TENNIS: Djokovic now Covid free, ATP resumes in August, French Open with 60% attendance

steviebruno

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Well, sry to break it, but Covid is in exponential growth in the US despite masks and distancing, both of which helps in theory, yet neither an option during match play. And Serbia re-opened EXACTLY because they've successfully flattened the curve, Adria Tour came after unlocking that achievement.

But if we're into admission, sure: I'm living it stricter than Djokovic, don't go partying inside night clubs without a mask, but it's a FREE FUCKING WORLD mate, and Novak didn't do anything that wasn't allowed by his country, when will you admit THAT little fact? If you Tweetpic about drinking with ur buddies and some cunt replies saying 'ur irresponsible mate, u selfish prick', another 'God has forbidden drinking u go to hell' and another 'wife beaters drink, you drink, ur a wife beater, I'm calling the police and tweet and talk about u being a wife beater' I think you'd be allowed to say 'respectfully, piss off, I'm having a drink when I feel like and where it's allowed'. Djokovic followed local health roles and yet you somehow target him not local health rule makers if you feel those rules too loose, where's the logic in that?
When, exactly, will you admit that this Adria shyt was a disaster? Should I come back next week?
 
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It wasn't a rebuke BTW. You are free to argue with whoever you like. I have been winding up a guy about nfl, knowing full well that he is either trolling, or too dumb to take in facts, and thus will never change his mind. At all.
You've got no credibility with Arenas coz u can't break 10.5 sec
 
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Well, sry to break it, but Covid is in exponential growth in the US despite masks and distancing, both of which helps in theory, yet neither an option during match play. And Serbia re-opened EXACTLY because they've successfully flattened the curve, Adria Tour came after unlocking that achievement.

But if we're into admission, sure: I'm living it stricter than Djokovic, don't go partying inside night clubs without a mask, but it's a FREE FUCKING WORLD mate, and Novak didn't do anything that wasn't allowed by his country, when will you admit THAT little fact? If you Tweetpic about drinking with ur buddies and some cunt replies saying 'ur irresponsible mate, u selfish prick', another 'God has forbidden drinking u go to hell' and another 'wife beaters drink, you drink, ur a wife beater, I'm calling the police and tweet and talk about u being a wife beater' I think you'd be allowed to say 'respectfully, piss off, I'm having a drink when I feel like and where it's allowed'. Djokovic followed local health roles and yet you somehow target him not local health rule makers if you feel those rules too loose, where's the logic in that?
No one is saying he's Hitler or a wife beater, just that he's behaved like a bonehead and that this tournament was badly organised.

Your drinking analogy doesn't hold up either. If he had a beer in a country he was allowed too and he caught the virus, then it's partly his fault, partly the country's, and partly just probability.

However, that's not what happened. He was involved in a your that had poor controls and as a result everyone got sick.

We are all judged differently in our professional life than in our personal one. Particularly if we have a position of responsibility.

A more accurate analogy would be if I owned a bar, got foreign workers in, didn't test anyone, didn't give my staff or customers masks, didn't distance anyone, and encouraged everyone to dance about topless.

My staff and customers, and the licensing board and general public would be more than justified in calling me an irresponsible bonehead.

BTW, I don't know enough about Serbia to know if their rules are sensible or sufficient.

I do know as someone responsible for staff however that you should usually aim to do better for your staff and customers than the basic health and safety legislation. Especially in a pandemic.
 

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When, exactly, will you admit that this Adria shyt was a disaster? Should I come back next week?
When will u admit that ur a Fedtard / Novak hater and at best you're channeling your disagreement with Serbian Covid rules toward the wrong fella since Djokovic didn't make or break, simply followed them, and at worst you're using whatever ammunition u get to channel your Novak hate as u been doing it for years?
 

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When will u admit that ur a Fedtard / Novak hater and at best you're channeling your disagreement with Serbian Covid rules toward the wrong fella since Djokovic didn't make or break, simply followed them, and at worst you're using whatever ammunition u get to channel your Novak hate as u been doing it for years?
... So next week, then?
 
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No one is saying he's Hitler or a wife beater, just that he's behaved like a bonehead and that this tournament was badly organised.
But here you step into your logic loophole. You hit the nail on the head: Djokovic is no Covid expert but a bonehead when it comes to pandemic. Which is exactly why he asked the actual experts of his country with the fresh, low daily Covid stats and the authority to greenlight a tour and a party, and they said 'Go ahead Serbia, we are opening up'.

But you need to make up your mind. Either you act like Djokovic is the top Serbian expert, authority and law maker on how to act during Covid (and remember, it barely scratched Serbia, so experience is different to US, UK, Spain or Italy), and following that logic, he deserves some blame, but then you are wrong because he's neither an expert or the authority on Covid, he's just an athlete asking and following rules. Or you act like he's a bonehead following what you consider wrong or too early rules, but then you admit the blame is not his cause it's the local experts that made them. Which one is it? Can't have it both ways...
 
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But here you step into your logic loophole. You hit the nail on the head: Djokovic is no Covid expert but a bonehead when it comes to pandemic. Which is exactly why he asked the actual experts of his country with the fresh, low daily Covid stats and the authority to greenlight a tour and a party, and they said 'Go ahead Serbia, we are opening up'.

But you need to make up your mind. Either you act like Djokovic is the top Serbian expert, authority and law maker on how to act during Covid (and remember, it barely scratched Serbia, so experience is different to US, UK, Spain or Italy), and following that logic, he deserves some blame, but then you are wrong because he's neither an expert or the authority on Covid, he's just an athlete asking and following rules. Or you act like he's a bonehead following what you consider wrong or too early rules, but then you admit the blame is not his cause it's the local experts that made them. Which one is it? Can't have it both ways...
He is not responsible for serbia's response to the virus, he does however hold a position of responsibility in tennis as the acting president of the atp council , and in the set up of this tour. Therefore he has to bear responsibility in this, as any leader would.

There is an expectation that those in a position of trust in any organisation or event will look after the participants, be they staff or customers.

As President of the atp council, and as a driving force in this tour, Novak has been lax in that responsibility and people are ill as a result.

If he had followed sensible precautions he could have prevented or reduced this outbreak. He did not however, because he did not take it seriously, as evidences by his comments on vaccinations and the proposed US open safety procedures, and his behaviour throughout this tournament.

You are letting your fandom for him cloud your judgement here.
 

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the charleston exhibitions seem to be being well handled. apart from the team names, wtf is team peace vs team kindness?

basically they have all the main precautions we've been talking about. there's only 3 ballkids, with masks and some weird ball collecting device, that is fine and tbh 3 might be all any match actually needs. no line judges, which could be done in real play but would need lots of hawkeye that could slow it down a lot.
 
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For those in the UK, the bbc is replaying the Federer - Nadal Wimbledon final from 2008 at 1pm.

Then at 8pm Sue Barker and some legends, (prob the usual bbc suspects. McEnroe, Becker, Navratilova, Cash, Henman, etc). will be looking at the greatest Wimbledon matches.

They will continue to show classic matches each day during this Wimbeldon fortnight.
 
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Everybody always mentions Borg v McEnroe 1980 and Federer v Nadal 2008 as the pinnacles of Wimbledon glory but how do you lot hold the 2007 mens final?

I'd say it is on par as far as quality. Obviously overshadowed due to the drama.
 
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Everybody always mentions Borg v McEnroe 1980 and Federer v Nadal 2008 as the pinnacles of Wimbledon glory but how do you lot hold the 2007 mens final?

I'd say it is on par as far as quality. Obviously overshadowed due to the drama.
2006 - 2009 finals were all great. It was a really good run.

The more recent Djokovic Federer matches have also been great. Particularly last year.
 
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I was in a restaurant with Kevin Anderson the day after he lost the Wimbledon final to Djokovic.

He was at the table beside me and my family. It was in St Andrews, he was up for the golf.

He looked totally wrecked and could barely walk. Not surprising after the mammoth semi he played.
 

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Everybody always mentions Borg v McEnroe 1980 and Federer v Nadal 2008 as the pinnacles of Wimbledon glory but how do you lot hold the 2007 mens final?

I'd say it is on par as far as quality. Obviously overshadowed due to the drama.
I'd say that 2008 was a great three sets. Nadal was winning that match fairly easily and Fed managed to raise his level and push Nadal, whose level never really dropped.
 

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2006 - 2009 finals were all great. It was a really good run.

The more recent Djokovic Federer matches have also been great. Particularly last year.
I think the 2014 final between Nole and Fed was very good, Fed was in a decent place if not in his prime and Nole was struggling in big finals it was very close. But the other two not so much. The 2019 final was exciting but I don't think they played at their best levels, I cannot believe Federer outplayed him so much and Nole took home the trophy. Tennis scoring system is incredible. Good drama.

I'd say that 2008 was a great three sets. Nadal was winning that match fairly easily and Fed managed to raise his level and push Nadal, whose level never really dropped.
Yeah he was very comfortable on serve throughout. The 4th and 5th they both began to produce the magic at the same time and the moment became huge. I clearly remember those two back to back passing shots, one from Nadal and one from Fed.
 
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I think the 2014 final between Nole and Fed was very good, Fed was in a decent place if not in his prime and Nole was struggling in big finals it was very close. But the other two not so much. The 2019 final was exciting but I don't think they played at their best levels, I cannot believe Federer outplayed him so much and Nole took home the trophy. Tennis scoring system is incredible. Good drama.
Yeah very dramatic.

I didn't get to see all of the 2014 final live. I was driving during some of it, so that might be why I don't remember it as well.
 

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I think the 2014 final between Nole and Fed was very good, Fed was in a decent place if not in his prime and Nole was struggling in big finals it was very close. But the other two not so much. The 2019 final was exciting but I don't think they played at their best levels, I cannot believe Federer outplayed him so much and Nole took home the trophy. Tennis scoring system is incredible. Good drama.



Yeah he was very comfortable on serve throughout. The 4th and 5th they both began to produce the magic at the same time and the moment became huge. I clearly remember those two back to back passing shots, one from Nadal and one from Fed.
That's the first time Nole beat Fed on grass, 2014. Also from a set down, followed by a great 1st set tie-break by Maestro. It was also the most obvious case of Boris' influence on Novak's game, who played very differently last year

Nerves of steel in 2019! Federer won that match multiple times yet walked away empty handed (soz Stevie), Nole was just so gooddamn solid in the breakers. It's all mental at the GOAT level, and Federer's nerves came up short more often than he won in these mental bottles vs. Rrrafa and Djocovid.
 
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That's the first time Nole beat Fed on grass, 2014. Also from a set down, followed by a great 1st set tie-break by Maestro. It was also the most obvious case of Boris' influence on Novak's game, who played very differently last year

Nerves of steel in 2019! Federer won that match multiple times yet walked away empty handed (soz Stevie), Nole was just so gooddamn solid in the breakers. It's all mental at the GOAT level, and Federer's nerves came up short more often than he won in these mental bottles vs. Rrrafa and Djocovid.
Tennis is about matchups. Surfaces, form and conditions are huge but generally matchups are what they are. You cannot have everything on every surface.

The 2014 final was a huge moment for Novak who was in crisis mentally. He just could not win big finals, now he cant lose them. Such an interesting career. Physically and mentally all over the show. I find his game fascinating. He has so few holes to target at his best but he does have them as they all do. What sets him apart is his ability to use your weapons against you, Agassi like but with his movement its amplified.

With all the time off I have watched a lot of him he has changed so much, so many times.
 

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The 2014 final was a huge moment for Novak who was in crisis mentally. He just could not win big finals, now he cant lose them. Such an interesting career. Physically and mentally all over the show. I find his game fascinating. He has so few holes to target at his best but he does have them as they all do. What sets him apart is his ability to use your weapons against you, Agassi like but with his movement its amplified.

With all the time off I have watched a lot of him he has changed so much, so many times.
Injuries and experience reshaped his game multiple times over the years, different Nole in 2008, 2011, 2014 and 2019. Dunno if he's the GOAT just yet, but he's definitely the biggest loser of all time meaning no other player in the history learnt and recovered from stunning, heartbreaking losses as fast and as well adjusted as he did.

Take the Cecchinato's great upset at 2018 Roland Garros, Djokovic took a hike to the old rusty Summer practice court of his youth in Serbia and Fognini said has was considering retirement. Came back few days later and beat Rafa in that nerve wrecking Wimbledon classic. I was on a rowing trip in the local backwoods with barely any internet between villages, and somehow captured the 5th set on my phone while standing in the mud and and the Sun burning me to a crisp. :lol: Shit was tense. And a little painful.