Test Cricket: Sri-Lanka-New Zealand II; England-Australia III; West Indies-India I

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Ali has been useless. I much prefer leg spinners to off anyway, but the one real benefit of an off spinner is that they should be able to bowl more consistently and hold an end down to build pressure. Ali hasn't. Rashid is less controlled but at least he poses a threat, Ali is neither posing a threat or building pressure. This pitch was turning square for Lyon so it's not an unthreatening wicket but the fact that Root has posed more of a threat and bowled better is ridiculous.

Sadly, I very much doubt that England will look at bringing two new bowlers in for the next test.
Yeah, and on top of that, Ali gives his wicket away in a sequence of ridiculous ways.
 

Haggis

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Put this way, using the old 'bat for your life' thing...if you have to pick a batsman to bat for your life against an attack of McGrath, Murali, Warne, Anderson, Wasim etc., would anyone be confident enough to pick the statistical anomaly, Bradman? Or would you go with a Ponting, Sobers, Dravid etc.?
I'd pick Bradman. At his peak, in 16 Test innings he scored 5 double tons and a triple.

He's one of 4 players to score two Test triple centuries, and he played between 100 and 150 fewer Test innings than the other 3 guys did.

He's STILL the record holder for most double centuries in Test cricket. Sangakkarra has 11 in 232 innings, Bradman scored 12 in 80 innings.

With that level of statistical outlier, and with the consistency of statistical performance across a century or more (including Bradman's time all the way to our time) there is only one choice to make. :thumbsup

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Haggis

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They've been shit. Denly, Bairstow, Buttler and Ali scored fewer runs than Broad. The bowling has been insipid and Root has been negative with his field a lot.
Yep, and Siddle scored more runs than the entire Aussie top order except for Smith. And the game - let alone the series - is still very much alive.

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Yep, and Siddle scored more runs than the entire Aussie top order except for Smith. And the game - let alone the series - is still very much alive.

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Yeah your guys have not been great, but I didn't comment on your team. Smith has been outstanding, and others have chipped in, and you've bowled okay. We've bowled badly bar the first half day. Our fielding set up has been negative on multiple occasions in both innings, our spinner has looked crap for most of his overs, and Smith looks like getting a century in every innings. :lol:

Also..the WC result is irrelevant. We've been the best 1 day team for ages. But this is a different team and a different game, as you know, and so far...we've been poor.
 
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I don't think England have been that bad.

Smith has scored 280+ runs. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge you've been outplayed by a superior player.

And we lost Anderson after 4 overs.
 
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Haggis

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Yeah your guys have not been great, but I didn't comment on your team. Smith has been outstanding, and others have chipped in, and you've bowled okay. We've bowled badly bar the first half day. Our fielding set up has been negative on multiple occasions in both innings, our spinner has looked crap for most of his overs, and Smith looks like getting a century in every innings. :lol:

Also..the WC result is irrelevant. We've been the best 1 day team for ages. But this is a different team and a different game, as you know, and so far...we've been poor.
So far you have had Australia in a worse position in the game than Australia has had you in. And if Australia didn't have one of the all-time great elite batsmen - in his prime and playing probably his best match ever - in the side, then you would probably have squashed my boys by an innings. Oh and you lost your most experienced bowler about ten minutes into the series.

But all I'm hearing - from you and others - is just how shit they are. It's like you all expect them to win every session of every day of every Ashes Test and if they don't, then they're failures. You (not just you personally, lots of you) seem to have unrealistic expectations for them, and to slate them unmercifully for....... not crushing Australia in four days???

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I don't think England have been that bad.

Smith has scored 280+ runs. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge you've been outplayed by a superior player.

And we lost Anderson after 4 overs.
A fit Anderson would be a great opponent for Smith in this series. It'll be interesting to see if/when he can make it back.
 
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So far you have had Australia in a worse position in the game than Australia has had you in. And if Australia didn't have one of the all-time great elite batsmen - in his prime and playing probably his best match ever - in the side, then you would probably have squashed my boys by an innings. Oh and you lost your most experienced bowler about ten minutes into the series.

But all I'm hearing - from you and others - is just how shit they are. It's like you all expect them to win every session of every day of every Ashes Test and if they don't, then they're failures. You (not just you personally, lots of you) seem to have unrealistic expectations for them, and to slate them unmercifully for....... not crushing Australia in four days???

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Nope. I slate them for collapsing in utterly predictable fashion the moment Stokes went, and for gifting their wickets away. I slate them for bowling like shit for almost an entire innings and for Root sticking men on the boundaries and just allowing Smith to tick along with easy 1's and 2's. I wouldn't back us to chase down 280, so unless it rains this one looks done. Maybe they will prove resilient and eek out a draw, but you wouldn't bet on most of them to not just toss away their wickets.

Who am I confident will do a decent job with the bat more often than not? Root and Stokes. Buttler is dangerous, so despite being disappointing on a few occasions, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. The rest of them don't inspire much confidence.
 

DB Cooper

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Super batting performance by Australia. Obviously headed by Smith but worthy efforts from a few others in particular Wade.
 

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I can’t work out if it’s stupid arrogance, blind optimism or “just one of those things”
To only get through 4 overs? If they truly knew he wasn’t 100% you’d expect heads to roll
 
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I honestly feel bad for Moeen. There was a time when he would bail England out of collapse after collapse, the way Curran has more recently, only in much more spectacular fashion, and with even greater frequency. His bowling came on, but apparently at the expense of his batting, and now sadly he has become depleted on both fronts. Rashid would undoubtedly be a better bet, but I fear he is just as unlikely to deliver the silver bullet to Smith this series, and that responsibility now falls to Jofra... That's one helluva burden to stick a young lad with who has exactly 0 test matches under his belt. Edgbaston was clearly chosen as the first test to get an early tick in the win column - and it will now be faintly miraculous if we escape with a draw from it. The utterly tedious Steve Smith redemption story is in full effect, and we have the rest of the summer now to sit back and enjoy the fucker.
 

DB Cooper

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I honestly feel bad for Moeen. There was a time when he would bail England out of collapse after collapse, the way Curran has more recently, only in much more spectacular fashion, and with even greater frequency. His bowling came on, but apparently at the expense of his batting, and now sadly he has become depleted on both fronts. Rashid would undoubtedly be a better bet, but I fear he is just as unlikely to deliver the silver bullet to Smith this series, and that responsibility now falls to Jofra... That's one helluva burden to stick a young lad with who has exactly 0 test matches under his belt. Edgbaston was clearly chosen as the first test to get an early tick in the win column - and it will now be faintly miraculous if we escape with a draw from it. The utterly tedious Steve Smith redemption story is in full effect, and we have the rest of the summer now to sit back and enjoy the fucker.
Smith has served his time and resumed making runs like he never left. What's tedious?
 
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No 10 ,JImmy Anderson (the wounded LION) majestically making his way to the pitch. :hat
 
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Fair play Australia,other forum great win because of the one day schedule away teams almost always come in undercooked due to not getting warm up games.

Englamd will play Archer,Curran next test Denly will never play for England again,Bairstow will get axed also if they want to play Ali if they want the other spin option leach comes in for him.

Buttler keeps wicket if Bairstow stumped,think England will be far better at Lords.Couldn't get any worse.
 
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DB Cooper

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Thumping win.

Australia went in with the right X1 and got the job done.

Ominously, Warner is due in the 2nd Test.