The Historic Forum's 'what fights did you watch today' thread

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 33: Duran vs De Jesus

1: 9-10
2: 10-9
3: 9-10
4: 9-10
5: 9-10
6: 9-10
7: 9-10
8: 10-9
9: 10-9
10: 9-10

What to make of this fight. One one hand you have the fact, the empirical fact that De Jesus seated Duran in the first and pretty much landed at will throughout the ten fights. You have the fact that De Jesus had no problem beating Duran to the punch and blocking most of the come back.

You also have the clear notion that Duran could not be arsed, other than a flurry in 8th.

Always has me in two minds this fight. On one hand you have the results of the rematches. at 135 Duran dominated De Jesus. But you also have the dishonesty of putting all of this fight on poor training.

Ultimately I feel De Jesus is one of the best LW operators in history. He proved he could beat Duran and thus most of those who would follow.

He also proved when Duran stepped it up, he had no answer.

My heart says give De Jesus all of the credit in the world for this clinic. my head says **** Duran.

Dr Jesus beats ever LW today and in most eras. war Esteban.
 

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 34: Blocker v Trinidad

1: 9-10
2: tko

Man, what happened to this Tito throughout his career? Constant movement, bobbing and weaving, looking for the counter openings and not just rushing in.

Obviously Blocker had been twice stopped before but I reckon this is the best opponent he beat at WW (let's not get started on the fight with Oscar) and he looked very good in doing so.

Between this fight and the Oscar fight he began to resemble a come forward plodding EE type fighter. Is that just due to quality of opposition, weight draining taking it's toll or had he began to slip?

I don't know. But the motivated hungry Trinidad from this fight, the one who still respected his opponent, the one who wanted to make them miss and make them pay, this Trinidad looks incredible.
 

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 35: De La Hoya v Mosley

1: 9-10
2: 10-9
3: 9-10
4: 10-9
5: 10-9
6: 10-9
7: 9-10
8: 9-10
9: 9-10
10: 9-10
11: 9-10
12: 9-10

Had to stop watching so will catch he second half tonight but I have it 4-2 for Hoya at the midway point. Don't remember this being controversial but unless Mosley turns it around I don't see how he's gonna win this one.

Round 1 and 3 Mosley put on a great display of ambush boxing landing big right hands over the jab and staying away from Oscar's power, circling away from his jab.

The rest of the first half saw Oscar stalking behind body work and imposing his strength and size. Oscar looks well in control through 6.

Second half of the fight is a different story. Mosley out jabs and out hooks Oscar. Too quick and powerful for the title holder to deal with.

Awesome performance by sugar Shane.
 

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 36: De La Hoya v Trinidad

1: 10-9
2: 10-9
3: 10-9
4: 9-10
5: 10-9
6: 10-9
7: 10-9
8: 10-9
9: 10-9
10: 9-10
11: 9-10
12: 9-10

I have it 116-112.

I've watched this a few times recently but from the point of view of defending the official scorecard. Trying to see which rounds can be justified for Tito.

Don't get me wrong I don't think this is a robbery, but it is Oscar's best performance for me. I can see it being scored a draw but if I score this fight honestly, Tito on deserves 4 rounds on my card.

Oscar boxes beautifully and it's a shame how negative he was during the last two rounds. Considering a year later he'd slug it out with Mosley in round 12 I reckon it's fair to say he'd have survived a more aggressive finale here.

Tito doesn't necessarily come off as the lesser fighter here and Oscar is never comfortable with his power, but he is certainly the inferior boxer through 12 as Oscar made him look incredibly one dimensional for 9 rounds.

The way Oscar moves and nullifies Tito shows his immense skill level.

Is it an contradiction to say this is his best performance whilst not being a robbery? I don't know. I do know this though, Tito is easily the best opponent that you can argue an Oscar victory for. He clearly lost to Mosley, Vargas and Mayorga were inferior to Tito, Camacho Chavez and Whittaker were all faded. This is the best man who Oscar gave a winning performance against. I feel I can justify Tito winning it but in my heart of hearts I see clearly Oscar deserved this.
 

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 37: Toney v McCallum

1: 10-9
2: 10-9
3: 9-10
4: 10-9
5: 9-10
6: 10-9
7: 9-10
8: 10-9
9: 10-9
10: 10-9
11: 10-9
12: 10-9

117-111

This fight is incredible. Both men operating at such a high level. Up until round 8 almost every round is a swing round.

Mike had the better jab and body work. Toney had the better power shots and defence. Both have relatively slow feet which meant the fight was fought at close quarters throughout.

I know Toney usually gets more credit for the Nunn fight but for me, banking on your body work and landing big shots against a man who was tight at the weight is not as impressive as out boxing Mike in the pocket.

It was a draw on the official card but I challenge anyone to find me a better version of Toney than the one who entered the ring this night. A draw is an understandable card but a Toney victory is the right result here.

Amazing to believe this man would be using the same tactics against Sam Peter 15 years later and for those who don't believe in artifical bulking, ask yourself which version of Toney has most success against Peter, this peak version or the 15 year older fat version. For me it's the latter hands down.
 

Luf

Jun 6, 2012
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Fight 38: Nelson v Fenech

1: 10-9
2: 10-9
3: 9-10
4: 9-10
5: 9-10
6: 9-10
7: 9-10
8: 10-9
9: 9-10
10: 9-10
11: 9-10
12: 9-10

111-117

I hate using the word robbery, so I'm not going to. Is there anyone out there who can find 7 rounds for Nelson in this fight?

I mean apart a 90 second spell on round 8, Nelson spent the last ten rounds pinned on the ropes taking a beating. He very nearly got stopped in the final round.

Fenech was a machine this night. Rapid fire combinations, incredible strength and stamina. Nelson could not deal with him. Incredible stuff from Fenech.

The only negative is how skilled the infighting was. Makes me pissed off at the state of HW boxing atm where infighting is substituted by a strong clinch game.
 
Jul 15, 2012
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Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon.

Holmes had made 14 successful defences of his World Title whereas Witherspoon had only had 13 professional fights in his career. The latter had shown some promise in his career but few gave him a chance to beat a Champion who was clearly the most dominant of his generation: after all, successful attempts after so few fights seldom happen.

However, from the first bell it was obvious that Witherspoon was not intimidated by Holmes and this made for a forgotten classic.

There were moments in the fight where Witherspoon was hurt, moments where Holmes looked like he would be stopped (he would have been in 2017) and moments when each fighter demonstrated an ability to control the fight according to their game plan.

It was a classic sadly forgotten as such.

As for the outcome: let's forget the scorecard which ridiculously gave it to Holmes by 7. However, the other 2 judges went 115-113 apiece to each man and I gave it 116-113 to Holmes who just had a bit too much experience and could grind out a win when it mattered. I would, however, have loved to have seen a rematch as the result wouldn't have been certain and boxing missed out on something which could have been special.
I also think we should mourn the way Witherspoon's subsequent career panned out because against Holmes he looked, at times, as he would be possibly be the man some time soon..
 
Jun 3, 2013
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Clearing out my YT watch later

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Juan Laporte WBC 130 lb title

1 Laporte very close
2 Chavez pretty clear
3 Laporte
4 Laporte very close

*will say Steele is doing a great job refereeing calling fouls on both guys evenly nothing controversial pretty impartial

5 Chavez though Laporte came out with a big flush right. Got Laporte ahead but he is paying a price. His left eye is fucked up
6 Chavez

Midway 57 apiece and I am impressed with Chavez punching while backing up on his toes moving well creating opportunities. Laporte stormed back at the end of 6 but it was too little too late. Close fight could easily have Chavez winning 4 rounds or 5 as Laportes only really clear round was 3

7 Chavez
8 Chavez though Laporte exchanged well at the end of the round landing some solid punches
9 Laporte *10-8 on a good call by Steele, several warnings he went low the point came
10 Laporte, very close
11 Chavez but very close. Laporte did his share of good work but Chavez closed the round stronger
12Chavez though Laporte landed his fair share

Final 114-113

Surprised to see many score 12 for Laporte 1 judge had it real wide

Chavez definitely won but its close. Great fight
 

Phantom

Curious member...
May 17, 2013
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Today i watched Pacquiao-De La Hoya...or as Teddy Atlas pronounces it "Dee La Hoya"...and I was impressed at how much of a buzz saw Pac was...and how badly he whipped Oscar...no matter if it was a past it version of ODLH. It's pointless to encapsulate the rounds...to give a play by play...it was a one sided, bitch of a beat down...and it was one fight away from Pac;s best performance, as if this one needed topping...over Ricky Hatton. Why comment on this fight? Well, this version of Pac was him at his near best...not that washed out version that met the cherry picking champ. That's my only observation besides to comment on what a master class beat down it was. That's all.
 

desertlizard

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Baby Arizmendi's hometown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrOu2LyNJg
had it

monzon 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 149
griffith 9 9 9 10 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 136

damn what a great jab monzon had, griffith couldnt do much against the tallest guy best significant punches were carlos all the way, even knowing that his brother died violently he gave one hell of a match not falling into a mental breakdown
 
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thehook13

‪#‎Pray4Khan‬
May 16, 2013
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My copy has no commentary. Just crowd and fighting. Fucking breath taking fight this was

Zero self preservation from pryor
 

thehook13

‪#‎Pray4Khan‬
May 16, 2013
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Smashing through Tapias career.

I have never looked at it from such an exclusive perspective. What a warrior that man was, he was the peoples fighter of New Mexico.

War TAPIA!
 
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Phantom

Curious member...
May 17, 2013
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had it

monzon 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 149
griffith 9 9 9 10 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 136

damn what a great jab monzon had, griffith couldnt do much against the tallest guy best significant punches were carlos all the way, even knowing that his brother died violently he gave one hell of a match not falling into a mental breakdown
As you probably know, this was Monzon's first fight after a lengthy lay off due to his wife shooting him in the arm and shoulder during a domestic incident (poor woman)...and the champ wasn't at his best. Not taking away from the great EG, but I think Monzon may have been a trifle overconfident for this one. Next came another less than sterling, but winning performance vs Jean-Claude Bouttier. Carlos wouldn't return to form again until Feb. of 1974 vs Jose Napoles.