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The whole mentality that the Tories are not for you if you're a white, working class male is outdated. On a purely economical basis, Corbyn's idea of a NMW increase is fine and would be beneficial to a lot of people from this background but that's not everything that a government oversees. Labour under Corbyn would further tear apart working class commmunities by treating them with condescension, filling their streets with more immigrants and labelling them racist when they're upset about it, a charge lead by the overly PC aspect of their core support.

Labout under Corbyn is not what working class people want or need. They aren't stupid either, so the whole "if they knew what was best for them" thing is more patrionising, derogatory bollocks and, ironically, the same bigtory that these people accuse the Tories of.
What exactly are the Tory's offering the working class then in your opinion?
The whole mentality that the Tories are not for you if you're a white, working class male is outdated. On a purely economical basis, Corbyn's idea of a NMW increase is fine and would be beneficial to a lot of people from this background but that's not everything that a government oversees. Labour under Corbyn would further tear apart working class commmunities by treating them with condescension, filling their streets with more immigrants and labelling them racist when they're upset about it, a charge lead by the overly PC aspect of their core support.

Labout under Corbyn is not what working class people want or need. They aren't stupid either, so the whole "if they knew what was best for them" thing is more patrionising, derogatory bollocks and, ironically, the same bigtory that these people accuse the Tories of.
What have the Tory's got to offer the working class then in your opinion?
You say that Labour will tear apart working class communities by filling the streets with immigrants.what are you basing that on? Women's intuition? Sounds like complete bollox to me.
Neo liberal Tory's love exploiting cheap immigrant labor,so that's not going to stop under them, hasn't stopped since they've been in power has it.
Oh,I forgot they can offer a bit of anti immigrant rhetoric,blaming and scapegoating. If you're working class and in a low paid unsecure job,you might feel in competition with immigrants for work and go along with some of it.
But everyone knows Tory's are about their rich mate's,so cheap labor will always be here to keep there profits up.
Tories have got fuck all to offer the working class
 

Dazl1212

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Check out the Labour party manifesto. They definitely do have a vision for Britain now, and it's a real alternative to what we've got at the moment.
Don't let mainstream media tell u what it is the labour party are doing, they've got there own material reasons to be against it
I'm not basing it on what the media say mate, Im basing it on the things that come out of his cabinets mouths and their behavior. See Dianne Abbots numerous gaffs her utterance that any defeat for Britain is a good thing, the sickening thing that Naz Shah cosigned, Corbyn saying Hamas are his friends etc.

I don't really read news papers and the only news I watch generally is Channel 4 news which is very left leaning.

Genuinely I dont dislike Corbyn, its just that he has surrounded himself with SJW dick heads, racists and morons.
 

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What exactly are the Tory's offering the working class then in your opinion?
See, this is the issue in a nutshell. Its an either or decision at the moment and its got to change. I think there should be more main parties and they should have to govern as a coalition of 2 or 3 parties.
 

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See, this is the issue in a nutshell. Its an either or decision at the moment and its got to change. I think there should be more main parties and they should have to govern as a coalition of 2 or 3 parties.
with a separately elected prime minister, or the leader of the biggest party? (not that one is better/worse, just interested what you think)
 
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with a separately elected prime minister, or the leader of the biggest party? (not that one is better/worse, just interested what you think)
Good question. Either would work for me. I'd probably go with the leader of the party with the most votes.
 
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I'm not basing it on what the media say mate, Im basing it on the things that come out of his cabinets mouths and their behavior. See Dianne Abbots numerous gaffs her utterance that any defeat for Britain is a good thing, the sickening thing that Naz Shah cosigned, Corbyn saying Hamas are his friends etc.

I don't really read news papers and the only news I watch generally is Channel 4 news which is very left leaning.

Genuinely I dont dislike Corbyn, its just that he has surrounded himself with SJW dick heads, racists and morons.
Cheers for replying. Labours a party of half a million members so it's bound to have some twats in it.
If you get the chance have a look at their policies. Take the personalities out of it. Personally,I think there policies are good for the majority of working people,and a good alternative to the shit we're getting at the moment
 
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Cheers for replying. Labours a party of half a million members so it's bound to have some twats in it.
If you get the chance have a look at their policies. Take the personalities out of it. Personally,I think there policies are good for the majority of working people,and a good alternative to the shit we're getting at the moment
I will look at it again. It's just a Shane that they have such wankers in the cabinet. I mean, if a white person retweeted something similar to what Shah did l, about an Asian rape victim what would happen? So my question is what does it say about the opinions of some of that party about white people? It seems as well like the party has a huge sjw element to it as well. Which again is worrying. The majority of poor people in this country are white after all.

This isn't to say I support the Tories, I don't I dislike them more than I dislike the Labour party.
 
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We have what is considered to be one of the worst governments of all time with one of the worst prime ministers ever, and yet look at this polll. What's the problem with Labour?

Despite an all out attack from the mainstream media, Labour are still hanging in there. Propaganda is effective and always has been a powerful weapon that the establishment can use against anyone who threatens it.
So,you have a mild reformist party like corbyns labour painted out as a bunch of radical, incompetent,loony left, terrorist loving, anti British nutters. And alot of people lap it up and don't question it.
Alot of people can't get over the personalities involved, and can't make a fair assessment on whether labour policies would have a positive impact on them or there communities.
I think the press have deliberately attacked and smeared corbyns Labour party personally,rather than attacked their policies,as they know that alot of people would think that renationalised energy,rail,water,implementing the living wage, scrapping tuition fees,increased funding of the NHS, higher corporation tax,higher tax for the richest in the country were positive policies that would benefit them. Better to keep the debate about anti semitism, how deep Corbyn bows, if he wears enough poppys etc etc.
As for why any working class voter would support the vicious austerity (I.E wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest) of the Tories. It always baffles me. False consciousness and the identification with the agendas of billionaires. Tory popular racism and anti immigrant chat. They offer fuck all else IMO
 
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Despite an all out attack from the mainstream media, Labour are still hanging in there. Propaganda is effective and always has been a powerful weapon that the establishment can use against anyone who threatens it.
So,you have a mild reformist party like corbyns labour painted out as a bunch of radical, incompetent,loony left, terrorist loving, anti British nutters. And alot of people lap it up and don't question it.
Alot of people can't get over the personalities involved, and can't make a fair assessment on whether labour policies would have a positive impact on them or there communities.
I think the press have deliberately attacked and smeared corbyns Labour party personally,rather than attacked their policies,as they know that alot of people would think that renationalised energy,rail,water,implementing the living wage, scrapping tuition fees,increased funding of the NHS, higher corporation tax,higher tax for the richest in the country were positive policies that would benefit them. Better to keep the debate about anti semitism, how deep Corbyn bows, if he wears enough poppys etc etc.
As for why any working class voter would support the vicious austerity (I.E wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest) of the Tories. It always baffles me. False consciousness and the identification with the agendas of billionaires. Tory popular racism and anti immigrant chat. They offer fuck all else IMO

Except a lot of Corbyns party do stand up in parliament and speak like looney left nutters....

No smoke without fire.
 
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And the Tories stand up and say they care about the NHS, the poor and the armed forces. Guess that’s true then.
I couldn't give a shit about the Tories either. They're equally scummy. But labour in their current form are social dynamite. I'll take sneaky over stupid any day.

But that said I'm voting SDP.
 

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Despite an all out attack from the mainstream media, Labour are still hanging in there. Propaganda is effective and always has been a powerful weapon that the establishment can use against anyone who threatens it.
So,you have a mild reformist party like corbyns labour painted out as a bunch of radical, incompetent,loony left, terrorist loving, anti British nutters. And alot of people lap it up and don't question it.
Alot of people can't get over the personalities involved, and can't make a fair assessment on whether labour policies would have a positive impact on them or there communities.
I think the press have deliberately attacked and smeared corbyns Labour party personally,rather than attacked their policies,as they know that alot of people would think that renationalised energy,rail,water,implementing the living wage, scrapping tuition fees,increased funding of the NHS, higher corporation tax,higher tax for the richest in the country were positive policies that would benefit them. Better to keep the debate about anti semitism, how deep Corbyn bows, if he wears enough poppys etc etc.
As for why any working class voter would support the vicious austerity (I.E wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest) of the Tories. It always baffles me. False consciousness and the identification with the agendas of billionaires. Tory popular racism and anti immigrant chat. They offer fuck all else IMO

Everytime I put on the main stream media it is a Corbyn love in. The people that are most anti Corbyn are in his own party.
 
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Everytime I put on the main stream media it is a Corbyn love in. The people that are most anti Corbyn are in his own party.
Corbyn won the leadership contest by a landslide, more than the other candidates combined. A minority of Labour MPs are the ones who are acting against the will of the majority of the party and the leadership.
Personally I cant remember anyone getting smeared and disrespected in the tabloids more than Corbyn recently. Hence most peoples view of him as a lony left, soldier dissing, poppy burning, pro ira nutter
 

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Corbyn won the leadership contest by a landslide, more than the other candidates combined. A minority of Labour MPs are the ones who are acting against the will of the majority of the party and the leadership.
Personally I cant remember anyone getting smeared and disrespected in the tabloids more than Corbyn recently. Hence most peoples view of him as a lony left, soldier dissing, poppy burning, pro ira nutter

Have you ever read anything positive on May or before that Cameron? Corbyn is the darling of those in the media away from a couple of news outlets. He has appeared on comedy talk shows and even Glastonbury. The main outcry against Corbyn is still from his own party even if he does also gain a lot of support from elements. I can not understand why Labour is not leaping miles away in front of the Tories, they are dead walking. Something is obviously wrong in Labour. Personally I am more of a fan of him than anyone else in UK politics right now.
 
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Despite an all out attack from the mainstream media, Labour are still hanging in there. Propaganda is effective and always has been a powerful weapon that the establishment can use against anyone who threatens it.
So,you have a mild reformist party like corbyns labour painted out as a bunch of radical, incompetent,loony left, terrorist loving, anti British nutters. And alot of people lap it up and don't question it.
Alot of people can't get over the personalities involved, and can't make a fair assessment on whether labour policies would have a positive impact on them or there communities.
I think the press have deliberately attacked and smeared corbyns Labour party personally,rather than attacked their policies,as they know that alot of people would think that renationalised energy,rail,water,implementing the living wage, scrapping tuition fees,increased funding of the NHS, higher corporation tax,higher tax for the richest in the country were positive policies that would benefit them. Better to keep the debate about anti semitism, how deep Corbyn bows, if he wears enough poppys etc etc.
As for why any working class voter would support the vicious austerity (I.E wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest) of the Tories. It always baffles me. False consciousness and the identification with the agendas of billionaires. Tory popular racism and anti immigrant chat. They offer fuck all else IMO
Okay let’s ask a few questions to you:

1) Leadership matters. Say Labour did have the perfect policies. Do you think a lady who previously wanted to abolish MI5, who believes in ‘easy movement’ is a good choice for home Secretary?
And that’s before we look at her track record of incompetence.
2) Despite evidence to the contrary what makes you think that raising corporation tax increases tax take?
After all this is the flagship policy which funds the policy of tuition feess.
  1. The rich share of income tax paid is the highest in history, so you believe that increasing tax rates for the rich will increase tax receipts?
  2. McDonnell proposes that it will cost £500 billion to carry out his renationalalisation program. Is this a good idea?
5)What level of the ‘living wage’ do you want? In an era of full employment, what do you consider the effects to be?
 
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Okay let’s ask a few questions to you:

1) Leadership matters. Say Labour did have the perfect policies. Do you think a lady who previously wanted to abolish MI5, who believes in ‘easy movement’ is a good choice for home Secretary?
And that’s before we look at her track record of incompetence.
2) Despite evidence to the contrary what makes you think that raising corporation tax increases tax take?
After all this is the flagship policy which funds the policy of tuition feess.
  1. The rich share of income tax paid is the highest in history, so you believe that increasing tax rates for the rich will increase tax receipts?
  2. McDonnell proposes that it will cost £500 billion to carry out his renationalalisation program. Is this a good idea?
5)What level of the ‘living wage’ do you want? In an era of full employment, what do you consider the effects to be?
Corporation tax is lower here than almost all of the developed world.
Okay let’s ask a few questions to you:

1) Leadership matters. Say Labour did have the perfect policies. Do you think a lady who previously wanted to abolish MI5, who believes in ‘easy movement’ is a good choice for home Secretary?
And that’s before we look at her track record of incompetence.
2) Despite evidence to the contrary what makes you think that raising corporation tax increases tax take?
After all this is the flagship policy which funds the policy of tuition feess.
  1. The rich share of income tax paid is the highest in history, so you believe that increasing tax rates for the rich will increase tax receipts?
  2. McDonnell proposes that it will cost £500 billion to carry out his renationalalisation program. Is this a good idea?
5)What level of the ‘living wage’ do you want? In an era of full employment, what do you consider the effects to be?
You're asking me to answer points that I've not made here.
On tax I'm no expert. But seeing as we have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax in the developed world,I can assume that that is for the benefit of said corporations profits.
Labour are talking about having a political will to target the big business who are using loopholes to not pay a fair amount of tax,to end the large scale avoidance of tax by billion$ companies.
These policies talk to me more than sanctioning someone on universal credit for being 19 minutes late for an interview.
 

Ernest Shackleton

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Corporation tax is lower here than almost all of the developed world.
You're asking me to answer points that I've not made here.
On tax I'm no expert. But seeing as we have one of the lowest rates of corporation tax in the developed world,I can assume that that is for the benefit of said corporations profits.
Labour are talking about having a political will to target the big business who are using loopholes to not pay a fair amount of tax,to end the large scale avoidance of tax by billion$ companies.
These policies talk to me more than sanctioning someone on universal credit for being 19 minutes late for an interview.
Read your post, my reply directly corresponds with your post.
I do not care about comparisons with other nations that’s irrelevant to my question. The question was simple: with all evidence showing that increasing corporation tax will lower tax receipts why do you want to do it?
Important as Labour believes this will magically provide funds for some of policies you stated you wanted.
The same argument applies to increasing tax rate for higher earners.

It’s the politics of envy. Not of improving the lives of everyone.
 
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Read your post, my reply directly corresponds with your post.
I do not care about comparisons with other nations that’s irrelevant to my question. The question was simple: with all evidence showing that increasing corporation tax will lower tax receipts why do you want to do it?
Important as Labour believes this will magically provide funds for some of policies you stated you wanted.
The same argument applies to increasing tax rate for higher earners.

It’s the politics of envy. Not of improving the lives of everyone.
Politics of envy? Capitalism is 100% a rigged game for the wealthy,I can't see how you could possibly argue otherwise?
What is the capitalist class where they are through their own hard work and the poor where they are because of there own weakness? What a load of bollocks.
Inequality is growing, society is becoming more polarised. The middle ground of politics is becoming less relevant.
How do you justify 1% of Britain's population owning 24%of it's wealth?
Are you happy with being under the rule of a plutocracy who view you as an irrelevance? Are you happy with your 2 party sham democracy? Your lack of a democratic say in your job/life.
The labour party certainly aren't the answer to these ills,but there a move in the right direction