- May 16, 2013
Fuck me, no tomatoes and no lettuce. Without salad I'm going to die or have to start eating meat - but wait, that's going to be injected!
Dear god..... I questioned whether you actually believed we'd have a bad quality food and tomatoes shortages and you go off in a tangent dredging up all manner of previous quotes and accusing me of bias in the process whilst glossing over your own scaremongering prejudices...... Really?You also said, after the vote, that we'd just "...be independent and have a deal like Norways or better".
You are biased on this and have pontificated as if you're an expert about things that we simply don't know. I have never claimed to be an expert on these issues, and there are shit things about the EU, but...everything I have read from multiple, completely different sources suggests it is going to be rough.
You wrote after Brexit that, "Europe needs our trade more than we need theirs."
What on earth was this based on? It was just based on British patriotism and nothing else. At the time you said that, 44% of all our exports were to the EU and 53% of all our imports were from the EU. About 18% of EU exports were to the UK.
Our exports to the EU constituted 13.4% of our economy in 2017, and yet EU exports to us, accounted for only 3-4% of the EU economy. I've used the most generous figures for the UK here. (https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/)
So, you can keep saying "business is business" but it means nothing. What do you think will happen, the EU will just abandon trade laws and send us everything we import now as before? That is pure fantasy.
This just shows massive naivety. Companies in the US that are billion dollar industries use things like hormones and standard antibiotic application as part of their entire farming methods. It is illegal for such meat to enter the EU under EU laws. If we import meat from cheap, US companies, we cannot "hike on 10% for Health and Safety" that will remove those growth hormones and antibiotics. We either buy their product or we don't. If we don't, we buy products from them which are not farmed in that way. The sort of good quality stuff you see in places like the US chain Whole Foods. What are the prices like in Whole Foods?
Here is another of your quotes:
"3/4's of the world's population live in Asia alone. That's not the EU folks."
Again, this is just insanely naive. Asian countries negotiating trade deals with the ENTIRE EU have less leverage than with individual nations. Of course we can set up trade deals, but is shipping tomatoes from Asia going to be better than from Spain? Why would an Asian nation give the same rates to just the UK as to the entire EU? It might, but it certainly would not have the same economic incentive to do so, because the UK economy is not as large as the entire EU combined.
Of the 74 laws that the UK voted against, which the EU overrode, which of them do you take most umbrage with?
Yes, really. Firstly, I have not made any confident predictions, as from the get go I said it was an unknown, that I was not an expert and that even experts could not sure, hence I took a "better the devil you know" stance. In contrast, you confidently claimed it would be great, we would do as we please, and basically sounded off as if you were some leading authority on trade,Dear god..... I questioned whether you actually believed we'd have a bad quality food and tomatoes shortages and you go off in a tangent dredging up all manner of previous quotes and accusing me of bias in the process whilst glossing over your own scaremongering prejudices...... Really?
They might, but given that your predictions that they would give us a deal we wanted because we were more important to them than vice versa were fairly inaccurate, why are you so belligerently sure on this? Some of the free trade between EU states is enforced, so for example, Spain might not WANT to give the deals they do, but they do it because of the benefits they get from the EU as a whole, in addition to the money from their exports. So, when the UK is simply a single buyer, they might not cut the same deal.But I will say this then you may consider the matter closed for discussion from my side. You ask why would they give us the same rates for tomatoes as Spain which would be part of the EU and a bigger trading body than us alone.......well, why wouldn't they???? It's a fact food is cheaper outside the EU anyway. And if they don't sell to us someone else will. Profit is profit and any smart and economy will leverage that. And our currency exchange rate is historically very high too and that's why the world wants to sell us goods and we both know the UK population has much higher wages and so greater access to cash and credit than non northern EU nations anyway.
Yes we are important to them, hence they wanted us to stay. They are more important to our economy than vice versa, that's all I said. I think you are looking at it too simplistically, wanting to sell to us and giving us deals on a case by case basis, when some of those previous deals are decided by the whole EU and not individual nations is not a foregone conclusion.In fact the UK is the 2nd biggest contributer to EU GDP. Number 2. So when we leave they lose 16% of their influence. So yes, we matter in or out. Any economy is going to want to sell to us. If you're a businessman and you make 20 billion selling to the EU then you're going to want to make 23 billion selling to both. It's simple numbers and common sense.
A no deal wouldn't even be that bad. Farage stood up in the EU brass yesterday and said "let's have a no deal, go to the WTO say we wish to continue under existing arrangements until we agree to terms"irish deputy PM scuttling off to america to bitch about the prospect of no deal - that they helped increase
Well you changed my mindWhich means I have at least twice the amount of common sense that our political elite have.
clearly the biggest issue spanish tourism, anywayI thought we were not allowed any cherries?
Personally I never had a doubt. We are big tourists and spain would be bust if we didnt go.
This is pretty old news, they said they supported this a while back. We will have to pay a small fee of £6.15 every 3 years to have visa free travel. The fee is inconsequential, but it's slightly annoying to have to do it, just like paying the £15 every 2 years for an ESTA to the US is annoying. Not a major irritant mind you, just would be better without it.
so all those stories sky pumped out have been proven bogus yet again, its almost as if they need our tourists.
To me this just sounds like FOM which i want to end very soon.This is pretty old news, they said they supported this a while back. We will have to pay a small fee of £6.15 every 3 years to have visa free travel. The fee is inconsequential, but it's slightly annoying to have to do it, just like paying the £15 every 2 years for an ESTA to the US is annoying. Not a major irritant mind you, just would be better without it.
Jaysus Clarence i thought I was extremeTo me this just sounds like FOM which i want to end very soon.
Its no big deal getting a visa for me and I would rather FOM end and I get a visa then it continue to the point we have no idea who is here