the heavens. Then science came showing Earth goes around the Sun that goes around the galaxy that moves with the galaxy cluster. Also, zombies and reanimation aren't real, dead bodies stink rather than producing anti-gravitational forces, plus they freeze solid and fall apart above the atmosphere. Guess what astronauts found where Jesus supposedly went - door to the heavens? Nope, hard vacuum, near absolute cold and lethal cosmic radiation...

Majority believes this happened:


Majority don't believe this happened:



So you may choose to believe in flat Earth, flying gods, fairy tales and 5000 ppl. entering a Covid-infested US town through airports, taxis, hotels, gyms etc. and play maskless and gloveless for two weeks and not get infected... or you can trust the stats that already said otherwise: it's statistically impossible.
 
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Most ppl. thought Earth was flat & Sun was going around it by the grace of God who sent his son to be tortured to death, resurrect and fly to the heavens. Then science came showing Earth goes around the Sun that goes around the galaxy that moves with the galaxy cluster. Also, zombies and reanimation aren't real, dead bodies stink and don't produce anti-gravitational forces, plus they freeze to a rock and fall apart above the atmosphere. Guess what astronauts found where Jesus supposedly went - door to the heavens? Nope, hard vacuum, near absolute cold and lethal cosmic radiation...

So you may choose to believe in flat Earth, fairy tales and 5000 ppl. entering a Covid-infested US town through airports, taxis, hotels, gyms etc. and play maskless and gloveless with good old distancing somehow, and not get infected... or you can trust the stats that already said otherwise: it's statistically impossible.
That seems comparable mate. Exact same thing. :lol:

You are not arguing any of that though. You are arguing this event was fine, despite the fact they had no sensible precautions and they all got sick.

In this instance you are the modern day flat earther, moaning that it's boring to keep debating the shape of the earth, yet arguing with everyone who points out its round.

It will be interesting to see how many get sick in the UK event. It's in a much more affected location, but it had employed more sensible measures.

I would guess we don't see an outbreak anything like we got from the shirtless dad dancers.
 

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It will be interesting to see how many get sick in the UK event. It's in a much more affected location, but it had employed more sensible measures.
The UK event is not a 5000-strong grand slam with 100 countries and 100000 travel stops you're suggesting that can be done in a Covid country without anyone contacting with Covid, it's even smaller scale than Adria Tour held in a largely Covid-free country. And based on the UK's well-documented cover-ups by UKAD and other testing parties, the event may produce positive tests and we'll never hear about it unless it gets leaked. Another fact based observation.
 
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The UK event is not a 5000-strong grand slam with 100 countries and 100000 travel stops you're suggesting that can be done in a Covid country without anyone contacting with Covid, it's even smaller scale than Adria Tour held in a largely Covid-free country. And based on the UK's well-documented cover-ups by UKAD and other testing parties, the event may produce positive tests and we'll never hear about it unless it gets leaked. Another fact based observation.
I have never said a grand slam right now is a good idea. I have only said that the baltic event was a bad idea, poorly executed, and that the extracurricular activities were stupid and irresponsible.

Do you agree?
 

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I have never said a grand slam right now is a good idea. I have only said that the baltic event was a bad idea, poorly executed, and that the extracurricular activities were stupid and irresponsible.

Do you agree?
It's a pandemic mate, no solution is good solution. Anything other than complete shutdown is irresponsible if you ask a virus expert, yet models suggest that the damage of the shutdown is far worse: 30s level depression coming, 30 million jobs lost in one month in US alone, ppl. unable to pay mortgage and losing access to quality food & medial care, food and medical supplies hardly going world-wide anymore, rioting and this shit is just scratching long-term catastrophic consequences. Oh and all that shutdown and distancing, and Covid is spreading record fast... :sad

I have no solution to any of this or whether to do charity events under Serbian Covid rules and minimal new cases or full-on slam in the worst Covid country even with distancing rules, but I do know that millions work in sports worldwide with few of them earning big bucks, and we can't just say "stay the fuck home yer selfish cunts" while we go pick up our paychecks.

But you can say one thing: if you are a low-ranked player in the upcoming ATP season resumption, perhaps an umpire, a coach, a phisio or tech support for broadcast, would you rather hop onto a plane RIGHT NOW and go work at a tennis event in the US (5th straight daily infection record) or to Serbia (flattened curve that allowed re-openings and public events) or not go and not put food and medicine on your family's table? It's fucked-up whatever you choose.
 
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It's a pandemic mate, no solution is good solution. Anything other than complete shutdown is irresponsible if you ask a virus expert, yet models suggest that the damage of the shutdown is far worse: 30s level depression coming, 30 million jobs lost in one month in US alone, ppl. unable to pay mortgage and losing access to quality food & medial care, food and medical supplies hardly going world-wide anymore, rioting and this shit is just scratching long-term catastrophic consequences. Oh and all that shutdown and distancing, and Covid is spreading record fast... :sad

I have no solution to any of this or whether to do charity events under Serbian Covid rules and minimal new cases or full-on slam in the worst Covid country even with distancing rules, but I do know that millions work in sports worldwide with few of them earning big bucks, and we can't just say "stay the fuck home yer selfish cunts" while we go pick up our paychecks.

But you can say one thing: if you are a low-ranked player in the upcoming ATP season resumption, perhaps an umpire, a coach, a phisio or tech support for broadcast, would you rather hop onto a plane RIGHT NOW and go work at a tennis event in the US (5th straight daily infection record) or to Serbia (flattened curve that allowed re-openings and public events) or not go and not put food and medicine on your family's table? It's fucked-up whatever you choose.
So, reading between the lines, you know it was dumb, but you like Djokovic so you would prefer not to admit that?

To answer your question though, I would like to work somewhere that employed sensible health and safety practices.

So more of the masks, distancing, quarantines, bubbles, etc, and less of the shirtless dad dancing.
 

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Any opinion criticizing Djokovic then suggesting that the US Open is in for a fun, Covid-free experience is utterly preposterous and spits in the face of factual data and that Covid don't really give a fuck. There's no distancing and masking during play nor the level of cleaning for that many ppl. over hotels, cab rides, airplanes, airports, restaurants, gyms, toilets, massage rooms, press rooms, hotel rooms, hotel bars, swimming pools or lifts.

I BET ANYONE that by the US Open is done, far more athletes and officials will be infected than the limited numbers in Adria Tour. US sport events support this.
a couple of days ago you said i was crazy for suggesting a tournament could take place under very strict controls. now you are writing that stupidness, nobody is telling you that stuff, certainley not me.

ridiculous exagerations are ridiculous. stop being ridiculous.
 

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So, reading between the lines, you know it was dumb, but you like Djokovic so you would prefer not to admit that?

To answer your question though, I would like to work somewhere that employed sensible health and safety practices.

So more of the masks, distancing, quarantines, bubbles, etc, and less of the shirtless dad dancing.
Well, sry to break it, but Covid is in exponential growth in the US despite masks and distancing, both of which helps in theory, yet neither an option during match play. And Serbia re-opened EXACTLY because they've successfully flattened the curve, Adria Tour came after unlocking that achievement.

But if we're into admission, sure: I'm living it stricter than Djokovic, don't go partying inside night clubs without a mask, but it's a FREE FUCKING WORLD mate, and Novak didn't do anything that wasn't allowed by his country, when will you admit THAT little fact? If you Tweetpic about drinking with ur buddies and some cunt replies saying 'ur irresponsible mate, u selfish prick', another 'God has forbidden drinking u go to hell' and another 'wife beaters drink, you drink, ur a wife beater, I'm calling the police and tweet and talk about u being a wife beater' I think you'd be allowed to say 'respectfully, piss off, I'm having a drink when I feel like and where it's allowed'. Djokovic followed local health roles and yet you somehow target him not local health rule makers if you feel those rules too loose, where's the logic in that?