RBR!!! Terence Crawford (WBO) vs. Kell Brook - November 14th 2020

Crawford vs. Brook Winner and How?

  • Terence Crawford Stoppage

    Votes: 25 71.4%
  • Terence Crawford Decision

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • Kell Brook Decision

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Kell Brook Stoppage

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
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I dont think American fans realise Brook turned pro in 2004. Well before most of these fighters at Welterweight. His first world level opponent was Shawn Porter 10 years later 2014. His first 10 years of pro career was wasted. Whilst guys who turned pro after him were earning millions.
When he stopped Kevin McIntyre in a round back in 2008 I said he would be world champ in 2 years tops.

One of the most talented uk fighters I ever saw live.

It was 6 years before he fought Porter. When he won that I thought he would have a series of great fights.

He got stabbed, fought a lot of nothing fights then rolled the dice against GGG because he was desperate. Then stupidly fight Spence. Then wasted years chasing Khan.

Such a waste of talent.
 
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That's Brook's downfall. He fought GGG for no good reason, broke one orbital bone. Then got in with Spence right after that, and broke the other. Anytime your sinuses are involved in some trauma, it fucks everything else up. You can't breathe, sleep, etc.
On the whole broken orbital bone. Is there not an argument to be had that he may have got that anyway, despite who he fought? Maybe it was a case of being hit too much over the course of his career and was an accumulation of damage? Those Carson Jones fights took a lot out of Brook and were damaging physically.
 
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When he stopped Kevin McIntyre in a round back in 2008 I said he would be world champ in 2 years tops.

One of the most talented uk fighters I ever saw live.

It was 6 years before he fought Porter. When he won that I thought he would have a series of great fights.

He got stabbed, fought a lot of nothing fights then rolled the dice against GGG because he was desperate. Then stupidly fight Spence. Then wasted years chasing Khan.

Such a waste of talent.
I remember mentioning post fight with Porter that he has a great chance of beating Thurman. Many people were super high on Thurman because of all his knockouts and thought he was too dangerous for Brook. Just shows you how fast things change. Thurman is now a distant memory for many.
 
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When he stopped Kevin McIntyre in a round back in 2008 I said he would be world champ in 2 years tops.

One of the most talented uk fighters I ever saw live.

It was 6 years before he fought Porter. When he won that I thought he would have a series of great fights.

He got stabbed, fought a lot of nothing fights then rolled the dice against GGG because he was desperate. Then stupidly fight Spence. Then wasted years chasing Khan.

Such a waste of talent.
I remember his debut againt Peter Buckley. Followed his career since the beginning. Namely because his trainer Brendan Ingle was all over on the press saying he was gonna be greater then Naseem Hamed.

He could've been. But entire early career strategy was sit tight take zero risks wait for Amir Khan to move up through the divisions from
Lightweight to Welterweight. Beat Khan and become a star overnight.

He got offered a fight within 2 years of fighting Mcintyre. Against Cornelius Bundrage albeit 154lb. His father turned it down. Frank Warren was convinced he could win that fight. Raise his profile and that would lead him to the bigger paychecks and bigger fights. Backdown at Welterweight.
 
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He got paid 2.3 Million for GGG I am not sure if thats crazy money. By recent standards.

As for the rest Kell Brooks career is a reason one should not have their father acting as a manager. Too many bad management decisions.

I have looked around and seen the GGG purse largely reported at £3.5 million - which is not crazy but a fair chunk considering he got 250k to box porter. That fight and the Spence fight allowed kell to retire financially secure from boxing. The crawford fight will guarantee he will always be a wealthy man. Kell has a lot of issues out of the ring with depression and other problems, he always talks about depression and coming back from dark places in interviews, I hope he finds peace now his days as a fighter are over, I do not want to see him box again.
 
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I have looked around and seen the GGG purse largely reported at £3.5 million - which is not crazy but a fair chunk considering he got 250k to box porter. That fight and the Spence fight allowed kell to retire financially secure from boxing. The crawford fight will guarantee he will always be a wealthy man. Kell has a lot of issues out of the ring with depression and other problems, he always talks about depression and coming back from dark places in interviews, I hope he finds peace now his days as a fighter are over, I do not want to see him box again.
Thats the British tabloids for you. They like to exaggerate and get the Dollar amount confused with pound sterling. Check out the purse mentioned for Khan verses Canelo. No way Khan earned that much.

Eddie Hearn also uses dollars because according to his own words. It sounds alot more.

It was £ 2.3 million British sterling. Not sure how much it was in dollars back in 2016.

Bottom line he has earned less then his initial goal of £10 million. And only three 7 figure purses. Probaby less then the career earnings of the likes of Timothy Bradley and Victor Ortiz.
 
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I have looked around and seen the GGG purse largely reported at £3.5 million - which is not crazy but a fair chunk considering he got 250k to box porter. That fight and the Spence fight allowed kell to retire financially secure from boxing. The crawford fight will guarantee he will always be a wealthy man. Kell has a lot of issues out of the ring with depression and other problems, he always talks about depression and coming back from dark places in interviews, I hope he finds peace now his days as a fighter are over, I do not want to see him box again.
His depression is a thing of the past I think. It came after that loss to Spence and how things went down after:

I'm happy for him that financially he and his family are going to be okay but 'm reluctant to subscribe to the idea that he should retire. Namely because he didn't lose against just anybody. He lost against the absolute best. I also think that Kell needs to go out with a win seeing how the Spence loss ruined him mentally. I don't think he could cope retiring with a loss. I hope he goes out with positivity.
He could beat plenty of fighters just with that jab alone, including Danny Garcia IMO.
 
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His depression is a thing of the past I think. It came after that loss to Spence and how things went down after:

I'm happy for him that financially he and his family are going to be okay but 'm reluctant to subscribe to the idea that he should retire. Namely because he didn't lose against just anybody. He lost against the absolute best. I also think that Kell needs to go out with a win seeing how the Spence loss ruined him mentally. I don't think he could cope retiring with a loss. I hope he goes out with positivity.
He could beat plenty of fighters just with that jab alone, including Danny Garcia IMO.
Have you seen the punch that rattled him. In slow motion.

On 2.25 minutes. His punch resistance is gone. That was not even a proper hook with full body weight behind it.

 
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Thats the British tabloids for you. They like to exaggerate and get the Dollar amount confused with pound sterling. Check out the purse mentioned for Khan verses Canelo. No way Khan earned that much.

Eddie Hearn also uses dollars because according to his own words. It sounds alot more.

It was £ 2.3 million British sterling. Not sure how much it was in dollars back in 2016.

Bottom line he has earned less then his initial goal of £10 million. And only three 7 figure purses. Probaby less then the career earnings of the likes of Timothy Bradley and Victor Ortiz.
Sounds about right, one fought Pacquiao and the other fought Mayweather, unfortunately for Brook he didn't manage to get in there with either man.
 
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Have you seen the punch that rattled him. In slow motion.

On 2.25 minutes. His punch resistance is gone. That was not even a proper hook with full body weight behind it.

That's an assumption and may be true but he jumped right into it - worsening its effect. Basically the opposite of rolling with a punch. His whole head snapped back. It's not like he barely got hit.

But, again, it happened against the very best who got a very good shot in there stopping Brook in his tracks. I don't see a predictable Danny Garcia doing that.
 
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That's an assumption and may be true but he jumped right into it - worsening its effect. Basically the opposite of rolling with a punch. His whole head snapped back. It's not like he barely got hit.

But, again, it happened against the very best who got a very good shot in there stopping Brook in his tracks. I don't see a predictable Danny Garcia doing that.
I would disagree those points. That aside

(1) His coach and his promoter have been telling him to move up to 154lb for a number of years. I dont see what future he has at 147lbs.

(2) I dont see why Danny Garcia would fight him or anyone else thats an established name at 147lb.

If he sticks at 147lb the best he can expect is a fight against an up and coming contender like Virgil Ortiz.
 

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I’m as big a Kell Brook fan as you’ll find & im convinced he’d get knocked out by any half decent fighter at 147 after last night. It was a lovely well timed shot by Crawford but there’s no way Brook would be doing a silly dance in 2014 if he got hit with that, I’m not even sure he would’ve done if he got clipped with it 2-3 years ago.

He’s learned his lessons too late in life a bit like Kevin Mitchell in his last couple of fights. Finally living the life between camps & keeping his weight down but it’s too late as he’s already well past his best & had too many years of abusing his body & having to lose several stone before fights.

If he is to carry on (I hope he doesn’t) then it has to be at 154 (he’s been at 147 for 15 years!) but I think it’s too late for a run in that weight class.

If he retires now he can at least say he’s only lost to 3 special fighters who will in all likelihood all make the hall of fame, if he carries on all he’ll do is ending up losing fights to substandard opposition & make his record look worse
 

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I would disagree those points. That aside

(1) His coach and his promoter have been telling him to move up to 154lb for a number of years. I dont see what future he has at 147lbs.

(2) I dont see why Danny Garcia would fight him or anyone else thats an established name at 147lb.

If he sticks at 147lb the best he can expect is a fight against an up and coming contender like Virgil Ortiz.
Punch resistance gone or not, Vergil is one of the last guys I want to see him in the ring with after last night's destruction. Please no.

Going by the rankings there's plenty of potential farewell opponents at WW or SWW. Although I'm not taking promoter/management BS into consideration here. Danny was/is just an example.
 
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Thats the British tabloids for you. They like to exaggerate and get the Dollar amount confused with pound sterling. Check out the purse mentioned for Khan verses Canelo. No way Khan earned that much.

Eddie Hearn also uses dollars because according to his own words. It sounds alot more.

It was £ 2.3 million British sterling. Not sure how much it was in dollars back in 2016.

Bottom line he has earned less then his initial goal of £10 million. And only three 7 figure purses. Probaby less then the career earnings of the likes of Timothy Bradley and Victor Ortiz.
He'd have earned more if he was American, or based in America.

All the names at the weight were based there and they had plenty of opportunities without him. No need to travel to the UK or risk their rep against a guy with little US profile.

Also, the American promoters would rather their fighters fight stablemates than risk losing to a UK upstart.


There was loads of winnable fights for him at that weight and time if he could get them.
 
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He'd have earned more if he was American, or based in America.

All the names at the weight were based there and they had plenty of opportunities without him. No need to travel to the UK or risk their rep against a guy with little US profile.

Also, the American promoters would rather their fighters fight stablemates than risk losing to a UK upstart.


There was loads of winnable fights for him at that weight and time if he could get them.
Traditionally the method has been. To start taking riskier fights at world level against world class opponents. Once you been a pro for 4 years or so. And the purses and the big fights follow.

Berto , Ortiz, Khan, Bradley, Alexander, Maidana, Thurman, Spence, Malignaggi et al. All followed this method.
 
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As far as the postmortem on Brooks career why it turned out the way it did.the following 2 articles from nearly a decade ago by Terence Dooley at the boxing scene offer insight.

Promoter Warrens frustration at Brooks manager dad and his turning down fights against likes of Miguel Cotto and Cornelius Bundrage. And Brooks dads response. Make up your own mind.


 
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