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Who will win the 2019/20 PL??


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No way Messi comes to the Premiership. I’d love to see him at Juve but the only club realistically able to attract him is PSG, imo.

I just stuck some money on him staying at Barca, it was 11/8 but surely that’s clearly the most obvious outcome to all of this.
 
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No way Messi comes to the Premiership. I’d love to see him at Juve but the only club realistically able to attract him is PSG, imo.

I just stuck some money on him staying at Barca, it was 11/8 but surely that’s clearly the most obvious outcome to all of this.
Agree he probably stays at Barca. I would also like him to go to Juve. Him and Ronaldo in the same side is a marketers dream. It's like a real life champ manager or Fifa ultimate team.
 

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He's getting old, he's slowed down, the Premier league is a bigger footballing adjustment for him than the other top European leagues, Manchester would also be a bigger cultural adjustment than Paris, Milan, or Turin say.

I just don't know if going to England at his age is a great idea. He's still a fantastic player, but does he want to get booted up and down the park on a wet Monday night in Leeds?

Lots of big names players have struggled when moving to the Premier league at the end of their careers. Not because they were bad players, or the Premier league is particularly difficult, but because it was the wrong move at the wrong time.

Also, a lot of big name Argentinians have struggled in the Premier league era. Di Maria, Veron, Higuain.

I wouldn't want him to make a mistake at this point and rob us all of the end of his career.
Oh, you're implying he wouldn't make it.

Di Maria, Veron and Higuain combined aren't fit to lace his boots. It's different.

I'm all for Messi challenging himself in arguably the most competitive league in the world, and given how he has danced circles around our best teams in the toughest club competition in the world for over a decade, I see no real reason to expect him to fail. It's all too simple for him.
 
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Oh, you're implying he wouldn't make it.

Di Maria, Veron and Higuain combined aren't fit to lace his boots. It's different.

I'm all for Messi challenging himself in arguably the most competitive league in the world, and given how he has danced circles around our best teams in the toughest club competition in the world for over a decade, I see no real reason to expect him to fail. It's all too simple for him.
I wouldn't say not make it. I just think Italy or France are an easier transition and less risky.

He would walk into any team in the world, but some teams will suit him more. I don't think City are the best choice. If I'm in his shoes I would choose Paris or Milan.
 
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City is the obvious choice and makes the most sense by far.

The system they play suits him, hed be surrounded by creative world class players as well as his best friend Aguero and obviously Pep who he loved playing for. They've also improved their defense considerably.

The pace and intensity stuff regarding the prem is just lazy bollocks that people regurgitate ad nauseam. Hed be a 33 year old playmaker at the end of the day, there really isn't that much pressure.

We already know he has typically excelled against the top English teams who are meant to have this unique physicality and intensity.
 
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If he does go to another club and is a flop, will it impact how you guys rate him against Ronaldo?
It won't make much difference to me. Both are now past prime.

If he flops its because he made the wrong move at the wrong time, or he gets injured, not because he is a bad player, or that he wouldn't have cut it in his prime.
 

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If he does go to another club and is a flop, will it impact how you guys rate him against Ronaldo?
You'd have to be an absolute numpty to believe what he does now at 33 year old has any impact on how he is viewed compared to someone like Ronaldo.

We've had well over a decade of prime for prime comparison.

People will though, United fans mainly...and weird African teenagers who comment on facebook articles with CR7 gOAt
 
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If he does go to another club and is a flop, will it impact how you guys rate him against Ronaldo?
We have 10 years of prime for prime to compare, and Ronnie genuinely has looked a level below more often than not. Sorry, it's just true. :conf

We've had to judge the comparison purely on goals sometimes just to make it a fair fight, and even then Ronnie has struggled. And Messi has been the best playmaker in the world for...how long?
 
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We have 10 years of prime for prime to compare, and Ronnie genuinely has looked a level below more often than not. Sorry, it's just true. :conf

We've had to judge the comparison purely on goals sometimes just to make it a fair fight, and even then Ronnie has struggled. And Messi has been the best playmaker in the world for...how long?
Ronaldo is the 2nd best of his generation. That's a great achievement. I don't understand why it isn't enough for some people.
 
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Ronaldo is the 2nd best of his generation. That's a great achievement. I don't understand why it isn't enough for some people.
He might even be the second best ever. He's phenomenal. An unbelievable scoring machine.

But he's been pitted against one of the best playmakers in history who also happens to score 50 a season.

So, what can you do?
 
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He might even be the second best ever. He's phenomenal. An unbelievable scoring machine.

But he's been pitted against one of the best playmakers in history who also happens to score 50 a season.

So, what can you do?
Fifth all time according to 4-4-2


15th according to 90 min.



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I don't care either way like I'm just asking, sticking with one team in one league just isn't as impressive as doing it in 3 leagues for me but that's fair enough
 

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Fifth all time according to 4-4-2


15th according to 90 min.



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'The reason Messi is number 3 on this list is because he has never won the world cup'.

To me, that is an asinine argument when you're talking about a team sport. But fair enough.

Messi is the top scorer in La Liga history, for the Argentine national team and for Barcelona. He scored 91 goals in a calendar year in 2012. He’s won a joint-record five Ballons d’Or. To date, he has won no fewer than 20 major club trophies. This incredible haul is testament to Messi’s greatness, but at the same time an entirely unsatisfactory method of trying to sum up his enormity.

He has taken goalscoring to new levels, making a mockery of the old ‘one-in-two’ yardstick of judging whether a striker is prolific. But, again, this isn’t enough. His jaw-dropping goals tally pales in comparison to the beauty with which he scores them, to the mesmerising ability he displays with unrelenting consistency, and to the breathtaking way he controls games. Just watch him: then try to say there's been someone better.
 
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I don't care either way like I'm just asking, sticking with one team in one league just isn't as impressive as doing it in 3 leagues for me but that's fair enough
It's a fair enough question, but I think the fact they both operated in the same league, at the same time, in comparable teams, allows a better comparison.

I also don't hold it against Ronaldo that he wasn't the same player pre or post Madrid. He worked hard to improve to the point he did, and has declined a bit now, but he's had a long enough prime to judge him on.

Modern pitches, rules, and sports technology has really helped to extend both their primes in fact.
 
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'The reason Messi is number 3 on this list is because he has never won the world cup'.

To me, that is an asinine argument when you're talking about a team sport. But fair enough.

Messi is the top scorer in La Liga history, for the Argentine national team and for Barcelona. He scored 91 goals in a calendar year in 2012. He’s won a joint-record five Ballons d’Or. To date, he has won no fewer than 20 major club trophies. This incredible haul is testament to Messi’s greatness, but at the same time an entirely unsatisfactory method of trying to sum up his enormity.

He has taken goalscoring to new levels, making a mockery of the old ‘one-in-two’ yardstick of judging whether a striker is prolific. But, again, this isn’t enough. His jaw-dropping goals tally pales in comparison to the beauty with which he scores them, to the mesmerising ability he displays with unrelenting consistency, and to the breathtaking way he controls games. Just watch him: then try to say there's been someone better.
I've said before that he and maradona are comparable for me. Pele is fantastic too.

Most younger fans will plump for Messi, but I don't think it's unreasonable to argue the case for the other two either.
 

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I've said before that he and maradona are comparable for me. Pele is fantastic too.

Most younger fans will plump for Messi, but I don't think it's unreasonable to argue the case for the other two either.
Well I don't claim to know much about Maradona and Pele's playing careers outside of the well documented stuff, but realistically they obviously weren't better than Messi. I think to play the game better than Messi is actually a physical impossibility. So I guess you're talking about achievements. Maradona was able to lift a World Cup. He dragged an average team to the top of the tree. I take those points. But where do we think Barcelona would have finished without Messi this season? If we let Messi punch the ball in the back of the net in the final against Germany, does that then make him a better player than Maradona? The midget may well have another 3-4 years at the top level, still winning things. You just can't fuck with the footage, you can't fuck with the individual statistics, and you can't fuck with the longevity and consistency.

I respect differing opinions, I just think in this particular case there is an obvious answer to the question of who the best football ever is.
 
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People are off their fuckin heads if they think Messi couldn't cut it in England. Even at 33 it's utter bollocks. People will bring up examples of other top players who flopped in the Premier League but this isn't just some good footballer, it's arguably the greatest of all time who still got 25 goals and 21 assists this past season. He'd have a fuckin field day against plenty of Premier League teams.
 
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