The Brexit Negotiations

If we were to have a 2nd Referendum, how would you vote?


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erm, you still have not paid us back the last bailout you had and once the EU harminise tax policy - you can kiss apple, google et al goodbye
Alright :rofl

Google just bought 4 more properties in the heart of dublin for redevelopment of offices, not cheap. 3 or 4 more on the horizon too. I know, as I'm involved in the construction and know what has gone in for planning. Google are going nowhere.

Here is an article which covers SOME of the properties purchased. More are on the way, but have not been announced yet. Note, the figures are for the properties only. These buildings will be largely knocked and re-built at a high spec, very high spec. I've designed 2 Google office fit outs, they go for high end finish. Not exactly the mentality of a company with one eye on the door.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi9pKaz4uDfAhVGJVAKHY3UBrEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/facebook-and-google-top-2018-s-big-dublin-property-deals-1.3707158&psig=AOvVaw33lB0fxwdKlDr21NMTn4GT&ust=1547125674546866
 
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Amazingly during the financial crisis we bailed out Ireland significantly. Can't say for sure but it was sizable if not the lion's share of their bailout.

You'd think they'd be more willing to help us...
UK gave 3bn of a 70bn loan. Would that be a lions share?

70bn of a loan which has been 90% repaid with sizeable interest.

This is actually an example of how strong the EU is. The benefits of being a union.
 
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There shouldn't be a second referendum imo. I mean, purely for selfish reasons as a Brit living in an EU country it would be nice so remain wins this time and my life is just easier. But, I'm still hoping somehow my rights will be the same in the event of the likely no deal. Then, I can watch from afar and laugh hysterically at everything going down the shitter.

It'll be a glorious watch tbh. Praying I don't have to go back to the shithole.
 
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Amazingly during the financial crisis we bailed out Ireland significantly. Can't say for sure but it was sizable if not the lion's share of their bailout.

You'd think they'd be more willing to help us...
3 billion, repaid with interest.

Least you could do after fucking our country up for centuries.
 
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Clarence Worley

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Fucking hell. Talk about delusion.
In what way? everything said there is true?

have you paid back the last bailout? no
Will you need another? yes
will the eu be solvent under no deal? no
do we control their bond markets? yes

where is the delusion?

PS fuck off strike - what happened to putting me on ignore?
 
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UK gave 3bn of a 70bn loan. Would that be a lions share?

70bn of a loan which has been 90% repaid with sizeable interest.

This is actually an example of how strong the EU is. The benefits of being a union.
This is what happens when people just run with whatever fits with their gut feelings. The EU did help Ireland massively, but the long term goal is obviously that a leg up leads to a contributor in the long run.

Here is a graph of contributors from 2007...

Ireland was a net recipient by almost billion euros.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#start

By 2014, Ireland was a net contributor and has remained so since. Not by a huge margin...but so what? It is there.
 

Clarence Worley

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UK gave 3bn of a 70bn loan. Would that be a lions share?

70bn of a loan which has been 90% repaid with sizeable interest.

This is actually an example of how strong the EU is. The benefits of being a union.
This is rubbish and factually wrong. We gave 7bn or around 300 quid from each british family towards an 85bn bailout.

So basically, your figures are wrong and it had nothing to do with the EU.
 
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This is what happens when people just run with whatever fits with their gut feelings. The EU did help Ireland massively, but the long term goal is obviously that a leg up leads to a contributor in the long run.

Here is a graph of contributors from 2007...

Ireland was a net recipient by almost billion euros.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#start

By 2014, Ireland was a net contributor and has remained so since. Not by a huge margin...but so what? It is there.
I think it's easier to just get caught up in hyperbole and start slinging around false information as a way of supporting your views.

Seems to be prevalent on here.

At the end of the day, Ireland will be hurt at least temporarily by a hard Brexit. But it will be nothing in comparison to what the UK will have to endure economically.

Besides, we have come through a very hard hitting recession pretty well all things considered, it's not like we can't deal with a few bumps in the road.
 
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Clarence Worley

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:lol:

Nah, I'll just watch you spewing out simplistic propaganda like you love to on most topics.
In other words you say one thing, do another, then like posts that are blatantly factually wrong.

It wouldnt be so bad if you could drop the sanctimony but, i doubt you can
 
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This is rubbish and factually wrong. We gave 7bn or around 300 quid from each british family towards an 85bn bailout.

So basically, your figures are wrong and it had nothing to do with the EU.
It had nothing to do with the EU?

:rofl

You are mental.
 
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This is rubbish and factually wrong. We gave 7bn or around 300 quid from each british family towards an 85bn bailout.

So basically, your figures are wrong and it had nothing to do with the EU.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiims2p5uDfAhXuSBUIHZR5DhIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html&psig=AOvVaw1W3nYkxzUSUNJZhrRlmFTn&ust=1547126727953091

The banking crisis was a European wide problem btw. Ireland shouldered most of that debt, unfairly.
 
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You will be when you read the planned “Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base” (CCCTB)

bye bye amazon, bye bye apple, bye bye google. bye bye growth
I'm not sure you've looked into the CCCTB.

It hasn't been voted on or implemented yet, nor does it look likely any time soon. Too much objection right now.
 

Clarence Worley

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the act of the UK lending you more than you claimed was not because of the EU and its a bit insulting frankly

You understate the amount then give credit and goodwill to others

because of your bias i presume
 

Clarence Worley

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I'm not sure you've looked into the CCCTB.

It hasn't been voted on or implemented yet, nor does it look likely any time soon. Too much objection right now.
I've looked into enough to know it fucks your tax haven status up

Not voted on? Again this is basically wrong.

"A separate, complementary measure which creates the basis for the harmonised corporate tax system - the Common Corporate Tax Base - was approved by 451 votes to 141, with 59 abstentions".
 

mandela

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I've looked into enough to know it fucks your tax haven status up

Not voted on? Again this is wrong.

"A separate, complementary measure which creates the basis for the harmonised corporate tax system - the Common Corporate Tax Base - was approved by 451 votes to 141, with 59 abstentions".
You are unbelievably fuckin' stupid, man.