The Coming War on China

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My year has been alright :lol: I feel awful for feeling that
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Same for me. Covid was actually the best thing to happen to me with this lockdown. Saved a shit ton of money working in NYC. I'm ready to buy some houses now, just waiting for the market to open up. 2020 is a good year for me. I just need shit to open up so I can go on a real vacation.
 
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:lol:

Same for me. Covid was actually the best thing to happen to me with this lockdown. Saved a shit ton of money working in NYC. I'm ready to buy some houses now, just waiting for the market to open up. 2020 is a good year for me. I just need shit to open up so I can go on a real vacation.
The gf and I moved in, I got a raise, I don't ever have to hang out with annoying people, we made a conscious decision to move abroad, there's enough outrage porn to read to last me years, I've been learning a programing language.... it's been a solid fucking year, and most all of this has been since March.

Awful year for the world though. Just awful.
 
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The gf and I moved in, I got a raise, I don't ever have to hang out with annoying people, we made a conscious decision to move abroad, there's enough outrage porn to read to last me years, I've been learning a programing language.... it's been a solid fucking year, and most all of this has been since March.

Awful year for the world though. Just awful.
Yea, I truly feel bad for a lot of people, but there's only so much you can do. The best we can do is try and make our and those closest to us lives better. Are you doing a move to Europe?
 

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being real 2020 has been what it was. bad for recent memory, a minor blip in context of history,

people pretending it's the apolcalypse need to go back to any point in history, explain this year, and get laughed at for how unbelievably good they've got it to be alive now.
 
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Yea, I truly feel bad for a lot of people, but there's only so much you can do. The best we can do is try and make our and those closest to us lives better. Are you doing a move to Europe?
I've actually got a thread about it here. I'll @ you so that this thread can stay on China...because I'm certainly not moving there now.
 
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kf3

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I've actually got a thread about it here. I'll @ you so that this thread can stay on China...because I'm certainly not moving there now.
i know a few people who have lived over there, starting around 20 years back.

the way it's been described to me, even 15 years ago china was still pretty free(especially outside major cities), but the ccccccp has really brought the repression on since then. there is an element of technology involved but basically it is cccp policy and power struggles that caused the negative change.
 
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i know a few people who have lived over there, starting around 20 years back.

even 10 years ago china was still half the wild west(especially outside major cities), but the ccccccp has really brought the repression on since then. there is an element of technology involved but basically it is cccp policy and power struggles that caused the negative change.
For sure. Honestly you can still make an incredible living there, but I'm not going to get stuck working for the world's most powerful totalitarian state. No matter how morbidly curious I am as to what'd it be like to institute these psyops type programs.
 

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For sure. Honestly you can still make an incredible living there, but I'm not going to get stuck working for the world's most powerful totalitarian state. No matter how morbidly curious I am as to what'd it be like to institute these psyops type programs.
same, i left uni right in the middle of the recession and the only jobs offers i had involved chinese companies, but i wasn't in a place where i could leave my girl and life. for a couple years after i felt a fool for not taking them, but the more time passes the more i think i made the right call there.
 

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Elon Musk says ‘China rocks’ while the U.S. is full of ‘complacency and entitlement’
PUBLISHED FRI, JUL 31 20205:31 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, JUL 31 20207:50 PM EDT

Lora Kolodny@LORAKOLODNY

  • Elon Musk lamented the “entitled” and “complacent” character of people in the United States, and lauded the “smart” and “hard working people” of China, in an Automotive News podcast out Friday.
  • He also said that Tesla had received the least government assistance of any U.S. carmaker.
Tesla Inc CEO Elon Musk speaks at an opening ceremony for Tesla China-made Model Y program in Shanghai, China January 7, 2020.

Tesla Inc CEO Elon Musk speaks at an opening ceremony for Tesla China-made Model Y program in Shanghai, China January 7, 2020.
Aly Song | Reuters
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk lamented the “entitled” and “complacent” character of people in the United States, and lauded the “smart” and “hard working people” of China, in the first installment of a three-part interview with Automotive News’ “Daily Drive” podcast published Friday.
Specifically, Musk criticized New York and California -- states that have supported his businesses, especially Tesla, with considerable tax breaks, regulatory credits and other government help.

Automotive News publisher Jason Stein, who conducted the interview, asked Musk, “How about China as an EV strategy leader in the world?”
Musk replied: “China rocks in my opinion. The energy in China is great. People there – there’s like a lot of smart, hard working people. And they’re really -- they’re not entitled, they’re not complacent, whereas I see in the United States increasingly much more complacency and entitlement especially in places like the Bay Area, and L.A. and New York.”
Last year, Chinese government officials helped Tesla secure loans worth around $1.6 billion to construct and begin manufacturing vehicles at the company’s relatively new Shanghai factory. This year, the Shanghai government helped Tesla get back to normal operations quickly, at its new plant, after the region was struck by a Covid-19 outbreak and issued widespread quarantines that temporarily suspended manufacturing there.
Musk pointed out, Telsa has not received as much assistance from the government in China as domestic companies. “They have been supportive. But it would be weird if they were more supportive to a non-Chinese company. They’re not,” he said.
The enthusiasm the mercurial Musk expressed for China contrasted with his previously stated disdain for communism. In a tweet on Monday this week, Musk mocked social welfare programs in general, and Karl Marx’s “Das Kapital.”




During the Automotive News podcast, Musk also compared the U.S., California and New York to sports teams about to lose their winning status.
He said:
“When you’ve been winning for too long you sort of take things for granted. The United States, and especially like California and New York, you’ve been winning for too long. When you’ve been winning too long you take things for granted. So, just like some pro sports team they win a championship you know a bunch of times in a row, they get complacent and they start losing.”
Tesla and the states
Among U.S. automakers, “Tesla has had the least government support of any car company,” Musk said.
He boasted about Tesla’s repayment of a loan to the U.S. Department of Energy ahead of schedule.
In June 2009, the Obama-era Department of Energy awarded Tesla a $465 million loan to set up a vehicle assembly plant in Fremont, California, and to begin production of its flagship all-electric sedan, the Model S. Tesla repaid it with interest by May 2013, nine years ahead of schedule.
The DOE loan was small compared with the tens of billions in TARP loans that went to bail out General Motors and Chrysler during the financial crisis that began in 2008.
However, Tesla has benefited from other forms of government assistance in the U.S. According to analysis by the Los Angeles Times, Tesla’s government assistance in the U.S. has surpassed $4.9 billion.
Tesla’s government support in California has included more than $220 million in sales and use tax exclusions from the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority, as well as zero emission vehicle and solar renewable energy credits granted by the state. The sale of these regulatory credits were a major factor in Tesla’s profitability in the past four quarters.
As CNBC and others previously reported, New York state spent $959 million on a solar-panel factory in Buffalo, now operated by Tesla, in a drive to bring more than 1,000 high-paying tech and manufacturing jobs to the state.
Tesla hasn’t fulfilled its employment obligations in New York so far. A financial filing out this week revealed that Tesla has obtained a full-year extension from the state in order to meet the head count requirement. If it does not, Musk’s electric car and renewable energy venture will have to pay back $41 million to the Empire State.
Tesla stock and sales
On the podcast, Musk also celebrated the fact that Tesla is now seen as a “legitimate” American and multinational automaker. While it used to be an upstart and underdog, Automotive News asked him what was going on with the soaring price of Tesla shares, which are up more than 240% this year, and whether Musk felt a need to manage investors’ expectations.
The CEO demurred:
“It’s not worth trying to massage the stock market or manage investor expectations. It’s just. You know? At the end of the day, if you make great cars and the company’s healthy and making great products investors will be happy...If you make lousy products your customers will be unhappy and then your investors will be unhappy.”
Elon Musk, chairman and chief executive officer of Tesla Motors, speaks in front of a Tesla Model S electric car on day two of the 2010 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Michigan.

Elon Musk, chairman and chief executive officer of Tesla Motors, speaks in front of a Tesla Model S electric car on day two of the 2010 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Michigan.
Daniel Acker | Bloomberg | Getty Images
He offered this advice to other entrepreneurs:
“My advice, you know, to corporate America or companies worldwide is spend less time on marketing presentations and more time on your product. Honestly that should be the number one thing taught in business schools. Put down that spreadsheet and that PowerPoint presentation and go and make your product better.”
He also predicted that online car sales, and delivering cars direct to consumers, rather than vehicle sales through stores or traditional dealerships, would become even more of a standard, after Covid-19.
Tesla saw “strong orders through the whole pandemic,” Musk said. Tesla reported that its deliveries declined about 5% for the second quarter of 2020. Due to Covid-19 impacts, most other automakers saw sales plunge more than 30% during the same period. The CEO concluded, “Having a traditional dealer situation, I think, seems increasingly unnecessary and I think probably the pandemic just reinforced that.”
Tesla shares closed down 3.8% on Friday, but have been on a spectacular run this year despite the global coronavirus pandemic and the onset of a recession.
 
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