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Wow that was a tense final. I give it a B+ considering it was a great mental battle and thankfully a player who wouldn't go down in Matteo Berrettini, who has my support. Just not a Big Four caliber big final, not on points or aesthetics.

Novak will take it, and he'll take a random selfie with some kid who just became the luckiest person alive, getting a picture with the fresh GOAT.

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It's funny because when Novak went up 2-1 playing at below his b-level, I thought, 'he's about to Andy Murray his way to a title'.

He definitely showed his class those last few games, though.
 

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60 fucking slams, what the fuck? These three have SIXTY. FUCKING. SLAMS.

Well, that's over.

It's been a busy week...


Stanley cup final. (Tampa)

Ladies Wimbledon final. (Barty)

South American football Cup (Argentina !)

Wimbledon mens final (Djokovic)


And in two hours time, the Euro final !
 
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Well, that's over.

It's been a busy week...


Stanley cup final. (Tampa)

Ladies Wimbledon final. (Barty)

South American football Cup (Argentina !)

Wimbledon mens final (Djokovic)


And in two hours time, the Euro final !
Haha yes, plenty of action this week. And summer.

Djokovic has now won the Aussie, the Garros and Wimbledon back to back the same year, arguably the most difficult task in this sport or any, and still has the Olympics and US Open to capture in 10 weeks. Of course he's held the Novak Slam and I personally find the calendar slam thing silly (if you hold all, you hold all), but he does miss the gold from his collection so doing the Golden Slam would be a cherry on his cake.
 
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I think Novak is going to get to like 25 slams. Him beating Nadal at the French really tipped the scales in his favor now because Nadal beating Novak at the French is no longer a given. Novak seems to be as good as ever. And he's almost as dominant at the Australian as Nadal is at the French. So you can easily peg 2-3 just there alone. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to like 27-28.
 
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I think Novak is going to get to like 25 slams. Him beating Nadal at the French really tipped the scales in his favor now because Nadal beating Novak at the French is no longer a given. Novak seems to be as good as ever. And he's almost as dominant at the Australian as Nadal is at the French. So you can easily peg 2-3 just there alone. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to like 27-28.
The only thing that stops him is injury.
 
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I think Novak is going to get to like 25 slams. Him beating Nadal at the French really tipped the scales in his favor now because Nadal beating Novak at the French is no longer a given. Novak seems to be as good as ever. And he's almost as dominant at the Australian as Nadal is at the French. So you can easily peg 2-3 just there alone. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to like 27-28.
As I've been saying it like a mantra: Djokovic became the biggest loser of all time before becoming the biggest winner: he had the misfortune to face the two GOATs as a teenager and green 20-21yo and suffered 12-15 pre-prime losses before hitting form while being told he's not good enough so stop trying the mess with the greatest paper rivalry of all time, and he turned that to his benefit.

His personal and professional growth, change and adaptability based on surfaces, age and injuries and constant thinking on and off the court how to be two steps ahead his competition and more painful losses is what really propelled him to the top, over and over again, injury after injury, surgery after surgery, changing rackets, service motions etc.

In the end, he made his misfortune of getting spanked green by Fedal into his learning experience to surpass his great teachers while they were still winning slams, and I don't think anyone has offered the handshake as honest as Djokovic did loss after loss, knowing he got bested therefore needs hard work to do the next morning, rather than pulling the hissy fit or the injury card.

So yeah, he looks as good as ever cause he's adapting his game to his age and opposition like he always did, he doesn't run or stretch so much anymore, he's very efficient with the serves, knows how to conserve energy with pace or coming to the net, has all-court coverage and change of tactics based on opposition, surface or weather, he's just optimized his life around slams for his mid-30s, and he's already picked up more of them than anyone else in history 30+, incl. his two biggest rivals. And he has 6 more yrs before 40, think about that.
 
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Fed's style took him to 38-39. Novak has a superior tennis body, but his style is not as kind. I wouldn't necessarily count to 40 for Novak, as we see how screwed Fed has been recently, but we'll see...

It certainly does help that these other guys don't look like future ATGs.
 

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Fed's style took him to 38-39. Novak has a superior tennis body, but his style is not as kind. I wouldn't necessarily count to 40 for Novak, as we see how screwed Fed has been recently, but we'll see...

It certainly does help that these other guys don't look like future ATGs.
What goes around comes around I guess: Fed had years of competing against the likes of Marcos Baghdatis in slam finals who'd get trashed by Thiem, Tsitsipas, Berrettini or Medvedev, and perhaps Novak will now get some Fedal-free slams. Note though that he hasn't won a single one without either or both of them entering it, and had to beat either or both in most of them so his draws were arguably the toughest of all-time, considering the other two plus Del Potro, Wawrinka, Murray etc. being around. And now he's at an age Agassi, Sampras, Nadal and Federer regularly started to lose vs. the youth Novak is still (mostly) beating. And I'd like to defend the NexGen "not looking like future ATGs" considering Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is their opposition, and they still accumulated over 10 wins over them at slams I think by now.

Would you say Federer was physically better at 34 than Djokovic is today?
 
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What goes around comes around I guess: Fed had years of competing against the likes of Marcos Baghdatis in slam finals who'd get trashed by Thiem, Tsitsipas, Berrettini or Medvedev, and perhaps Novak will now get some Fedal-free slams. Note though that he hasn't won a single one without either or both of them entering it, and had to beat either or both in most of them so his draws were arguably the toughest of all-time, considering the other two plus Del Potro, Wawrinka, Murray etc. being around. And now he's at an age Agassi, Sampras, Nadal and Federer regularly started to lose vs. the youth Novak is still (mostly) beating. And I'd like to defend the NexGen "not looking like future ATGs" considering Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is their opposition, and they still accumulated over 10 wins over them at slams I think by now.

Would you say Federer was physically better at 34 than Djokovic is today?
Are you sure that these guys are better than Andy Roddick, Marat Safin, Hewitt, Tommy Haas, Fernando Gonzalez, Nalbandian, Davydenko, James Blake, "baby Nadal", etc.? I'm not all that sure of that. Why should I be when a geriatric Fed was still competing for slams not too long ago? Shouldn't these other next gen guys have stopped him before the injuries did?

Federer had probably a solid year before having to deal with Nadal, and maybe three years before having to deal with Novak. How many years has Novak enjoyed without having to deal with an ATG upstart, stockpiling slams against old Federer, battered Nadal, and a cast mental midgets? 5? 6? When will it end, btw? After 10 years?

Yes, he's the GOAT and might threaten 30 slams, but it has a lot to do with these other guys not being about shyt when it matters. Novak Djokovic went down two sets at the FO final... you think "baby Nadal" blows an opportunity the way Tsitsipas did? How about pushing the ball around the court for three hours yesterday, only to find himself up 2-1? You think Andy Roddick would like a piece of that? I do.

These guys aren't better than the placeholders that came before them. You're just being a prisoner of the moment.
 

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Are you sure that these guys are better than Andy Roddick, Marat Safin, Hewitt, Tommy Haas, Fernando Gonzalez, Nalbandian, Davydenko, James Blake, "baby Nadal", etc.?
:lol: Bitch please.... Haas played pretty, Gonzalez had an entertaining forehand, Baghdatis a cute puppy face and Blake... James fucking Blake mate? You on the sauce again? :lol:

These would not make a dent on a GS draw let alone threaten an upset like Medvedev or Tsitsipas did, or how Cilic, Thiem picked up one. And I'm a BIG Fenya and Baghdatis fan, very good B+/A- level of tennis! Davydenko and Nalbandian were legit contenders and all-time grand slam bottle jobs, not a dent in a modern slam draw. Roddick had his moments until he started to get spanked by the big 3 over and over again, a moment vs. green Djok is his biggest achievement once the big 3 era kicked off.

Safin is the only legit player on your list, a headcase with real talent but zero consistency, and can definitely reach a final in his prime, it's too bad Fed had Safin in his post-prime so questionable choice. These are as legit contenders as some of Golovkin's MW opposition then he met Jacobs, Canelo and they are a different level.

Tsitsipas, Thiem, Medvedev all have wins over Fedalovic and since you are randomly throwing in older contenders Novak had to fend off Wawrinka (3 slam, 5 wins over Fedalovic in the Fedalovic era), Murray (3 slams, no1, 2 golds, 6+ wins over Fedalovic in the Fedalovic era), Del Potro (1 slam, multi-wins over Fedalovic) and then add Cilic, Thiem and today's yougsters doing just fine against oldies, Daniil including, it's just that beating 2-3 of Fedalovic is still and extremely tall order. These Nole era opponents mentioned in this paragraph would open a new anus in James Fucking Blake & Roddick and all of them so wide Djokovic's 20 slam trophies would fit through in parallel, without lubricants.
 

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James fucking Blake man! You really mixed your crystal meth with the 2000s Pete Bodo & US media kool-aid, didn't you? :lol: You better look how far he went at slams BEFORE the Fedalovic era kicked off around '08.
 

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:lol: Bitch please.... Haas played pretty, Gonzalez had an entertaining forehand, Baghdatis a cute puppy face and Blake... James fucking Blake mate? You on the sauce again? :lol:

These would not make a dent on a GS draw let alone threaten an upset like Medvedev or Tsitsipas did, or how Cilic, Thiem picked up one. And I'm a BIG Fenya and Baghdatis fan, very good B+/A- level of tennis! Davydenko and Nalbandian were legit contenders and all-time grand slam bottle jobs, not a dent in a modern slam draw. Roddick had his moments until he started to get spanked by the big 3 over and over again, a moment vs. green Djok is his biggest achievement once the big 3 era kicked off.

Safin is the only legit player on your list, a headcase with real talent but zero consistency, and can definitely reach a final in his prime, it's too bad Fed had Safin in his post-prime so questionable choice. These are as legit contenders as some of Golovkin's MW opposition then he met Jacobs, Canelo and they are a different level.

Tsitsipas, Thiem, Medvedev all have wins over Fedalovic and since you are randomly throwing in older contenders Novak had to fend off Wawrinka (3 slam, 5 wins over Fedalovic in the Fedalovic era), Murray (3 slams, no1, 2 golds, 6+ wins over Fedalovic in the Fedalovic era), Del Potro (1 slam, multi-wins over Fedalovic) and then add Cilic, Thiem and today's yougsters doing just fine against oldies, Daniil including, it's just that beating 2-3 of Fedalovic is still and extremely tall order. These Nole era opponents mentioned in this paragraph would open a new anus in James Fucking Blake & Roddick and all of them so wide Djokovic's 20 slam trophies would fit through in parallel, without lubricants.
Your problem is that you probably didn't start watching tennis until the year 2008. You don't know tennis and you don't like tennis; you're just a Novak Djokovic stan. 05-07 James Blake would be a top 7 player in today's game. Booming serve. Ridiculous forehand. Lethal backhand return. Tremendous side to side movement. This was dude's weaker side:


What the hell is wrong with you? :lol: If Berretini ever even dreams of hitting a backhand like that, he'd better wake up and slap himself.

Fukk a "threat"; can anyone actually beat these old muthafukkas in a final? No? Then I don't want to hear anything about them. Fernando Gonzalez is better than Rublev. Tommy Haas is just as good as Tsitsipas. Safin would take a big steaming dump on Medvedev, as would Kafelnikov. Nalbandian would send Thiem on an extended vacation.

Federer also played against Stan and was like 19-3 against him the last time I checked. How does that help your argument? :lol:

Get some help. Seriously.
 

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Your problem is that you probably didn't start watching tennis until the year 2008. You don't know tennis; you're just a Novak Djokovic stan.
You really don't wanna poll who's tennis knowledge this forum prefers, I promise. :lol:

Watched plenty before "becoming a Djokovic stan" haha, loved Safin, met him once, Big Fenya fan too. Ur all over the place again mixing never beens with once or twice beens. Prime Safin perhaps beats Sunday's Berrettini but not exactly fair cause does he beat Friday's too? No sure, maybe. Fed never had to fend off prime Marat if that ever really existed, so hardly an argument anyway.

The only player on your list built for modern, physical, consistent, clean, both defensive and offensive minded tennis is Nalbandian, a CRIMINAL underachiever but since we're talking about tennis at slams and he's the GOAT bottle job at that, I'll give him a 6/7 set vs. Tsitsipas in the Roland Garros final before losing the other two 2/6 3/6, and Old Rublev (Davydenko) won't shine either, despite being a good ATP tour player.

You are clearly the victim of starting watching men's tennis around Federer much like the many housewifes and closeted manager types that fell in love with him. Don't blame ya, good looking fella with incredible talent but obvious character (mono, hissy fits) and game flaws (backhand, defense). So I'm unsurprised you've read the US media stories on Blake who does have an interesting background and believed he's great opposition when he barely reached a quarter when he had no real opposition in dozens of tries.

You efforts to defend the many slams Fed picked up when he had no opposition on the level we're talking about are in vain, you're about 10 years too late when enough Federer fans believed if they say it over and over again it becomes the truth. The truth however is: ask Blake, Roddick, Baghdatis, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Gonzalez and late Safin what do they think if they shared the same era with Wawrinka, Murray, Del Potro, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Cilic and Medvedev, and they'll say they are lucky they avoided the trashing. You are in utter denial of how physically and mentally tough, complex, clear headed and brutal tennis has become over the past decade or so, and if you think a prime Tommy Haas has a chance vs a prime Murray or Wawrinka to pick up a slam when these two beat one or two of Fedaloved en route to multiple slams you are beyond redemption as you've caught a very bad stain of mono. :lol:
 

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You really don't wanna poll who's tennis knowledge this forum prefers, I promise. :lol:

Watched plenty before "becoming a Djokovic stan" haha, loved Safin, met him once, Big Fenya fan too. Ur all over the place again mixing never beens with once or twice beens. Prime Safin perhaps beats Sunday's Berrettini but not exactly fair cause does he beat Friday's too? No sure, maybe. Fed never had to fend off prime Marat if that ever really existed, so hardly an argument anyway.

The only player on your list built for modern, physical, consistent, clean, both defensive and offensive minded tennis is Nalbandian, a CRIMINAL underachiever but since we're talking about tennis at slams and he's the GOAT bottle job at that, I'll give him a 6/7 set vs. Tsitsipas in the Roland Garros final before losing the other two 2/6 3/6, and Old Rublev (Davydenko) won't shine either, despite being a good ATP tour player.

You are clearly the victim of starting watching men's tennis around Federer much like the many housewifes and closeted manager types that fell in love with him. Don't blame ya, good looking fella with incredible talent but obvious character (mono, hissy fits) and game flaws (backhand, defense). So I'm unsurprised you've read the US media stories on Blake who does have an interesting background and believed he's great opposition when he barely reached a quarter when he had no real opposition in dozens of tries.

You efforts to defend the many slams Fed picked up when he had no opposition on the level we're talking about are in vain, you're about 10 years too late when enough Federer fans believed if they say it over and over again it becomes the truth. The truth however is: ask Blake, Roddick, Baghdatis, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Gonzalez and late Safin what do they think if they shared the same era with Wawrinka, Murray, Del Potro, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Cilic and Medvedev, and they'll say they are lucky they avoided the trashing. You are in utter denial of how physically and mentally tough, complex, clear headed and brutal tennis has become over the past decade or so, and if you think a prime Tommy Haas has a chance vs a prime Murray or Wawrinka to pick up a slam when these two beat one or two of Fedaloved en route to multiple slams you are beyond redemption as you've caught a very bad stain of mono. :lol:
Right... I met Safin, great guy, now let me shyt on his Eric Dane looking azz for the sake of my beloved Nole. Yes, clown, Safin beats any version of Berretini. Dude beat Pete Sampras at Wimbledon (while being "green", am I right?) and you feel the need to ask that question because Mateo beat fukking Hurcacz? :rofl Didn't I tell you to put down that pipe, son?

The talent of the big 3 didn't just magically fall onto the heads of these other lackys like pixie dust; they are no better than the guys who struggled to beat younger, fitter, and overall better versions of Fedalovic. You wouldn't comment on James Blake because you were taken aback, having never seen him play before. Who else do you want me to educate you on?

19-3 Fed over Wawrinka last I checked. Rog did the same thing to Roddick, but I don't see you sniffing around Andy's ass like that. :lol:

Fed played damn near 100 matches a season, too, while Thiem's bitch ass went to Disneyland after winning his Slam and hasn't come back since. :lol:
 

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and you feel the need to ask that question because Mateo beat fukking Hurcacz? :rofl Didn't I tell you to put down that pipe, son?
I have a pretty short memory so lemme check what 3rd rate shithole Hurkacz beat to reach SF & Matteo

Hurkacz def. Federer 63 76 60uch:lol:

But your silver lining is that Hurkacz never met a prime Federer. Nor Roger a prime Safin unless we count that 2005 or 2006 one where Safin won. Hey, no bagel that time around!