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Well Burns wasn't poor.

The point i'm trying to make is that yeah, Australia did outbat England but only because a) Smith got 290 (he doesn't do that, Oz lose) and b) because they also outbowled England. This always gets overlooked. England losing their best player who was also a bowler had an important part to play in this.

Australia only outbatted England because of Smith and only outbowled England because of Anderson.

The media's reaction has been very much results based.



Disagree.

Someone like Bairstow is a good example. Bairstow's average in Test Cricket since January 2018 is, I think, 22. I'm not 100% on that, but I think it's the case. So that's completely pathetic and nothing to build a series on. Anyone expecting him to make runs against this attack, no, probably wasn't going to happen, probably won't happen. He's not that good at Test Cricket. I can say that because even if he makes a double ton next match, his average for the form period isn't going to get over 32.

Buttler, special, special player. At one-day. At 20-20. His average in Tests is 35ish. He's not that good at Test Cricket.

Stokes's average is lower than Buttler's. His last century in a test match was 2017 or early 2018, whenever the Windies were over. He's not that good at test-batting.

Ali's form with the bat in the last 18 months has been disastrous.

This test series is a battle of the bowlers and it will remain one. England go from marginal favourites to marginal underdogs without their greatest bowler of all time. The wildcard becomes Archer; if he can replace Anderson's wickets, England will become slight favourites on a game by game basis once more.
Fair enough, to me though...there's nothing about Buttler or Stokes that says they should not be good at test batting. But I am no expert...I just feel that the talent is there for them to be batting better as a team. If Bairstow is that poor...we may as well drop him. It's not like we don't have lots of wicket keeper options.
 

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Fair enough, to me though...there's nothing about Buttler or Stokes that says they should not be good at test batting. But I am no expert...I just feel that the talent is there for them to be batting better as a team. If Bairstow is that poor...we may as well drop him. It's not like we don't have lots of wicket keeper options.
Well they're good, yeah...they're just not that good. They're a little over-appreciated in the format, I think it's fair to say.

Yeah, Bairstow should definitely be dropped but probably for Foakes, who might not be ready for Lords. His test average is double Bairstow's, I think, since his first test and considering JB's innings in the same period. I've some sympathy for those saying Curran in for Bairstow now, but tbh I'd expect Bairstow to deliver more runs than Curran and I imagine he would bowl behind everyone in the team - last choice. So probably Bairstow gets one last chance and "something to prove" Bairstow is supposed to be the best Bairstow so we'll see.
 

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Fair enough, to me though...there's nothing about Buttler or Stokes that says they should not be good at test batting. But I am no expert...I just feel that the talent is there for them to be batting better as a team. If Bairstow is that poor...we may as well drop him. It's not like we don't have lots of wicket keeper options.
Tests are completely different from the other forms. They demand far more than simple hand-eye coordination. That's why they aren't called Easies. :lol:

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Well they're good, yeah...they're just not that good. They're a little over-appreciated in the format, I think it's fair to say.

Yeah, Bairstow should definitely be dropped but probably for Foakes, who might not be ready for Lords. His test average is double Bairstow's, I think, since his first test and considering JB's innings in the same period. I've some sympathy for those saying Curran in for Bairstow now, but tbh I'd expect Bairstow to deliver more runs than Curran and I imagine he would bowl behind everyone in the team - last choice. So probably Bairstow gets one last chance and "something to prove" Bairstow is supposed to be the best Bairstow so we'll see.
Curran would outscore Bairstow IMO. He has shown up pretty much any time he's been picked, and his bowling might be last choice but it offers something a bit different. Curran has played 18 innings with an average of 31.8, with 3 50's and no centuries. But...he's also come in multiple times with England in a mess and had to attack to try and get some runs on the board.

He's bowled in 17 innings and got 18 wickets, with an economy of 3.4, 22 maidens...not sure how good that is, but to me it means that a young lad who has played in several tests where we've been up against it has, on average, taken a wicket and scored over 30 in each innings he's played. And he's coming it at like 8 and not a first choice bowler.
 

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Curran would outscore Bairstow IMO. He has shown up pretty much any time he's been picked, and his bowling might be last choice but it offers something a bit different. Curran has played 18 innings with an average of 31.8, with 3 50's and no centuries. But...he's also come in multiple times with England in a mess and had to attack to try and get some runs on the board.

He's bowled in 17 innings and got 18 wickets, with an economy of 3.4, 22 maidens...not sure how good that is, but to me it means that a young lad who has played in several tests where we've been up against it has, on average, taken a wicket and scored over 30 in each innings he's played. And he's coming it at like 8 and not a first choice bowler.
Yeah, good player. You could stick Buttler behind the stumps and not notice the difference I think...then you could drop whoever was off-form for Foakes.
 
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I know what you're saying, and I am not saying he should get a century, what I meant really was that this century does not convince me that he will be a solid opener for us who regularly stays in for a long time and adds on 45-60 runs on a fairly regular basis. He looks like someone who is going to generally be out for about 25. It is probably harsh
Often you have to look at how the runs are scored as much as how many they scored.

24% of his shots were false strokes, he played and missed over 30 times. He was also plum LBW for about 20 and they failed to review.

I saw nothing that suggests he will score regular runs.
 
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Often you have to look at how the runs are scored as much as how many they scored.

24% of his shots were false strokes, he played and missed over 30 times. He was also plum LBW for about 20 and they failed to review.

I saw nothing that suggests he will score regular runs.
Yeah agreed, and those stats are even more convincing that just the feeling I got from watching him.
 
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Ali is mentally fucked.

When he shaves his morning beard and gets a nick, Nathan Lyon jumps out of the medicine cabinet and screams “catch him!!!!!”
 

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Ali is mentally fucked.

When he shaves his morning beard and gets a nick, Nathan Lyon jumps out of the medicine cabinet and screams “catch him!!!!!”
I can't remember which promoter was talking about a fighter who was very prone to getting cuts. He complained that "I call him up to offer him a fight, and he needs six stitches from picking up the phone." :lol:

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The announcement of the England 12 for the second test at Lord's (did I mention I have tickets?) reflects a calmer attitude than that adopted by the media.

Ali, inevitably, out, Leach in.

Anderson is out with injury so Jofre Archer comes in to make his proper cricket debut.

Archer is coming in in fierce form having brutalised the opposition in a second 11 match.

England squad for second Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jack Leach, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes.

The only excitement would be Bairstow or Denly out and Curran in; can't see it myself.
 

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The efforts by English press to elevate Root into a "big four" are embarrassing and rather typical.

Root is a special, special player. He's also one of my favourite batsmen to watch. But he's not up there with Kohli and Smith and Williamson in any four. You could argue that Williamson isn't in with Smith, even, though that's more to do with Smith being a true outrider even where that three is concerned.
 

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First day looks a wash out.

Happily, it is very sunny in Sri Lanka where New Zealand are returning the favour and visiting The Lions.

Big news from this morning's play is that Kane was taken for a duck by Akila Dananjaya (full name Mahamarakkala Kurukulasooriya Patabendige Akila Dananjaya Perera).

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Look at him.

He's an all-rounder who bats left handed and bowls off-break right-handed.

Today, as well as taking Williamson caught behind for 0, caught at mid-wicket after being trapped in two minds by some awful variation, he took both openers. Fair effort.

New Zealand are 139/3

Ross Taylor 47
Henry Nichols 27
 
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Mahamarakkala Kurukulasooriya Patabendige Akila Dananjaya Perera has taken 5-50. He's been unplayable at times, lots of variations, spinning in to the bat. He's kept his team right in this.

At tea NZ are 179-5 on a pitch where you need 370, probably, though with SL you never know.

And this is a huge two test series for NZ - they are hot on the heels of India for the #1 spot and need 2-0 here to stay there.

Ross Taylor, not out 70, carrying his teams hopes.