RBR!!! Terence Crawford (WBO) vs. Kell Brook - November 14th 2020

Crawford vs. Brook Winner and How?

  • Terence Crawford Stoppage

    Votes: 25 71.4%
  • Terence Crawford Decision

    Votes: 6 17.1%
  • Kell Brook Decision

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Kell Brook Stoppage

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35
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As far as the postmortem on Brooks career why it turned out the way it did.the following 2 articles from nearly a decade ago by Terence Dooley at the boxing scene offer insight.

Promoter Warrens frustration at Brooks manager dad and his turning down fights against likes of Miguel Cotto and Cornelius Bundrage. And Brooks dads response. Make up your own mind.


I read them both in order and I see the Brook Sr (already forgotten his actual name) article seems more balanced than the FW one which doesn't accept any responsibility whatsoever for Brook's stalled career. Team Brook were quite right not to be satisfied with half-promises of a title shot in a different weight class, the move to Matchroom was the right one.

The Brook Sr article makes reference to the Special K nickname Brook used to wear, I remember that becoming the Special One later on but never heard the official reason for that, I'd always assumed Kellogs had sent a cease and desist letter to Brook, do you know if that's right or what the background is? Just out of curiosity as I've never been able to find out for sure the reason
 
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I read them both in order and I see the Brook Sr (already forgotten his actual name) article seems more balanced than the FW one which doesn't accept any responsibility whatsoever for Brook's stalled career. Team Brook were quite right not to be satisfied with half-promises of a title shot in a different weight class, the move to Matchroom was the right one.

The Brook Sr article makes reference to the Special K nickname Brook used to wear, I remember that becoming the Special One later on but never heard the official reason for that, I'd always assumed Kellogs had sent a cease and desist letter to Brook, do you know if that's right or what the background is? Just out of curiosity as I've never been able to find out for sure the reason
Well I dont know about the others but the Title shot against. K9 Bundrage was a serious offer. The dad turned it down wanted to stay at welter.

On a similar note Amir Khan was a lightweight when he got offered the title shot against Kotelnik a division higher at Junior Welterweight You have to take opportunities when they present themselves.

As for "Special K" it was the street name for Ketamine an anesthetic... Which was used as a popular recreational drug by junkies a decade or so ago. Thats why Kell and his team replaced it with "The Special One" instead. Which also emulated Kirkland Laings knickname of "The Gifted One."
 
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A big problem when Brook was with Frank was that Warren only got 10 shows a year off Sky for the last couple of years & he wouldn’t take the risk of promoting him in Sheffield. I know Brook & his dad wanted Warren to put shows on in Sheffield but if I remember rightly he was doing shows in London (Mitchell, Chisora), Liverpool (Smith brothers, Bellew, Selkirk & a few others) & then Glasgow shows with Burns headlining as world champ & they were all close to or selling out so he had no interest in using a date up in Sheffield.

I was told the final straw was after he defeated Michael Jennings where he wanted big fights & instead he was pretty much first fight on tele at 6pm when barely anyone was in the arena against a random African in Liverpool.

I never really read much into the supposed Bundrage offer. Around that time Frank lost loads of fighters to Matchroom & afterwards he claimed pretty much all of them turned down loads of opportunities. It would’ve also been pretty reckless to jump straight from the fighters Warren had Brook facing to going away from home at short notice in a new weight division without the in between fights like N’Dou, Hatton & Jones that clearly got Brook ready to do 12 hard rounds.
 
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A big problem when Brook was with Frank was that Warren only got 10 shows a year off Sky for the last couple of years & he wouldn’t take the risk of promoting him in Sheffield. I know Brook & his dad wanted Warren to put shows on in Sheffield but if I remember rightly he was doing shows in London (Mitchell, Chisora), Liverpool (Smith brothers, Bellew, Selkirk & a few others) & then Glasgow shows with Burns headlining as world champ & they were all close to or selling out so he had no interest in using a date up in Sheffield.

I was told the final straw was after he defeated Michael Jennings where he wanted big fights & instead he was pretty much first fight on tele at 6pm when barely anyone was in the arena against a random African in Liverpool.

I never really read much into the supposed Bundrage offer. Around that time Frank lost loads of fighters to Matchroom & afterwards he claimed pretty much all of them turned down loads of opportunities. It would’ve also been pretty reckless to jump straight from the fighters Warren had Brook facing to going away from home at short notice in a new weight division without the in between fights like N’Dou, Hatton & Jones that clearly got Brook ready to do 12 hard rounds.
https://shar.es/ao0KVg (click link for article..)
Cornelius was ready and willing. Once Warren started negotiations.
Team Brook went in a different direction.

For Team Brook which might have seemed like a good strategy at the time. The plan was always to talk their way into a fight with Khan. Beat him and leapfrog into superstardom. Why risk taking a tough fight and getting beat and losing the opportunity. Well things did not quite workout that way.
 
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Well I dont know about the others but the Title shot against. K9 Bundrage was a serious offer. The dad turned it down wanted to stay at welter.

On a similar note Amir Khan was a lightweight when he got offered the title shot against Kotelnik a division higher at Junior Welterweight You have to take opportunities when they present themselves.

As for "Special K" it was the street name for Ketamine an anesthetic... Which was used as a popular recreational drug by junkies a decade or so ago. Thats why Kell and his team replaced it with "The Special One" instead. Which also emulated Kirkland Laings knickname of "The Gifted One."
You sure do know a lot about Brook's career, this is gold if I could give 2 likes I would, thanks very much at last I can put to rest my belief that the Kellogs lawyer spooked Brook. It sounds like Kell either didn't know the nickname was linked to illicit substances when he adopted it (which would likely mean he took it on because of the cereal connection) or he did and Matchroom insisted that he rebrand if they were going to be able to take him to the top.

As for the fights I have to disagree with you there, the way I see it the Welterweight division was the money division and home to the two biggest draws in boxing (including the heavyweight's at the time), it's not good enough for the promoter to be attached to a single sanctioning body (WBO) and only offer opportunities down that one route when there otherwise would be 3 additional routes to the title, Queensberry's always been in bed with the WBO and helped bring it from obscurity sure but if you can only do business with them that's no good to anyone when the champ only has a mandatory once every 12-18 months.
 

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https://shar.es/ao0KVg (click link for article..)
Cornelius was ready and willing. Once Warren started negotiations.
Team Brook went in a different direction.

For Team Brook which might have seemed like a good strategy at the time. The plan was always to talk their way into a fight with Khan. Beat him and leapfrog into superstardom. Why risk taking a tough fight and getting beat and losing the opportunity. Well things did not quite workout that way.
I’m sure Bundrage would’ve fought Kell if a suitable offer was made without options. I’m also sure Kell would’ve been interested if the contract offer wouldn’t have come with an extension that tied him down to a promoter he wasn’t getting on with.

Team Brook’s whole strategy didn’t revolve around Khan. They were happy to go along with both Warren & Hearn in using Khan’s name to build Brook’s name up but Dom always said the fight would never happen. If you remember they wanted the WBO to enforce the mandatory so that Pacquaio would have to either face Brook or in a more likely outcome vacate for bigger fights so that Brook got a shot at the vacant belt.
 
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You sure do know a lot about Brook's career, this is gold if I could give 2 likes I would, thanks very much at last I can put to rest my belief that the Kellogs lawyer spooked Brook. It sounds like Kell either didn't know the nickname was linked to illicit substances when he adopted it (which would likely mean he took it on because of the cereal connection) or he did and Matchroom insisted that he rebrand if they were going to be able to take him to the top.

As for the fights I have to disagree with you there, the way I see it the Welterweight division was the money division and home to the two biggest draws in boxing (including the heavyweight's at the time), it's not good enough for the promoter to be attached to a single sanctioning body (WBO) and only offer opportunities down that one route when there otherwise would be 3 additional routes to the title, Queensberry's always been in bed with the WBO and helped bring it from obscurity sure but if you can only do business with them that's no good to anyone when the champ only has a mandatory once every 12-18 months.
I had an obsession with Kell Brooks career ever since I read an article featuring the late great Brendan Ingle. Mentioning that he had a teenage kid in his gym. Who was gonna be a superstar. And surpass everything Prince Naseem Hamed had accomplished.

When I first saw him I thought he was super talented probably the most talented of his generation and he was going to be the British Oscar De La Hoya and a multi-weight champion.

I would read every article on Brook. And watch every interview waiting for his career to take off and Brook to become a Superstar. Well things did not quite workout that way.
 
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I had an obsession with Kell Brooks career ever since I read an article featuring the late great Brendan Ingle. Mentioning that he had a teenage kid in his gym. Who was gonna be a superstar. And surpass everything Prince Naseem Hamed had accomplished.

When I first saw him I thought he was super talented probably the most talented of his generation and he was going to be the British Oscar De La Hoya and a multi-weight champion.

I would read every article on Brook. And watch every interview waiting for his career to take off and Brook to become a Superstar. Well things did not quite workout that way.
A decent talent. But there isn't much room at the very top.
 
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I had an obsession with Kell Brooks career ever since I read an article featuring the late great Brendan Ingle. Mentioning that he had a teenage kid in his gym. Who was gonna be a superstar. And surpass everything Prince Naseem Hamed had accomplished.

When I first saw him I thought he was super talented probably the most talented of his generation and he was going to be the British Oscar De La Hoya and a multi-weight champion.

I would read every article on Brook. And watch every interview waiting for his career to take off and Brook to become a Superstar. Well things did not quite workout that way.
I totally disagree with all the above. There obsession with Khan has been next level inculding Dom that would have been a huge percentage for him from the paycheck.
I think if Kell Brook writes his biography. He will probably name that "It Was All About Khan."

Firstly the WBO and some of the others back then if they had a superstar champion. Did not enforce mandatories.

And in their rankings they would list the number (1) spot as vacant... That way their rankings would begin at number 2. And they would keep the other fighters pre-occupied in endless eliminators.

Whatsmore in the article I posted his dad clearly said. We dont want to move to 154lb the fight with Bundrage was there. It did not happen because his dad did not want it.
 
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''I’m gutted because nobody could’ve gotten me in better condition.''
I still believe he would've given most a run for their money. Just not Crawford.