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Just back from the ground where we saw the champions of England retain the title. Really hope we can do 3 leagues on the trot.
Hoping we can win the FA cup that would be sweet and I’d like Spurs to win the champions league, they deserve it.
Is there even a doubt city won’t win the league next year ? If it was going to happen it was gonna be this year, Liverpool or anyone else aren’t getting close to 97 points again.

Really think the prem is going to be a glorified Ligue 1 until Guardiola leaves or if they totally balls up replacing Aguero
 

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City fans are the worst fans I've ever seen, the only City fans I knew of before they had money were Liam Gallagher and Ricky Hatton
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I honestly didn't think anyone could trump Liverpool or Manchester United fans for obnoxiousness, but City have nailed it this last couple of years. Awesome team to watch though, fair play to Guardiola and his team and to Klopp and Liverpool for making the season interesting.
 
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Is there even a doubt city won’t win the league next year ? If it was going to happen it was gonna be this year, Liverpool or anyone else aren’t getting close to 97 points again.

Really think the prem is going to be a glorified Ligue 1 until Guardiola leaves or if they totally balls up replacing Aguero
It's not just Guardiola, it's their money. They were found guilty of breaking FFP laws in 2014 and their punishment? A £49 million fine. :lol: Since then, they have spent a net amount of £563.25 million. That is to improve on a team that had just won the title for the second time in 3 years and after being found guilty of breaking FFP rules.

Most telling is that that net spend involved almost no sales of starting players to fund it. The gross spend was FAR more, and the money in was almost all sales of squad players and not stars. Compare that to Liverpool, who challenged in 2014, came second and then did the same this year.

After coming close, we had to sell our star player in Suarez. The following year, one of other stars from that season went to City. And then we sold Coutinho. Of the 4 top performing players in our 2014 title challenge, we lost 3 to big sales (1 to our rival) and the 4th was ruined by injury. We had not broken any FFP rules and had not got a title winning team, in fact the core of that team's challenge was ripped out by those sales.

In that same time period in which City could afford to drop £563 million on improvements, our net spend was £74.51 million. People look at the big money on VVD and Allison, but forget it has come from huge sales of key players.

So a title winning team breaking the rules on spending and funding, dropped £488.74 million more (net) on improvements than we did and beat us by a point. They deserved to beat us, and I think a point was kind given the actual performances, but although Pep has improved them a lot and made some great signings, fundamentally it is that spending power that has been the key difference.

Unless UEFA and FIFA properly address it, then no, nobody else is winning the title.
 
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Delighted to see Liverpool bottle the league.
What a retard. :lol: One loss all season, 9 consecutive wins in the run in. We weren't good enough in a handful of games. Did City bottle in when they lost 4 times? What the fuck does a Spurs fan care about Liverpool anyway? There's no rivalry between our clubs, so you're delighted at an oil funded club who fail to fill their own stadium buying it up, because erm...
 
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They won 9/10 in the run-in (other one being a draw). That's 28 points out of 30 at the business end of the league campaign...hardly Jana Novotna vs Steffi Graf.
Teams drop points. If City had drawn with Leicester and we had then gone and drawn with Wolves...even then it would be poor to say we bottled it, but you could at least make an argument. We lost 1 match all season, to the champions, and like you say we won 9/10 in the run in. Compare that to the form of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd trying to secure CL football.
 

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What a retard. :lol: One loss all season, 9 consecutive wins in the run in. We weren't good enough in a handful of games. Did City bottle in when they lost 4 times? What the fuck does a Spurs fan care about Liverpool anyway? There's no rivalry between our clubs, so you're delighted at an oil funded club who fail to fill their own stadium buying it up, because erm...
10 points clear and you fucked it up!! :rofl
 
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10 points clear and you fucked it up!! :rofl
Fairly misleading. They had a game in hand and had to play us. So no, we were not 10 points clear on the same number of games. We were 7 points clear, and then played them. They beat us. It happens, people lose games and we lost to a team with ludicrous spending power. That made it a 4 point gap. If we had been 10 points clear on the same number of games and then blown it by drawing and/or losing to other teams...yes sure.

City were unstoppable post the Newcastle game. We got lucky in some games and unlucky in others, fundamentally our team was not good enough to win the title, and I don't think our football for much of the season warranted it. I expect us to challenge again next year, and while they are clear favourites, I think our football will be better next year, as I expect Salah to play with less pressure, and we have guys like Fabinho and Keita settled, and Ox back.
 
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10 points clear and you fucked it up!! :rofl
That makes no sense.

When they were 10 pts clear, If I had of told you they would get 97 pts, I doubt you'd of thought that would only be good enough for second. You would assume that would win the league, furthermore you would aknowledge that to be an impressive finish to a season, and definitely not a bottle job.
 
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Fairly misleading. They had a game in hand and had to play us. So no, we were not 10 points clear on the same number of games. We were 7 points clear, and then played them. They beat us. It happens, people lose games and we lost to a team with ludicrous spending power. That made it a 4 point gap. If we had been 10 points clear on the same number of games and then blown it by drawing and/or losing to other teams...yes sure.

City were unstoppable post the Newcastle game. We got lucky in some games and unlucky in others, fundamentally our team was not good enough to win the title, and I don't think our football for much of the season warranted it. I expect us to challenge again next year, and while they are clear favourites, I think our football will be better next year, as I expect Salah to play with less pressure, and we have guys like Fabinho and Keita settled, and Ox back.
Do you think if you put Liverpool one point ahead of City at the exact time City went one point ahead of Liverpool then Liverpool would win all of their remaining games to win the title by a point?

I do see a clear difference in mentality between the teams. Liverpool went back to winning again when they were second and thus chasing again. They hit a bad patch when they were leading the pack. I know your going to mention margins and Mane's shot(correct player?) being 11mm or something off making it likely a drawn game away to City. I simply don't see Liverpool winning the remaining games they did if they are first and not second though.
 
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Do you think if you put Liverpool one point ahead of City at the exact time City went one point ahead of Liverpool then Liverpool would win all of their remaining games to win the title by a point?

I do see a clear difference in mentality between the teams. Liverpool went back to winning again when they were second and thus chasing again. They hit a bad patch when they were leading the pack. I know your going to mention margins and Mane's shot(correct player?) being 11mm or something off making it likely a drawn game away to City. I simply don't see Liverpool winning the remaining games they did if they are first and not second though.
Werent they first for a lot of those remaining games?
 
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I can't see any team winning 4/5 in a row in this league...of course if any team can do it City will but there's always someone in this league who gets in the odd year even when a team is totally dominant (e.g. Villa broke a Liverpool streak between 79-84; Blackburn broke Utd's dominance between 93-97, preventing six-in-a-row and 5-in-a-row respectively). I think another team will snatch a title over the next few years. Right now, the only other contender is Liverpool (of course, this could change after the summer signings).

I think Liverpool will score around 90-93 points next season and they'll probably play better than this season but not amass as many points (and run City close again, maybe winning it next time).
 
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Do you think if you put Liverpool one point ahead of City at the exact time City went one point ahead of Liverpool then Liverpool would win all of their remaining games to win the title by a point?
I think if one result directly affected Liverpool's nerves, it was City's loss to Newcastle, which then meant they could put a 7-point gap* between the teams when they played Leicester the following night- and having played each other twice. They were sluggish that night and looked a bit nervous.


* I think it was 7 points. Something similar anyway.
 
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Werent they first for a lot of those remaining games?
Yeah some of them due to City's game in hand. However at that point it was still not in their hands. They were relying on City to drop points so were still technically chasing them.

Newcastle beat City and then Liverpool come out and draw at home vs Leicester I think it was, pre Rogers Leicester aswell. Do you think that happens the other way around? Well we know it doesn't because anytime Liverpool dropped points then City were there to scoop right in behind them. Then when City did get there nose Infront they never looked back.

Now again I'm not saying Liverpool are bottlejobs or anything. They have had an amazing season. However with ten games to go or whatever it was do you see Liverpool winning all ten games if they are ahead by a point on City? I personally don't.

There is a clear difference in mentality that this City team have gotten to everybody else, including this Liverpool team and it comes from winning as often as these City players have. United had a similar aura under Fergie at times aswell.
 
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I think if one result directly affected Liverpool's nerves, it was City's loss to Newcastle, which then meant they could put a 7-point gap* between the teams when they played Leicester the following night- and having played each other twice. They were sluggish that night and looked a bit nervous.


* I think it was 7 points. Something similar anyway.
That's exactly the game I referenced above aswell. I personally think if those roles get reversed then City go and beat Leicester.
 

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If Spurs can challenge City and Liverpool despite spending very minimal amounts then I wouldn't write off any team or consider it an inevitability that City will win again next year. They obviously dropped off towards the end due to injuries and because they essentially had nothing to play for in the league but they were contenders for a while, they're very capable of taking 12 points off City and Liverpool and have a really united squad with a great manager. I think they need to add a bit of strength in the squad but they really aren't far off and if they could have avoided injuries to Alli, Kane etc., then I think they'd have finished within 10 points this season.

It'll be interesting to see what Chelsea do too. I really like Sarri and they're another club who could take points off City and Liverpool but they need a good summer. If they lose Hazard, they've got no chance, but they are only a few players away from a title challenge I think but they need to be big signings. I don't think they'll be consistent enough to finish in the top 3 regardless but they'll close the gap somewhat.
 
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Do you think if you put Liverpool one point ahead of City at the exact time City went one point ahead of Liverpool then Liverpool would win all of their remaining games to win the title by a point?

I do see a clear difference in mentality between the teams. Liverpool went back to winning again when they were second and thus chasing again. They hit a bad patch when they were leading the pack. I know your going to mention margins and Mane's shot(correct player?) being 11mm or something off making it likely a drawn game away to City. I simply don't see Liverpool winning the remaining games they did if they are first and not second though.
I don't see it. It could have got to us, but where was City's mentality when they lost to Palace and Leicester? When they lost to Newcastle after closing the gap on us?

It's tiny margins in these games. We were awful against Everton before Christmas while chasing, but got the win in the luckiest fashion imaginable. We drew with Leicester, but were denied a stonewall penalty and Maguire equalised when he should have already been sent off for a professional foul. We didn't deserve to beat Leicester, but generally titles are won with you winning games you don't deserve to. We didn't deserve to beat Everton, but we did. We didn't deserve to beat Leicester in terms of how we played, but they got away with not having a red card and then giving away a blatant penalty for a foul from behind on Keita, that would almost certainly have seen us take 3 points.


Did City tear Leicester apart or play great, confident football in their penultimate game? No, they ended up having one player hit and hope, and hit a once in a lifetime strike that he will probably never replicate again, and even then, with a minute left, Leicester open them up and miss a sitter. If Leicester had grabbed that equaliser, would that be City "bottling it"?

Maybe we wouldn't have won all the games we did if we had been leaving, it's pure speculation.

What we can say is that calling a team bottlers, who just got more points than any team has ever had to win the title bar this season and last season, while losing 1 match all season to the champions, and winning 9 of their last 10 matches, is fucking idiotic.