The Authentic Official Robert "The Reaper" Whittaker Undefeated, Undisputed Middleweight Champion / General MMA Thread

Who do you WANT to win? (Not who do you think WILL win)

  • I want the Fighting Irish to win

  • I want the 209 to represent again

  • I just want a good, action-packed fight like the last one

  • Test to see if I can change the poll?

  • Are these options 4 and 5?


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Haggis

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We might see a calmer patient measured mcgregor this time. Hes been quiet, demeanor and personality have changed in a big way since Diaz knocked him on his arse.

Only guessing but I think mystic mac has something special planned, whatever happens. a new level to rise again. Every fight is a level above the last (barring the upset obviously)
Dan Hardy breaks down the first fight. One of the best analysts in the game. He, Cruz and Mir are levels above the other fighters as TV fight analysts. Would like to see him spending more time cageside as a commentator - he's a natural and seems like a likeable guy as well.


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One thing I've noticed..
I probably saw all of Robbie Lawlors early fIghts on replay or not quite live.
I've always wondered if his tramp stamp tattoo would be finished for his next outing in the octagon.
It looks a quarter finished and has been a pretty shithouse tattoo since about UFC24.
 

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I think Conor is doing the right things in focusing more on cardio and less on little things like balance, but I still don't think it will be enough. Conor's stamina is not going to reach Diaz's level and his one punch power is not good enough to KO Nate at this weight imo.

I think the fight goes a similar way but spread out over 4 rounds rather than 2. And I think Nate might stop him against the cage, on their feet, rather than by a grappling submission. I've watched the fight a few times now and McGregor's whole advantage on the feet is down to speed. Once he get's tired Diaz will be too much for him again.

I want Diaz to win as well tbh. The first fight I didn't care who won as I liked both of them and after the fight I enjoyed the honesty of Conor's interviews. But since then he's started talking rubbish and it's just boring now. It's not clever or interesting.

The only way Conor wins this is by cuts. Which is possible tbf. But a lot less likely than Diaz winning by any other means.
 
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Ah, Diaz. What a G. Doesn't fight for a full year. Comes back and scores an upset against a contender who was on a tear. Wins an easy decision while clowning him the whole time. Gets on the mic on Fox network TV (not PPV) and rolls out maybe the greatest callout in UFC history. He is nowhere near a Conor fight at this stage, MacGregor has plans that don't involve Nate Diaz even a little bit. But Diaz doesn't care and puts himself in the running in fine style by dropping half a dozen F bombs and assorted curse words, knowing full well that the Fox and UFC execs are raging out at him. But unfortunately for them, Nate Diaz gives zero fucks about broadcasting language standards. :lol:

Couple of months later, MacGregor's opponent at 155 gets injured and suddenly the UFC realizes that the fans want Nate Diaz. So he gets the fight, and the rest is MMA history. But it wouldn't have happened without this callout:


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Ah, Diaz. What a G. Doesn't fight for a full year. Comes back and scores an upset against a contender who was on a tear. Wins an easy decision while clowning him the whole time. Gets on the mic on Fox network TV (not PPV) and rolls out maybe the greatest callout in UFC history. He is nowhere near a Conor fight at this stage, MacGregor has plans that don't involve Nate Diaz even a little bit. But Diaz doesn't care and puts himself in the running in fine style by dropping half a dozen F bombs and assorted curse words, knowing full well that the Fox and UFC execs are raging out at him. But unfortunately for them, Nate Diaz gives zero fucks about broadcasting language standards. :lol:

Couple of months later, MacGregor's opponent at 155 gets injured and suddenly the UFC realizes that the fans want Nate Diaz. So he gets the fight, and the rest is MMA history. But it wouldn't have happened without this callout:


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It wasn't a case of.mcgregor gassing, he hit Diaz with everything he had and Diaz took it and rocked mcgregor and finished him off, 3Rd Round Diaz stoppage
 
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I'm nowhere near his biggest fan, but I will always respect the guy. He's a REAL fighter. I couldn't stand it when boxing wankers talked shit about him after losing to Nate the first time around. Give me the name of a single high-profile boxer who would go anywhere NEAR an opponent of Diaz' calibre on 11 days notice to start with - let alone change the weight class and jump up FIFTEEN extra pounds at the last minute so that his naturally much bigger opponent wouldn't be forced to drain himself to make 155 and could fight comfortably at 170 instead.

But Conor is more than willing to run his mouth and then do everything he can to back it up. He's shown that repeatedly. And when the cage door closes, Conor fights aggressively, always looking to finish. He's a kill or be killed kind of guy who isn't afraid to put himself RIGHT out there and risk being humiliated, and I love that. He also handled the defeat well, made no excuses and went right out of his way to make the immediate rematch. Most fighters would have run away from a Diaz rematch and blamed Diaz' size for the loss - Conor wouldn't accept anything other than another chance to get in there with him and change the outcome.

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Sometimes you're the counter part to the "boxing wanker" segment of the online community and you are better than that. Most people on here can have a reasonable discussion about MMA and I'll bet they'll watch this one. Trying to throw shit back at the people trolling MMA put's normal posters off discussing it. I.E the name one high profile boxer above schtick. You know there's countless examples of that kind of grab the bull by the horns mentality in both sports and trying to claim it as some kind of comparative victory is detrimental to the discussion.
Regarding the fight I think Diaz in the later rounds, Connor will light him up early but then get worn down.
 

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Sometimes you're the counter part to the "boxing wanker" segment of the online community and you are better than that. Most people on here can have a reasonable discussion about MMA and I'll bet they'll watch this one. Trying to throw shit back at the people trolling MMA put's normal posters off discussing it. I.E the name one high profile boxer above schtick. You know there's countless examples of that kind of grab the bull by the horns mentality in both sports and trying to claim it as some kind of comparative victory is detrimental to the discussion.
I don't think there are "countless examples" of that sort of thing. At least, not anymore. I used to be a boxing nut. The kind of guy who would send away orders overseas for custom VCR compilation tapes because that was the only way I had to watch guys like RJJ and Toney. I stopped watching boxing because I got sick of being shit on time and time again. All the bullshit with endless contract negotiations and five different "champions" who all refuse to fight each other. Maybe I'm wrong because I no longer keep up with it, but can you give me a few examples of a still-active big-name boxer having an opponent pull out of a fight and replaced on short notice by a legit top-5 guy?

And for the record, there's plenty of MMA wankers too. Plenty of ignorant bandwagon jumpers and fairweather fans and Tapout blowhards getting drunk and screaming "Bro do you even train UFC?". (Though admittedly that seems to have died down a little bit these last few years.)

Regarding the fight I think Diaz in the later rounds, Connor will light him up early but then get worn down.
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I don't think there are "countless examples" of that sort of thing. At least, not anymore. I used to be a boxing nut. The kind of guy who would send away orders overseas for custom VCR compilation tapes because that was the only way I had to watch guys like RJJ and Toney. I stopped watching boxing because I got sick of being shit on time and time again. All the bullshit with endless contract negotiations and five different "champions" who all refuse to fight each other. Maybe I'm wrong because I no longer keep up with it, but can you give me a few examples of a still-active big-name boxer having an opponent pull out of a fight and replaced on short notice by a legit top-5 guy?

And for the record, there's plenty of MMA wankers too. Plenty of ignorant bandwagon jumpers and fairweather fans and Tapout blowhards getting drunk and screaming "Bro do you even train UFC?". (Though admittedly that seems to have died down a little bit these last few years.)



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Top level boxers don't tend to train like idiots and in terms of camps and preparation they are years ahead of MMA fighters. You don't see top boxers regularly pulling out of big fights a week before, it very rarely happens. Fighters constantly pulling out in the UFC is one of the biggest problems in the sport and it stems from amateur training techniques and poor fight camps. At the lower level boxers pull out all the time and regularly fight same day opponents. At the top level, fighters are better prepared and there's often too much money on the line to simply shot someone else in there.

Diaz or Conor could turn around tomorrow and say they are injured and the fight is off, no one would be surprised. It's not a good thing that we constantly get contests that are on 10 days notice. There's plenty of boxers who would step in and fight anyone, if you don't believe that then you clearly don't know much about the sport or it's fighters.
 
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I don't think there are "countless examples" of that sort of thing. At least, not anymore. I used to be a boxing nut. The kind of guy who would send away orders overseas for custom VCR compilation tapes because that was the only way I had to watch guys like RJJ and Toney. I stopped watching boxing because I got sick of being shit on time and time again. All the bullshit with endless contract negotiations and five different "champions" who all refuse to fight each other. Maybe I'm wrong because I no longer keep up with it, but can you give me a few examples of a still-active big-name boxer having an opponent pull out of a fight and replaced on short notice by a legit top-5 guy?

And for the record, there's plenty of MMA wankers too. Plenty of ignorant bandwagon jumpers and fairweather fans and Tapout blowhards getting drunk and screaming "Bro do you even train UFC?". (Though admittedly that seems to have died down a little bit these last few years.)



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The specifics of Connor taking on Diaz at short notice and moving up two weights are fairly unique as it meant potential opponents didn't have to crash weight. So it's hard to get exact parallels but off the top of my head Bellew offered to fight Clev the first time on a few days notice, Wlad fought Chagaev on comparatively short after haye pulled out IIRC, Brook and Khan have both effectively moved up two weights on 1 camp to fight legit guys.
Yeah I know there's morons on both side of the debate, not feeding them was my point.
 
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um....I'm kind of in agreement with chael sonnen on this one. Conor fought his fight, and he could not come anywhere near sustaining it. Diaz had none of the timing that comes from sparring,and walked into a ton of shots, early on.

Conor gassed. He wanted out and got out. He could do a much better job of conserving his energy, but that's his style. He overwhelms you with well timed hammering shots while darting in and out. 3 months just doesn't extend a gas tank by THAT much in real life. maybe he's got something up his sleeve though.
 

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Top level boxers don't tend to train like idiots and in terms of camps and preparation they are years ahead of MMA fighters. You don't see top boxers regularly pulling out of big fights a week before, it very rarely happens. Fighters constantly pulling out in the UFC is one of the biggest problems in the sport and it stems from amateur training techniques and poor fight camps. At the lower level boxers pull out all the time and regularly fight same day opponents. At the top level, fighters are better prepared and there's often too much money on the line to simply shot someone else in there.

Diaz or Conor could turn around tomorrow and say they are injured and the fight is off, no one would be surprised. It's not a good thing that we constantly get contests that are on 10 days notice. There's plenty of boxers who would step in and fight anyone, if you don't believe that then you clearly don't know much about the sport or it's fighters.
Part of that is just the nature of the sport though. If you're going through camp after camp of training eight-point striking, grappling and wrestling, then you're going to get injured - it's just an inevitability. GSP blew his ACL out twice and you can't tell me that guy trains like a meathead. Couple that with a lot of guys with wrestling backgrounds beating the hell out of their bodies with brutal training and ridiculous weight cuts since they were kids, and injuries are going to be common.

Agreed that it's still a young sport and they're still developing MMA-specific training styles. They will improve over time. It seems silly to deny that at this point in both sport's histories, MMA fighters and fans are far more receptive to top contenders fighting each other and quality opponents stepping in at short notice. But this is not a boxing vs MMA thread. This is a Conor vs Nate thread. :good

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Part of that is just the nature of the sport though. If you're going through camp after camp of training eight-point striking, grappling and wrestling, then you're going to get injured - it's just an inevitability. GSP blew his ACL out twice and you can't tell me that guy trains like a meathead. Couple that with a lot of guys with wrestling backgrounds beating the hell out of their bodies with brutal training and ridiculous weight cuts since they were kids, and injuries are going to be common.

Agreed that it's still a young sport and they're still developing MMA-specific training styles. They will improve over time. It seems silly to deny that at this point in both sport's histories, MMA fighters and fans are far more receptive to top contenders fighting each other and quality opponents stepping in at short notice. But this is not a boxing vs MMA thread. This is a Conor vs Nate thread. :good

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Obviously the type of training has an impact, but there's too many examples of high profile gyms with constant pull outs, a lot related to ridiculous strength and conditioning too close to the fight or sparring injuries that could have been avoided. Just watch Cain do a strength and conditioning workout, or even someone like Tony Ferguson. No top ten boxer would be allowed to put that kind of strain on their body that close to a fight.

Last minute opponents simply aren't an option in Boxing as it rarely happens. The reasons MMA fighters and fans are more receptive to last minute opponents is because it happens all the time, you have guys who literally train their ass off in preparation for someone dropping out, it's that common. There's a lot more money involved in Boxing as well, if Mayweather V Pacquiao got called off a week before for an injury, they wouldn't be flying Tim Bradley in, it would be rescheduled.

I think you are a bit off on your view of Conor, he looks more focused than he ever has done at this point. He is sparring exclusively with world class lanky southpaws and has had a much bigger BJJ world champion in his camp for the last 10 weeks. He has been doing a lot of technical cardio work and even Nate is admitting that Conor is having a proper camp this time. This is the first time we will see him coming off a camp dedicated to his opponent and an actual cardio plan. If we were discussing how Conor should approach the rematch after the first fight, we'd have been saying he should be doing exactly what he is doing now.
 
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I can't fucking wait for this rematch. I want Conor to win, but absolutely everything points towards a Diaz win again for me, and he's fucking evens with the British bookies as well which are crazy odds.

Diaz has got a full camp this time so he'll be sharper and fitter, he's naturally heavier with a longer reach and if it goes to the ground Conor should lose every time.

McGregor's got balls of steel, imo. He knows the risks more than anyone and he's taken the fight at the exact same weight again. Win or lose, I fucking love that attitude. He'll be on his cardio more this time around so he's not fucked after round 1, and it's worth mentioning that he was 100% outboxing Diaz for the first round, and Diaz is fucking good on his feet.

I dunno. Logic says it'll definitely be a Diaz win but I really want McGregor to do it and set up a trilogy between the two.
 

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Embedded episodes 1 and 2.

For those who don't know, the UFC sends a small camera crew to follow the main and co-main event fighters around during fight week. They upload one little 5-10 minute mini-doco each day, so fans can see what the fighters were doing the day before. Oftentimes it's quite interesting to watch how different fighters prepare themselves during fight week. Especially when they sometimes film a fighter watching the previous day's Embedded and making comments about what his opponent is doing. :lol: It's like a 40-50 minute long documentary being made in real time.




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Like pretty much everyone else dont really see how Nate can lose this. And aye crazy bookie odds - get your bets in before they realise what a fuck up they've made

Who do i want to win? Maybe Conor for being such a big underdog and having huge balls. But Nate's really hard not to like. Nate dont give a fuck
 

Haggis

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Obviously the type of training has an impact, but there's too many examples of high profile gyms with constant pull outs, a lot related to ridiculous strength and conditioning too close to the fight or sparring injuries that could have been avoided. Just watch Cain do a strength and conditioning workout, or even someone like Tony Ferguson. No top ten boxer would be allowed to put that kind of strain on their body that close to a fight.

Last minute opponents simply aren't an option in Boxing as it rarely happens. The reasons MMA fighters and fans are more receptive to last minute opponents is because it happens all the time, you have guys who literally train their ass off in preparation for someone dropping out, it's that common. There's a lot more money involved in Boxing as well, if Mayweather V Pacquiao got called off a week before for an injury, they wouldn't be flying Tim Bradley in, it would be rescheduled.
As you said - let's not turn this into boxing vs MMA. :lol:

Agreed on Cain training like a fucking retard though. I saw a couple of videos of him doing strength training with some meathead in a garage, and you could see his shoulders and knees getting ruined before your eyes. :-(

I think you are a bit off on your view of Conor, he looks more focused than he ever has done at this point. He is sparring exclusively with world class lanky southpaws and has had a much bigger BJJ world champion in his camp for the last 10 weeks. He has been doing a lot of technical cardio work and even Nate is admitting that Conor is having a proper camp this time. This is the first time we will see him coming off a camp dedicated to his opponent and an actual cardio plan. If we were discussing how Conor should approach the rematch after the first fight, we'd have been saying he should be doing exactly what he is doing now.
You may be 100% right.

If I was his coach, I'd be very worried though. Here are some things that Conor and Nate both know now:

* Conor can land flush shots on Nate, and Nate will eat them better than any other opponent Conor has faced.

* Conor will never in his life be as good on the ground as Nate is right now.

* Diaz' style made Conor react a lot, and gassed him REAL quick. Conor's gas tank is going to empty out WAY before Nate's - and the more tired his opponent is, the more aggressive and effective Nate is.

And most importantly IMO:

* There's only one reason why Conor shot for that ridiculous takedown. Because he was about to get TKOed, and both guys in the cage knew it. In other words, he lost a standup fight inside two rounds, to a guy who has two knockouts in 14 UFC wins and isn't known as a power puncher at all. And THAT has got to be bouncing around the back of Conor's mind. In the cage, I reckon that knowledge that Nate CAN and DID go toe-to-toe with him and hurt him badly, is going to stress him out during the fight. Which will only cause him to gas out quicker. Of course, I've never fought so this is all speculation. But it's still enough that I would be surprised if McGregor wins this one.

Still, he can get KOed in the first round and I won't talk shit. I respect his balls in taking the fight the first time around, let alone telling Nate "I won't make you cut - just weigh in 25 pounds above what I did for my last fight, and 15 pounds above the guy who I spent my camp preparing to fight." Now he wants to run it back and try again and I personally think Nate is just a step too far for him - but damn, it sure has been fun watching him try. :good

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