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Who will win the 2019/20 PL??

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May 19, 2013
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I don't see it. It could have got to us, but where was City's mentality when they lost to Palace and Leicester? When they lost to Newcastle after closing the gap on us?
I don't think you can point to a loss before Christmas as having a lack of winning mentality in the title race. From either teams. With this as you well know people are generally talking about the "business end" of the season.
It's tiny margins in these games. We were awful against Everton before Christmas while chasing, but got the win in the luckiest fashion imaginable. We drew with Leicester, but were denied a stonewall penalty and Maguire equalised when he should have already been sent off for a professional foul. We didn't deserve to beat Leicester, but generally titles are won with you winning games you don't deserve to. We didn't deserve to beat Everton, but we did. We didn't deserve to beat Leicester in terms of how we played, but they got away with not having a red card and then giving away a blatant penalty for a foul from behind on Keita, that would almost certainly have seen us take 3 points.
These type of decisions generally even themselves out over the course of a season. I'm sure if I looked into it enough I could find examples of a decision going Liverpool's way that should not have leading to them getting a win they may not have gotten without that decision. As I'm sure if you wanted to you could look at decisions going Citys way and point to that as having a huge impact on them winning the title. However when you add all these up for most teams it comes fairly close in the decisions they got that they should not have and decisions they maybe should have gotten that they didn't.
Did City tear Leicester apart or play great, confident football in their penultimate game? No, they ended up having one player hit and hope, and hit a once in a lifetime strike that he will probably never replicate again, and even then, with a minute left, Leicester open them up and miss a sitter. If Leicester had grabbed that equaliser, would that be City "bottling it"?
City have won the most amount of league titles of any team the last decade. Even if they draw or lose that game and lost the league no you could not label them bottlers because they have already won the league. In that case the narrative would be Liverpool won the league rather than City losing it. City have proven they are not bottlers. As yet Liverpool have not proven they can go and take a league title.
Maybe we wouldn't have won all the games we did if we had been leaving, it's pure speculation.

What we can say is that calling a team bottlers, who just got more points than any team has ever had to win the title bar this season and last season, while losing 1 match all season to the champions, and winning 9 of their last 10 matches, is fucking idiotic.
Don't get me mixed up. I'm not claiming Liverpool bottled the league Most people claiming it don't actually believe it themselves but are simply winding up Pool fans. I'm simply saying that I don't think they have the same mentality as a team like City yet who if they were in Liverpool's position would not have thrown away that lead. Does that mean Liverpool bottled it? No but it also means they do not have the same mentality in regards to getting the job done that City do.
 
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I don't think you can point to a loss before Christmas as having a lack of winning mentality in the title race. From either teams. With this as you well know people are generally talking about the "business end" of the season.
When is the "business end of the season"? We won 9 of our last 10 games. That's more than a quarter of the season. So in the final 26% of the season, we dropped 2 points. If there was one game that could be called a poor approach it was the Utd draw, and that comes down to Klopp and not the team. Klopp was negative and it's something I think he does deserve some criticism for in big, away games. Did the same with us away at PSG and Barca and it failed every time.

I'd agree we have not proven a winning mentality in that we haven't won...but it's incomparable to the 2013/14 team, and fundamentally 97 points is a ridiculous total.
 
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I don't think you can point to a loss before Christmas as having a lack of winning mentality in the title race. From either teams. With this as you well know people are generally talking about the "business end" of the season.

These type of decisions generally even themselves out over the course of a season. I'm sure if I looked into it enough I could find examples of a decision going Liverpool's way that should not have leading to them getting a win they may not have gotten without that decision. As I'm sure if you wanted to you could look at decisions going Citys way and point to that as having a huge impact on them winning the title. However when you add all these up for most teams it comes fairly close in the decisions they got that they should not have and decisions they maybe should have gotten that they didn't.

City have won the most amount of league titles of any team the last decade. Even if they draw or lose that game and lost the league no you could not label them bottlers because they have already won the league. In that case the narrative would be Liverpool won the league rather than City losing it. City have proven they are not bottlers. As yet Liverpool have not proven they can go and take a league title.

Don't get me mixed up. I'm not claiming Liverpool bottled the league Most people claiming it don't actually believe it themselves but are simply winding up Pool fans. I'm simply saying that I don't think they have the same mentality as a team like City yet who if they were in Liverpool's position would not have thrown away that lead. Does that mean Liverpool bottled it? No but it also means they do not have the same mentality in regards to getting the job done that City do.
I assume this means City have no winning mentality for the CL? Because if a bottle job happened in the CL this year then we know who it was.
 
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When is the "business end of the season"? We won 9 of our last 10 games. That's more than a quarter of the season. So in the final 26% of the season, we dropped 2 points. If there was one game that could be called a poor approach it was the Utd draw, and that comes down to Klopp and not the team. Klopp was negative and it's something I think he does deserve some criticism for in big, away games. Did the same with us away at PSG and Barca and it failed every time.
That brings us back to my original question to you. Do you think you win all of those games if it is you that has a one point lead and not City?
 
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I assume this means City have no winning mentality for the CL? Because if a bottle job happened in the CL this year then we know who it was.
As of yet they don't in regards to the CL which is exactly the arguement people are using against them not being the best ever PL team.

While there can be a doubt in regards to their mentality in the Champions League. In regards to the Premier League, put simply, No there is not.
 

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The Champions League final should give an indication of Liverpools winning mentality, they're by far a better side than Spurs so they should win, if not then questions about their mentality should be asked.
 
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The Champions League final should give an indication of Liverpools winning mentality, they're by far a better side than Spurs so they should win, if not then questions about their mentality should be asked.

Liverpool have it in the bag.

Most one sided final since Utd's failure to turn up against Barca. Think Ronaldo was supposed to play that night.
 
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That brings us back to my original question to you. Do you think you win all of those games if it is you that has a one point lead and not City?
I've no idea mate, it's a bit meaningless, but I will say...yeah. I don't think there is some far greater pressure by having a lead rather than going into a game knowing we have to win to stay in touching distance.
 
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De Graafschap Ajax on Premier sports 1 then Leeds Derby happy days .
Bielsa Lampard .
See the new Scotland manager to be announced in the next 48 hrs as well .
 
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Just read one of the worst football articles ever. Some bloke was going through signings Arsenal should make during the summer. De Light, Dybala, Icardi, Immobille and Koulibaly. He reckons if we get them we'll be a real force again. Icardi would be a back up for around 40m too. Honestly who pays cunts to write this shit. It's like some fantasy wish list a 14 year old would write.
 
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