Test Cricket: England win the fifth Ashes test to square the series

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The English tail took a bit of removing but an emphatic win to Australia in the end.

Outside of Stokes' heroics in single handedly winning one Test, the Aussies have dominated the series and deserved to retain the urn.
 
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Smith's performance in this series got me thinking about Alastair Cook in 10/11 in Australia. I've not compared them properly, but quick observations.

Cook averaged almost 130, scoring 766 runs in 7 innings' (1no).

Smith is at 661 from 5 so far, so he still needs over 100 runs to pass Cook and if he bats twice at the Oval they'll have batted 7 times each.

What sets Smith apart I think, is that he's yet to fail and every fucker else is having a nightmare (ML aside).

Although its easy to forget Cook's numbers, its like Smith is playing a different sport to his contemporaries.
 
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And the third umpire is not much better- relying on snicko and not on the visual evidence of the clear deflection of the ball ,from bat onto the pads.

Thankfully, the ball hit outside the line of stumps.
It was clear as fucking day that the ball went 90 degrees from the bat to the pad and the batsman challenged it immediately. What a farce.
Anyone who needs 15 replays in slow motion to see that has no business adjudicating a professional sport.
Well done Aussie(s) , in fairness the Poms would probably be leading the series 1-0 if not for Steve Smith.
 

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Well done Aussie(s) , in fairness the Poms would probably be leading the series 1-0 if not for Steve Smith.
In fairness also, if it wasn't for the single-handed, Bothamlike performance of Stokes in the 3rd Test, a Smithless Australia would have won that Test easily.
 
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Weather robbing Afghanistan of the win.
It's a total and utter disaster for them and an utter heartbreak. But it's not over, they've got 16 overs to get three wickets and Hasan is gone. They're in the tail.

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Rashid has three wickets. He could use that fivefor you were talking about.
 
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It's a total and utter disaster for them and an utter heartbreak. But it's not over, they've got 16 overs to get three wickets and Hasan is gone. They're in the tail.

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Rashid has three wickets. He could use that fivefor you were talking about.
He has his five-for, and 10 in the match.

7 overs left, of which he can bowl 3, to get the last wicket.
 

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Shit was crazy.

Fucking magic.

I’ve not seen a test victory that mattered more to those in it since I started this thread.

Tension was insane. Will scare up some highlights later.6990
 

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History made.

Great, keeping to take Hasan. Bat surrounded from the first ball back. Afghanistan held it together beautifully. Spin, spin, spin.

Celebrations at the end are beautiful.
 
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I think the reaction to the England loss has been poor from fans. There's too much emphasis on 'we have no batsmen', 'too many ODI players', 'bowling not good enough' and so on...I take issue with that because I don't think it's true, but also because it completely ignores the fact that this Australian bowling lineup is constantly threatening. Starc has bowled some beautiful deliveries, Hazelwood and Cummins will prove to be historically good and Lyon is an excellent off spinner. This attack is never going to be easy to play against and, yeah, a few deliveries should have been left alone and there are some poor choices being made but when quality bowlers have such long periods to attack over, they're going to get good players out. The Root delivery, for instance, was unplayable.

There should be some changes going forward but it doesn't need to be wholesale. I would argue that Roy should be dropped because he's not an opener and hasn't justified a position in the team lower down the order and that Denly, for all the grit he has shown at times, is just too old to warrant a place in this team. That's it though, it's not like it needs gutting. Going forward, my team would probably be:

Burns
Sibley
Root
Stokes
Foakes/Bairstow (w)
Buttler (c)
Woakes/Curran
Broad
Archer
Leach
Anderson

This team has just been outplayed by an ATG batting performance and a very good bowling attack. For me, the biggest issue should be how we keep producing terrible scores, like 67 all out, and days when the players are clearly off it, like the first day at Lancashire which was farcical. I think the team needs a coaching change more than anything.
 

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A wee glimpse at England's future future. Cook picked out the two openers young he most admired while doing some press for his knew book and they are:

HARRY BROOK

Brook was the U19 Captain but he was stripped of it and dropped for some sort of off-the-pitch malarky, but he bats in a very Cook-like fashion. Knows his way around a drive though:


Plays with a straight bat and there's some hubub about him.

ROB YATES

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I think this guy was Cook's #1 pick. "He grinds it out. Very organised."

So there are a couple of test batsmen in the making, but fuck knows what will happen to them if IPL etc. turns their heads, which is the problem. Hussain put it best when he was talking about Roy's nightmare, "will he try to change his game or continue to plunder the riches on offer in the shorter form of the game?" The answer is in the question.
 
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Burns
Sibley
Root
Stokes
Foakes/Bairstow (w)
Buttler (c)
Woakes/Curran
Broad
Archer
Leach
Anderson
That is only one change from the side England have wanted to put out all summer. I'm not sure.

Is it too knee jerk to say that Buttler and Bairstow should be fighting over one place?

What I am fairly confident in saying is that before they go to Australia in 2021, they need to have found out if the likes of Pope, Crawley, Banton et al are better red ball cricketers than those in possession because if we need to take a similar XI the chances are we get rolled again.
 

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That is only one change from the side England have wanted to put out all summer. I'm not sure.

Is it too knee jerk to say that Buttler and Bairstow should be fighting over one place?

What I am fairly confident in saying is that before they go to Australia in 2021, they need to have found out if the likes of Pope, Crawley, Banton et al are better red ball cricketers than those in possession because if we need to take a similar XI the chances are we get rolled again.
To be more critical of that lineup, I think there's an argument about Burns and Leach too but considering they've both played very little test cricket, I don't want to rush them out of the side as they've shown flashes of something really positive. Bairstow too to an extent but I'm confident that he's just in poor form and will come good again eventually. The other thing about those three, and why change is attractive, is that the youngest is 28 so it's not like they're going to be around in a decade whereas you'd hope Pope, Sibley, Parkinson etc. would be.

Having said that though, I don't think major changes are necessary. I think this team is fatigued, poorly coached and captained, and also undercooked because of the overemphasis on the World Cup, so assuming that is the case, massive change isn't what we need, it's just more ideal timing.

The Australia series in a few years likely won't be winnable regardless of the team though, I don't think. That bowling attack will just be too good and, dare I say it, but I think they'd have given the very strong English team of Strauss, Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Trott etc. a good go too.
 
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To be more critical of that lineup, I think there's an argument about Burns and Leach too but considering they've both played very little test cricket, I don't want to rush them out of the side as they've shown flashes of something really positive. Bairstow too to an extent but I'm confident that he's just in poor form and will come good again eventually. The other thing about those three, and why change is attractive, is that the youngest is 28 so it's not like they're going to be around in a decade whereas you'd hope Pope, Sibley, Parkinson etc. would be.

Having said that though, I don't think major changes are necessary. I think this team is fatigued, poorly coached and captained, and also undercooked because of the overemphasis on the World Cup, so assuming that is the case, massive change isn't what we need, it's just more ideal timing.

The Australia series in a few years likely won't be winnable regardless of the team though, I don't think. That bowling attack will just be too good and, dare I say it, but I think they'd have given the very strong English team of Strauss, Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Trott etc. a good go too.
Defintiely accept you point about WC, fatigue etc..... but I think that where I am at is, theres been too many failures from too many players (in perhaps the biggest series of their careers) for them to continue unthreatened.

If we go back to the Flower/Strauss mantra, this side has no chance of getting to 1 in the world, so let's see if there's players out there who can get us closer.

My blank sheet of paper for NZ (that's next, isn't it?) reads...

Burns
___
___

Root
Stokes
___
Bairstow/Buttler
Archer
Leach (no real alternative)
Broad
Anderson

If it's too rash to change 3 of your top 6, you look at who offers you the most whilst the other 2 settle into the side. That may actually be Denly for a short time who will slot into either spot in the top 3 and actually gives the impression of somebody who wants to play test cricket.
 
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