The Downfall of Charlie Zelenoff

May 17, 2013
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The guy is legitimately mentally ill and needs to be committed to an institution, he maybe a schizophrenic or something else. Jailing him for a few days won't do anything.

The problem is, mental health in the U.S. is a joke. Most times someone like him can be taken in and institutionalized for observation to determine if they are a threat to themselves or others. This usually lasts less than 2 weeks and if you know how to play the system and give the right answers, they will cut you loose, especially if you have no insurance for long term commitments to get real help.

What they'll do is start the patient on meds to alter their behavior, basically making them docile walking zombies and recommend they continue seeking mental health help once released, but there are no court orders to do so and the patient, upon release, can just go back to what was normal before being sent in for observation.

I've got a 29 yr. old step-daughter who has been diagnosed as "Schizoaffective" and she is currently on 8 different medications a day to control, or lessen her issues. If she quits taking her medication, within a few days she is showing signs of reverting to being off the charts with her behavior. She is living with the wife and I and I made it a mandatory requirement for her to continue taking her meds for us to give her a chance to get her life in order. If she chooses to quit the meds, she needs to find someone else to put up with the fallout of her decision. With meds, she can function in society, without meds, she's a total whack job with no chance of a future.
 
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The problem is, mental health in the U.S. is a joke. Most times someone like him can be taken in and institutionalized for observation to determine if they are a threat to themselves or others. This usually lasts less than 2 weeks and if you know how to play the system and give the right answers, they will cut you loose, especially if you have no insurance for long term commitments to get real help.

What they'll do is start the patient on meds to alter their behavior, basically making them docile walking zombies and recommend they continue seeking mental health help once released, but there are no court orders to do so and the patient, upon release, can just go back to what was normal before being sent in for observation.

I've got a 29 yr. old step-daughter who has been diagnosed as "Schizoaffective" and she is currently on 8 different medications a day to control, or lessen her issues. If she quits taking her medication, within a few days she is showing signs of reverting to being off the charts with her behavior. She is living with the wife and I and I made it a mandatory requirement for her to continue taking her meds for us to give her a chance to get her life in order. If she chooses to quit the meds, she needs to find someone else to put up with the fallout of her decision. With meds, she can function in society, without meds, she's a total whack job with no chance of a future.
Yea mental health really is a joke here in the US. There's just not enough resources to handle all of the cases in the US. We're going to see a whole lot more mentally ill people turning homeless after this whole pandemic is over. I know people in NYC are barely holding it together. I'm sure many have already snapped and gone over the edge, but there's no chance they'll receive the help they truly need because the system was already over taxed before the crisis. Now? There's no chance a good majority will receive any help.
 

Johnstown

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Someone should give Peter Mcneely a handful of perks to go and beat him to death


(Not literally obviously)
 

Haggis

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Yea mental health really is a joke here in the US. There's just not enough resources to handle all of the cases in the US. We're going to see a whole lot more mentally ill people turning homeless after this whole pandemic is over. I know people in NYC are barely holding it together. I'm sure many have already snapped and gone over the edge, but there's no chance they'll receive the help they truly need because the system was already over taxed before the crisis. Now? There's no chance a good majority will receive any help.
A few more huge tax cuts for the successful job creators should sort that right out though, to be fair. Maybe ramping up the military budget would help as well. :thumbsup

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Also, I don't know about anyone else, but to me Charlie stopped being funny about 10 years ago, when it became clear that mentally he was about half a step up from eating garbage off the street and peeling his skin off to find the tracking chip that Oprah had installed in his leg. :conf

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Yea mental health really is a joke here in the US. There's just not enough resources to handle all of the cases in the US. We're going to see a whole lot more mentally ill people turning homeless after this whole pandemic is over. I know people in NYC are barely holding it together. I'm sure many have already snapped and gone over the edge, but there's no chance they'll receive the help they truly need because the system was already over taxed before the crisis. Now? There's no chance a good majority will receive any help.
even worse you jail mentally ill people if they commit a crime
Hell a few years ago Texas executed someone with an IQ of around 70

mentally ill who commit a crime should be put in mental institution not jail
 
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even worse you jail mentally ill people if they commit a crime
Hell a few years ago Texas executed someone with an IQ of around 70

mentally ill who commit a crime should be put in mental institution not jail

Sometimes yes, but most are just let out on the streets, that's why we have such an increasing number of homeless people in the US. In NYC the homeless people pretty much run the city now since our wonderful may DeBlasio made it easier for them to squat on subways, commit crimes, defecate on trains etc.

Now people are starting to wake up to the problem, but nothing is being done.
 
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NEVER been knocked out. :bart He's a modern day Chuvalo.

But George never called "Time Out" or ran out of the ring whenever an opponent was getting the better of him---then come back in to sucker punch the opponent before running off again.

Charlie Z is nothing short of a bitch ass punk with a severe mental disorder.
 
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Sometimes yes, but most are just let out on the streets, that's why we have such an increasing number of homeless people in the US. In NYC the homeless people pretty much run the city now since our wonderful may DeBlasio made it easier for them to squat on subways, commit crimes, defecate on trains etc.

Now people are starting to wake up to the problem, but nothing is being done.
overhere its not as good as it was due to cutbacks in the crisisteams 2008-2013
My wife has many times contact with cops due to her work..

cops tell stories that many times they are called to situations and have to arrest and jail people who clearly are ill in the head but there is no place or a waitinglisg in mentall institution..

someone walking naked in the street shitting in public and talking jubberish does not belong in a hailcell but needs mental help..imho
 

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I have to be honest...as much sympathy as I have for mental illness...

If Charlie ever accosted me in the street, the only thing that would prevent me from beating him to death would be legal consequences.
 

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I thought he was just a clever publicity hungry social media whore that may in fact have been making money playing a semi humorous role
 

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even worse you jail mentally ill people if they commit a crime
Hell a few years ago Texas executed someone with an IQ of around 70

mentally ill who commit a crime should be put in mental institution not jail



I think it would be a crime to execute someone as thick as you too junior
I think Charlie is probably more intelligent than you & has just as many delusions as to how tough he is
 
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On the other hand, he didn't survive the 1st round against a guy that was 1-28 against everyone else he fought.
Yep, his one and only real fight in the ring in sanctioned bout. He wanted to call a "Time Out" in that one and the ref was having none of it.

His opponent that night was Andrew Hartley who went on to have an illustrious career with a record of 2 wins with 1 KO and 28 losses including being KO'd in 27 of them. Hartley's KO win happened to be a fellow named Jeff Lee who ended his career with a 0-4 record with all his losses being KO's
 
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