The Historic Forum's 'what fights did you watch today' thread

Yiddle

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Brian Mitchell vs Daniel londas

I scored this 146-139 , 11 mitchell ,4 londas.

This fight was competitive but I had Mitchell doing enough to win most of the rounds .

Official cards
146-145
148-143
147-138
All for Mitchell
 
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Lester1583

Can You Hear This?
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If only Canizales fought with intensity of Gomez.

If only Chandler had better defense.

If only Zarate had Arguello's durability and indomitable spirit.

If only Jofre was faster.

If only Rose had power.

If only Chucho/Herrera/Sahaprom were as known as R.Marquez.

If only Panama Al's full fights were available.

If only Shinsuke Yamanaka wasn't so amazing.
 

MadcapMaxie

RIP Morrison/Joe Rein
May 21, 2013
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Watched Holmes v Spinks II a few days ago after watching the absolute beaut that was the first fight. I didn't score it on a rounds basis but I def gave the nod to Holmes, Spinks was just nothing like the first fight where he was magic.

Also saw Anterfuermo fighting Hart who he called the hardest puncher he ever faced. Good brawl Vito's inside is very good, rarely spoken of he could get in land three, get out all without having a glove laid on him.
 
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Never really watched much Virgil Hill but I watched Hill vs Stewart today. Fuck, he was fantastic. His punches were very sharp and his movement was tremendous.

I gave him the first 3 rounds and I swear that knockout was from a jab and not a hook. Gonna find some more Hill to watch soon.
 
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Yiddle

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I haven't watched any Virgil hill in years , he never really grew on me he was a good boxer with a solid accurate jab and was pretty good defensively . He liked to stay at home in Bismarck and box I found him quite sterile to watch to be honest. I was really impressed with hearns though when he out boxed hill
 

Luf

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[MENTION=1963]Magna[/MENTION]

lets do this! you wanna go round by round or watch the full thing then post a card?
 
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Round 1
Floyd more or less dominates this one. His left is looking sharp, he's moving well, and Castillo can't touch him. Nothing more really need to be said. 10-9 Mayweather.
Round 2
Slower round. Floyd actually scores what looked to me like a borderline KD, but JLC gets a break. Floyd is quick on the hook, but not landing it like he wants too. Still, Castillo's counters are all missing, and Floyd is landing his jab and lands some sharp right hands. 10-9, Floyd. Easy to score so far.
Round 3
Much closer round. Floyd's jab and defense rule most of it, but Castillo actually cuts the ring and lands some shots. Still, he spent most of the round following and missing, and jabs are scoring punches. I'll say Floyd outboxed him this round. Have never felt those who scored this one for JLC are correct, because defense and ring generalship are score, too. 10-9 Floyd.
Round 4
I think Floyd nicked this one, but this is the first round he looked uncomfortable a bit in. Still ruling the day with his jab and movement, and actually switched to southpaw effectively real quick. Castillo finally landing some shots though, and finally making some defensive adjustments, blocking and slipping some shots. I have to go with Floyd, though. More punches, a bit cleaner work, and often seems to be leading Castillo on a chase, which is winning the generalship battle in my book. Close, and I wouldn't argue too hard if you scored it the other way, but I've got it 10-9 Mayweather.
Round 5
Body work vs. Clean head shots and effective boxing. Who you got? This was another fairly close one, but I'll take Mayweather again. More clean power shots, clean boxing, some jabs, some good stance switching. Finally, Castillo gets that body attack working, though, and he lands an absolute cracker of a left to the ribs in the round. Has a strong final minute, but I don't think he stole it. 10-9, Floyd.
Round 6
Castillo cuts the ring. Beautiful, finally. Floyd's jab is still popping, but it isn't landing anymore. Castillo has taken that punch away, and his angular attack has Floyd seeing ghosts: He's holding a lot. I don't think he likes missing, honestly, and that is mentally increasing the pressure JLC has him under. Castillo lands a beautiful right hand off of Floyd's confusion. Floyd is landing some shots back, but by and large, he's looking uncomfy, and he's getting worked to the body now. First round you can say was clear to JLC. Floyd doesn't have an argument, outlanded, harried, and harassed for three minutes. 10-9 JLC.
Round 7
Floyd is back to moving around and trying to potshot, but it isn't working anymore: JLC has figured out how to move and advance to disrupt his timing. JLC isn't pinning him or landing, but Floyd isn't controlling his motion or landing either. Floyd breaks the stalemate with a nice right. Floyd counters nicely a few times, but then JLC effectively corners him and does work. JLC working the body in the second minute, but getting countered effectively. JLC REALLY comes on late in the round, stepping off sharply and just ripping 'em off. His body work looks PAINFUL in the last couple of rounds. Closer round, but I still think you've gotta call it for JLC, pretty clear. JLC 10-9.
Round 8-
Mayweather FINALLY gets back to using his feet correctly. He makes a smart adjustment in this round: He steps backwards an extra half inch with his right feet when he responds to JLC's advances, which brings back the distance he had in the first 3. And everything is flowing off that distance, because JLC's footspeed just cannot match Mayweather's handspeed when it exists. The jab is back, and JLC's nose is bleeding in short order. JLC is sensing the tide turning, you can tell in his body language, and he's being vigorous to change that, but nothing is landing. The point deduction seems a bit harsh to me. 10-8, Mayweather. JLC needs a KD or more to win on my card now, though I wouldn't call you blind if you gave the 3rd or the 5th(THough I still think the 3rd was of the close but clear variety) to JLC.
Round 9
Mayweather lands his best shot of the night, a perfect counter right hand, and Castillo absorbs it without blinking, and you can SEE it take something from Mayweather. Mayweather's footwork is coming to pieces a bit, and here is JLC right back in with those quarter-advances(pressure fighters should just watch JLC's feet in these middle rounds, it's actually pretty impressive). JLC is landing body shots again, and is harrying Mayweather again. Mayweather isn't throwing the right anymore, I think this is when it broke if I remember correctly, and it shows. He can't keep JLC honest or off, and he's getting outworked and outgeneraled. Not a great JLC round, in that not much damage was done, but a very clear JLC round. 10-9, JLC. Btw, the shot after the bell would have been the time to take a point imo, and from Mayweather.

Lederman's card isn't bad, but I still don't see how you can give round 3 to JLC. Round 5 is fair.

Round 10
This round is the very definition of razor thin. Floyd comes out BLAZING in the first, with fire in his work. You can tell he's trying to make something stick, to blunt JLC, and JLC looks tired, so I think that's the right instinct. Mayweather just unloads, but then he looks a bit spent, and JLC comes on. Mayweather, correctly, is deduction for his favorite inside trick. This was a close round, but I like Mayweather's work. It was bigger, clearly more damaging, sharper. The zip is leaving JLC's shots, and though he won the last 90 seconds or so, it didn't look particularly damaging, persay, it was just a good load of work. 9-9 Mayweather.

Floyd is in distress in his corner, Roger looks incredibly flustered. Just thought I'd note.

Round 11
Mayweather is all but done: His right is clearly damaged, his left is fatigued, he's uncomfortable, he's in pain, and it's confusing him. He's right in front of JLC in this round. JLC is clearly slowing down, but he's taking the opportunity and just working, scoring wherever he can. Ugly round, but a very clear JLC round: He bosses it the whole way, and swamps his man. Floyd LOOKS bad. Suddenly, he wakes up, big shots. Wow, what a turn around. JLC bites his mouthpiece and keeps throwing, but Mayweather is BLASTING him all of a sudden. CLOSE round. I'm gonna give it to JLC 10-9, but I have NO problem seeing that one for Floyd. That was one of the closer rounds in the fight, right up with 5.

Round 12
Body work and some fouls by JLC, as is his staple in this fight. Mayweather looks like he has nothing left to offer, the zip is gone and the legs are wooden. JLC is the engine that could, just wading in this round, moving his hands. He's clearly tired too. JLC has a target, and slowly starts to really up his tempo and his zip- Putting more mustard into his punches as he realizes his target is no longer elusive. Some REAL power from JLC late. Floyd wants the round to end. Floyd reestablishes his jab late, seemingly willing to expend whatever his left arm has left to keep JLC off, and it works, but it nowhere near steals the round, and he winces whenever he pops it(Bet it felt like it weighed 10 lbs). 10-9 JLC, clear, clear round.

114-112, Mayweather. Just the better boxer. I thought he dominated the first half of the fight, and made a few key stands in the second half to save his night after he tired out and got hurt. His sense of timing and budgeting his draining reserves saved him this night: He won the round JLC lost a point in, and he won the round he himself lost a point in. Imo, that turned the fight. He definitely was the worse for wear fighter at the end, though. JLC with a gritty, dirty, skillfulling fought effort. Those body shots and low blows, I bet Floyd felt em for days. In the end, though, JLC entered round 6 in a pretty big hole, and when Floyd made a furious stand to blunt him AND saw a JLC point deducted in that round, it pretty much put the fight out of reach. I have to say, honestly, I think the 9-9 round is a clear one, and makes any talk of robbery a bit nonsensical, because it was JLC, not Floyd, who needed those points.
 

Luf

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jlc - pbf

1: p
2: p
3: p
4: p
5: p
6: j
7: j
8: j
9: p
10: j
11: p
12: j

112-114

i thought rounds 5, 10 and 11 were razor thin. could have gone either way tbh the scorecards announced were wide as was lederman's.

good fight and floyd took more punishment than i remembered actually.

not a robbery though.
 
May 30, 2013
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LOL on us agreeing almost completely. Even on which rounds were close. I can see a card with JLC winning, but I don't actually think it's the correct one; Floyd didn't get a gift, and JLC winning is giving him EVERY doubt. Fact is, Floyd dominated the first half of this fight. Round 5 was close, but round 3(A round I see given often to JLC) wasn't actually that close, was pretty clear. Floyd also CLEARLY picked up a 10-8 round, and that's pretty much all that needs to be said with the stupid robbery talk, imo.
 
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Ive always have that fight fairly wide for Castillo, not scored it in years but I had it 115-111 on first viewing. Might not have been appreciating PBF's work though, got to check it out again.
 
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Luf

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LOL on us agreeing almost completely. Even on which rounds were close. I can see a card with JLC winning, but I don't actually think it's the correct one; Floyd didn't get a gift, and JLC winning is giving him EVERY doubt. Fact is, Floyd dominated the first half of this fight. Round 5 was close, but round 3(A round I see given often to JLC) wasn't actually that close, was pretty clear. Floyd also CLEARLY picked up a 10-8 round, and that's pretty much all that needs to be said with the stupid robbery talk, imo.

yeah i like that jlc finished strongly like a champ but it can't overcome the start that floyd had, plus the late rounds he picked up.

close floyd victory is right for me, maybe even an md type victory would have been fair.
 
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JLC deserves all the credit in the world. He had Floyd wanting OUT in that 12th round, but he didn't win. Frankly, I think Floyd would have been cheated a bit by a draw. Those first 4 or 5 rounds are just the difference. He had JLC just as shutdown as JLC had him worn down in the back half.

Really liked Floyd's left in this fight and JLC's footwork. Made for a REALLY interesting duel for range in spots. When Floyd could stay away, JLC had no answer for the jab, and that showed in the rematch.
 

Luf

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JLC deserves all the credit in the world. He had Floyd wanting OUT in that 12th round, but he didn't win. Frankly, I think Floyd would have been cheated a bit by a draw. Those first 4 or 5 rounds are just the difference. He had JLC just as shutdown as JLC had him worn down in the back half.

Really liked Floyd's left in this fight and JLC's footwork. Made for a REALLY interesting duel for range in spots. When Floyd could stay away, JLC had no answer for the jab, and that showed in the rematch.
i liked floyd switch hitting early on, one point he went southpaw, landed a lead uppercut through jlc's guard and spun out again, beautiful stuff.

i wouldn't argue with a draw though i do think the right man won.