The Historic Forum's 'what fights did you watch today' thread

Just watched Hearns Barkley 1. Who would of thought that would of happened at the time? Just before the knockout, Hearns corner are shouting to him, "keep them downstairs". Bad advice! I think it was Gil Clancy who said afterwards "just goes to show,anything can happen in boxing! Barkley "I didn't have time to bleed".
I like Barkley, but he really never excelled with others. It just seems like he had Hearns number and no one else. He was exciting, but sort of a open fighter. The fact is had Tommy stayed focused in the first fight, he was going to stop Barkley on cuts between rounds.
 

tommygun711

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The fact is had Tommy stayed focused in the first fight, he was going to stop Barkley on cuts between rounds.
That's a ridiculous statement. And it's not much of a fact. You can do this with any fight. "Had Foreman paced himself vs Ali better he wouldn't have been knocked out." You don't afford Duran the same kind of excuses for some reason, maybe because Tommy Hearns is your favorite fighter.
 

Trail

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clay-liston.

a masterclass lesson in boxing :good
I was talking to my Dad about this fight yesterday. I know fuck all mainly about HW boxing, but my Dad was talking me through the fight. Clay put on a masterclass.

The second fight was a little bit strange, was Liston paid to take a dive?
 

hazza

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I was talking to my Dad about this fight yesterday. I know fuck all mainly about HW boxing, but my Dad was talking me through the fight. Clay put on a masterclass.

The second fight was a little bit strange, was Liston paid to take a dive?
it was strange, it seemed sonny could get up, later i think he claimed he didn't hear the count properly, the fight actually continues for a bit then the ref realised the 10 had been reached and he called it for ali.

so yeah a slight blemish (not ali's fault) on an otherwise unbelievable career.

but that first fight was a thing of beauty. as was ali-foreman. another masterclass on how its done :good
 
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Trail

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it was strange, it seemed sonny could get up, later i think he claimed he didn't hear the count properly, the fight actually continues for a bit then the ref realised the 10 had been reached and he called it for ali.

so yeah a slight blemish (not ali's fault) on an otherwise unbelievable career.

but that first fight was a thing of beauty. as was ali-foreman. another masterclass on how its done :good
Ali - Frazier first fight also - I know Joe got the job done, but hadn't Ali been out of the ring for three years other than two tune up fights?
 

hazza

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Ali - Frazier first fight also - I know Joe got the job done, but hadn't Ali been out of the ring for three years other than two tune up fights?
yep and joe frazier had every right to win that fight too, after all the shit ali had been saying about him.

especially since joe had helped ali get his boxing license back.

there's a video on you tube with cus (tyson's trainer) telling ali - and actually demonstrating to him - how he was going to lose to joe frazier.

cus was right on every point - it happened exactly the way he said.

the man was a genius.
 

Trail

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yep and joe frazier had every right to win that fight too, after all the shit ali had been saying about him.

especially since joe had helped ali get his boxing license back.

there's a video on you tube with cus (tyson's trainer) telling ali - and actually demonstrating to him - how he was going to lose to joe frazier.

cus was right on every point - it happened exactly the way he said.

the man was a genius.
I'm having a look at that video now.
 

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Been watching as many of Steve Collins' fights as I can get my hands on lately. Always enjoyed watching the guy and listening to his podcast with Tris Dixon got me back in the mood for more.
 
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Name a fighter (or fighters) who was undefeated against undefeated fighters and only lost by KO to fighters who were KO'd
 
Watching Norton - Holmes after work. I really don't watch The Easton Assassin enough. Fantastic footwork, lateral movement, hand speed, terrific powers of recovery and a world class jab. Would have loved to see peak Holmes in the 90's, instead of the 80's.
 
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The other day I watched a fun early fight in Dariusz Michalczewski's light heavyweight title run against Roberto Dominguez. Michalczewski was dropped by a cracking uppercut in the first round, rocked again in the second, but turned it around by finishing Dominguez suddenly with a flush left hook.

 

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i've never been comfortable with the idea that barkley had hearn's number.

it's a great style/attributes matchup for him and he did great in both fights, but i think the first fight shows enough that if they fought 10 times hearns is going to win 3-5.
 

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i've never been comfortable with the idea that barkley had hearn's number.

it's a great style/attributes matchup for him and he did great in both fights, but i think the first fight shows enough that if they fought 10 times hearns is going to win 3-5.
Like you said I think stylistically it is just a terrible match up for Hearns. Also not the ideal weight class for Hearns.

Hearns will probably always light up Barkley early on but.. Barkley has the power to hurt Hearns and if he can absorb Hearns' assault (as Barkley proved he can) he likely wins most of the time.
 
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