Test Cricket: India-South Africa, 2nd Test - South Africa humiliated; India set new world record

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A stumping no less!

Australia are 68-3 and bang in trouble. I guess this won't be over until Smith is out, but it's on its way.
 

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Broad must be the English bowler of the series despite the excellence shown by Archer? Smith is obviously the man of the series, but Broad's been absolutely fantastic. I bet he could make the Ashes in Australia if he stays fit, that would be the perfect way to bow out.

Incidentally, Cook originally targeted this Ashes series for his retirement. I wonder if he could have made any difference.
 
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Broad must be the English bowler of the series despite the excellence shown by Archer? Smith is obviously the man of the series, but Broad's been absolutely fantastic. I bet he could make the Ashes in Australia if he stays fit, that would be the perfect way to bow out.
As long as he wants to carry on playing, I don't see any reason why Broad should even be thinking about retirement. Physically, I'd argue that he's bowling as well as he ever has, it's not like he's losing speed or anything either. The same goes for Jimmy Anderson, as long as he wants to keep playing, why not? Even if his speed drops a couple of mph per ball, you could see him being very effective in England, just like we've seen from Marsh and Curran in this test and Murtagh and De Grandhomme before that. If Anderson and Broad were bowling as well as ever but were 28 and 24, would anyone be thinking they're coming to the end? Both should - based on their performances - be more of a long term staple of this side than Woakes is, for example.

It's interesting in sports, the way that we think age has to be feared at all costs. I'm a big NFL fan and there's always talk about Tom Brady aging after every loss, yet he's over 40 and still a brilliant QB yet because it goes against every conventional thought, he's still questioned.

You mentioned Cook and it's interesting with him because, physically, he could still easily be playing. His decision to retire was an odd one, I suppose it's just getting burned out. I don't think Anderson and Boad will do any time soon and from an English perspective, I hope not.
 

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Just on Leach, I'm not a fan of this bowling. I like him and he's become a cult figure but you have to be more threatening on a turning pitch as a front line spinner. You can't just allow the batsmen to use their pads to defend balls that are outside the line, over and over again, it's not threatening. It might sound harsh but I'd still look at dropping Leach and bringing in someone who has more variety. He's capable of some really nice deliveries but he just doesn't look like ripping through a team.
 

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As long as he wants to carry on playing, I don't see any reason why Broad should even be thinking about retirement. Physically, I'd argue that he's bowling as well as he ever has, it's not like he's losing speed or anything either. The same goes for Jimmy Anderson, as long as he wants to keep playing, why not? Even if his speed drops a couple of mph per ball, you could see him being very effective in England, just like we've seen from Marsh and Curran in this test and Murtagh and De Grandhomme before that. If Anderson and Broad were bowling as well as ever but were 28 and 24, would anyone be thinking they're coming to the end? Both should - based on their performances - be more of a long term staple of this side than Woakes is, for example.
I know what you mean, but I think what we forget is how painful it is; how badly you sleep; how much pressure you feel; and how, when you feel yourself slip by that 1% (which is what Cook describes in his book) you start to not want it. You can make yourself but it's not the same and nor is your performance. Plus, there's that fear of embarrassment. There's that fear of tarnishing your legacy with becoming shit suddenly.

Broad will have ongoing niggles that are permanent, that will never leave him; in later life he will have his knees, ankles and hips replaced, or some of them. He will develop arthritis in middle age. At some point, I think, most people just go "that's enough" however well they are bowling/batting.

But, I love Anderson and I like Broad - even as someone who is not the a fan of the English team I hope they continue for years. Not sure we'll see it though.
 

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Root got a wicket! Got Marsh. Just stepped, stooped, pushed, very poor. Well done Joe, yet another English all-rounder.

148-5.
 

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That Archer-Wade duel was something else, dunno if anybody else caught it. Lots of chat lots of very fast bowling, and Wade wins the round to get to a century. And getting by that 8 over spell where Archer looked to butcher his Shield Captain :lol: was only a part of what he had to do to get to the three figures. Very well done that man. Shame it's going to be for nothing.
 

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Wade's been stumped by Bairstow through Root though! 117, well done fella. Root has boweld like a full-timer today, all kidding aside. Great round of applause as he goes off.

260-8
 

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England knock off the two remaining wickets in a clatter to win the final test of the series and square it at 2-2. Australia have been marginally the better team I think, Smith the difference between the two sides, but England are good for their draw based upon that stunning Stokes innings and upon their superior play in this fifth and final game.

22 years at a minimum will have elapsed before Australia will win a series in England, it's become a difficult place for them to come.

But there are some great Australian captains who can't say what Tim Paine can say: he came to England and retained the ashes.
 
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Finished 2-2 and the only team who were going to win the rained off test was England. Would have been 3-2 England without any rain.
That is equally true.

But, overall, I like the Australian cricket better. So do Sky Sports. So do TMS. It's Smith.
 

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And Stokes gets the man of the series for England, averaging 55 and with that innings in tow, who else was going to get it really?
 

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No prizes for guessing who the man of the series for Australia is. Dude got 12 catches, just unreal all round...and no booing from the crowd for a change.
 
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I don't have much to add. Probably , a fair outcome for the series. in the end.

Liked that hostile fast spell of bowling by Archer to his Tasmanian teammate, Wade. Half-chance in the slips fending off an express short ball . Probably deserved Wade's scalp.