The Authentic Official Robert "The Reaper" Whittaker Undefeated, Undisputed Middleweight Champion / General MMA Thread

Who do you WANT to win? (Not who do you think WILL win)

  • I want the Fighting Irish to win

  • I want the 209 to represent again

  • I just want a good, action-packed fight like the last one

  • Test to see if I can change the poll?

  • Are these options 4 and 5?


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May 31, 2012
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Amazing that Khabib has never been submitted at AKA but let’s be honest a real fight is different as nobody has ever tried to submit him at AKA after butchering him with elbows for 4 rounds 20 minutes deep into a title fight

Yeah. Rockhold’s probably got the best BJJ at AKA and I’m not sure how hard he’d roll with Khabib considering he’s 50lb heavier.

As you say, the strikes and accumulated damage make a difference, too.

I just think there was a chink in Khabib’s armour with that guillotine. Maybe he was extremely confident of defending it, but it looked careless.
 

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Yeah, I agree with that. Tony’s legitimately a bit mentally ill, I think. Just an absolute animal.

I can’t see Khabib demoralising him, and I can’t see him outworking him.
Yeah people always tire by trying to stand up vs Khabib but if Tony just goes with him and plays guard for a few rounds we could potentially see the championship rounds where Khabib is gassed and Tony comes on strong

Tony being Tony and his wacky unorthodox ways make this so very interesting
 
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Yeah people always tire by trying to stand up vs Khabib but if Tony just goes with him and plays guard for a few rounds we could potentially see the championship rounds where Khabib is gassed and Tony comes on strong

Tony being Tony and his wacky unorthodox ways make this so very interesting

I just hope it actually happens this time. I think I’d quit watching MMA if it falls through again.
 
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If that had ever happened I think we’d have heard about it.
Probably, but his team are unlikely to say it, and my point really was that Ferguson or anyone else's chances are only slightly diminished by the fact he has never tapped. If Ferguson locked in a good enough choke and Khabib couldn't escape it, the fact he won't tap would be irrelevant.

Obviously the fact he hasn't also indicates how hard it is to get him in such a position, but let's be honest if he's in camp and someone gets in a deep kimura, and he doesn't tap, they're not going to break his arm are they? They're going to release it and just think "dickhead".
 

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Obviously the fact he hasn't also indicates how hard it is to get him in such a position, but let's be honest if he's in camp and someone gets in a deep kimura, and he doesn't tap, they're not going to break his arm are they? They're going to release it and just think "dickhead".
i was trying to think of a diplomatic way of saying this.
 
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But he might have been choked out. I don't think he'd tap, but if he's asleep then it doesn't matter that he didn't.

Tapped and choked unconscious both mean submitted in real terms, I reckon.

If you choke someone unconscious, you won by submission.
 
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Tapped and choked unconscious both mean submitted in real terms, I reckon.

If you choke someone unconscious, you won by submission.
Exactly, but with many submissions they will never go that far in training. Guy gets an armbar in training, he expects the other guy to tap, by way of saying "you got me" and they stop and start again. If a guy gets Khabib in camp but Khabib won't tap, he's unlikely to snap his arm or choke him out...he will release it and think Khabib is a dick.

Of course, he might simply have never been caught in a submission he couldn't escape, but that seems highly unlikely. The coach is suggesting that back in 2008 he was already so good that nobody in any camp could ever get him?

He might refuse to tap, but that's different to someone having no chance of finishing him with a submission.

But yeah, I guess if he had been choked out in camp, they wouldn't class that as him never tapping.
 
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Khabib is an anomaly.
He has the worst stand-up posture all rigid and stiff and should be Taylor made for a knockout artist. But nobody can hit him clean and if they do his chin is granite so he doesn’t flinch.
I don’t believe the “Poirier nearly finished him” narrative after what I’ve been hearing in this thread, I think Khabib was totally comfortable in the position he was in.
I also don’t believe he’s never tapped in training as much as I believe any other sparring story, at some point he has been stopped. Maybe not in the last 10 years but at one point in his life he was shitting in his hands and rubbing it in his face - he hasn’t done that for 10 years either.
 
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Khabib is an anomaly.
He has the worst stand-up posture all rigid and stiff and should be Taylor made for a knockout artist. But nobody can hit him clean and if they do his chin is granite so he doesn’t flinch.
I don’t believe the “Poirier nearly finished him” narrative after what I’ve been hearing in this thread, I think Khabib was totally comfortable in the position he was in.
I also don’t believe he’s never tapped in training as much as I believe any other sparring story, at some point he has been stopped. Maybe not in the last 10 years but at one point in his life he was shitting in his hands and rubbing it in his face - he hasn’t done that for 10 years either.

Poirier didn’t nearly finish him, but a better guillotine could.

The simple fact that someone got Khabib’s neck in a deep guillotine is all we’re going on. Poirier didn’t quite have the ability to finish it, and neither would loads of other UFC fighters. The top BJJ guys like Maia, Kron Gracie, and Jacaré would finish someone from that exact position.

I think the general consensus is that Khabib was comfortable defending that guillotine in particular, but it just showed a weakness/carelessness that we hadn’t seen before in terms of grappling.
 
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I honestly think that’s Khabib’s greatest asset. You can literally see his opponent’s soul leave through their eyes. I saw it with Barboza, and I saw it with Poirier as soon as Khabib’s head popped out of that guillotine and he went straight to his back with two on one arm control. You could see that exact submission was Poirier’s entire plan, and it was closer than anyone else had come, tbf.

To spend 4 months preparing to defend takedowns and clinches on the fence, and then finish round 1 having been absolutely dominated in those exact areas must be so demoralising. It must feel like all hope is fucking lost and the whole training camp was pointless.
Imagine what he must have felt like when both of those switches he tried ended with him being mounted and back mounted. That would have thrown off anyone else.
 
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Poirier didn’t nearly finish him, but a better guillotine could.

The simple fact that someone got Khabib’s neck in a deep guillotine is all we’re going on. Poirier didn’t quite have the ability to finish it, and neither would loads of other UFC fighters. The top BJJ guys like Maia, Kron Gracie, and Jacaré would finish someone from that exact position.

I think the general consensus is that Khabib was comfortable defending that guillotine in particular, but it just showed a weakness/carelessness that we hadn’t seen before in terms of grappling.
True. To add a little bit of fairness, he said outright that he let Poirier have the second one because he knew it'd finish tiring him out.
 
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But he might have been choked out. I don't think he'd tap, but if he's asleep then it doesn't matter that he didn't.
His coach went on to tell a story about the time he saw a div 1 wrestler Kyle Crutchmer have Khabib in a choke and he thought 'ohhh, he's about to tap for the first time ever' and get his camera out so he could say 'ah sucker, you said you've never tapped before', but he relaxed and escaped the hold.

He also said that in the guillotine, he was laughing because he knew there was no way he would finish him and he'd blow his arms out trying.

I don't think they're saying he doesn't tap, but lets himself be put to sleep - I think they're saying he just can't be submitted.
 

Haggis

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He turned down the fight with Holloway for the interim belt
Yeah and I remember thinking that was weird and stupid, but then it came out that he's a full-blown nutcase. I actually think he shouldn't be fighting at all, given his obvious and serious mental health problems and apparently tenuous grasp on reality.

:hat
 
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His coach went on to tell a story about the time he saw a div 1 wrestler Kyle Crutchmer have Khabib in a choke and he thought 'ohhh, he's about to tap for the first time ever' and get his camera out so he could say 'ah sucker, you said you've never tapped before', but he relaxed and escaped the hold.

He also said that in the guillotine, he was laughing because he knew there was no way he would finish him and he'd blow his arms out trying.

I don't think they're saying he doesn't tap, but lets himself be put to sleep - I think they're saying he just can't be submitted.


Yeah, that’s how interpret that as well.

Saying that you never tap but regularly getting choked unconscious or getting limbs broken would be the worst boast ever.