The Historic Forum's 'what fights did you watch today' thread

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I just watched a nice entertaining scrap between the then unbeaten Sultan Ibragamov and 6'8 Lance Whitaker. Ibragamov dropped Whitaker multiple times before the end came but also had a point deducted for low blows and although he didn't protest himself I thought that was harsh, the opponent is 6'8 and the punches looked to be on the belt to me, didn't matter in the end though as a punch opened up a cut on the right eyebrow of Whitaker in the 7th and he unfortunately took this as an opportunity to quit telling the doctor that he can see "a little bit" and then when asked if he wanted to continue multiple times he was not committal and eventually told the doctor he can stop it.
 
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Not very historic but 8 years ago today's rewatch took place originally, ahead of tomorrow night's rematch I dug out the tape to watch the then undefeated P4P star Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez successfully defend his WBA World Junior-Flyweight Title against Mexico's Juan Francisco Estrada. What a great fight too plenty of action and grit shown from both men, Estrada I thought came on stronger late on whereas Gonzalez started stronger, a fight of two halves but very tough to score with many close rounds.

At the end I had the champion retaining his title as did the judges although I only had it so because I couldn't split em, 114-114 on my card but official scores of 118-110 and 116-112 twice sealed it for Gonzalez on the night. I thought that was extremely harsh but no problem with the eventual outcome. Tomorrow night we'll see if it's repeat or revenge!
 
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Just watched Roy Jones Jr get Richard Frazier out of there in the 2nd, Frazier was terrified, ran for 5 minutes and then half-heartedly got up at 9 didn't show the ref he wanted to continue despite not being badly hurt and the ref quite rightly ended the contest, disappointing from Frazier who had an opportunity to try and claim Jones' WBC & WBA Light Heavyweight titles, he moaned to the ref "I got up at 9" sure, he did, so did Charles Martin when he "fought" Joshua but like Martin, Frazier didn't want to fight, by the time the winner was being annouced Frazier had a big smile on his face and so clearly wasn't too upset after all.

Was the first time I saw a boxer (Frazier) proudly represent his police department employer in the ring (or former employer) he wore a police cap and had NYPD on his shorts, I thought that was very strange, I hope he had more guts when he responded to an emergency call than he did in the ring on this night.
 

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watched a lot of hagler fights over the last month or however long it's been.

i used to view the antufermo fights in a dimmer light, but man did hagler look good in there against a top level guy(and he won both of them, fuck corruption)
 
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Watched Naseem Hamed's pro debut yesterday. reflexes of a cat and a punch of a man twice his weight.
 

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Wasn't JCC 89-0 when this fight happened? I didn't watch it first time out but saw the rerun.
He was undefeated in 90 fights,he had the Sweet Pea draw from a few months earlier.
 
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Not sure if this qualifies, but I went down the worm hole watching "Best KO" videos. Best body punch, best left hook, best straight right, etc. and there are some brutal KO's in those videos.

I especially love the delayed reactions to many of the body shot stoppages----------guy takes a liver shot, steps back 2 steps with his hands still up and all of a sudden he's on his knees doubled over in pain.
 
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Not every fighter uses his height and reach advantages effectively over their smaller challenger but no such problem occurred when the 1984 Olympic Gold Medallist took on a fighter 2 years his junior but with 7 more pro fights under his belt.

Orlando Canizales dropped Paul Gonzales in the 3rd round of their first fight in Nevada against the run of play too, it caught me by surprise but it was nicely set up, a distraction lead hand was thrown with no intention of doing any damage but instead take the champion's eye of the real threat and a lightning fast right hand followed over the top and put him on the canvas. Gonzales was straight up though and Mills Lane was happy for the contest to continue.

An accidental head clash in the 10th gave Gonzales the first cut of his career and the commentators gave Canizales that round to add to the 10-8 scored in the 3rd but it was a pretty comfortable win for the defending NABF flyweight champion. With official scores of 118-109(x2) and 117-110 Gonzales retained his title. The feeling I left with was that it was a tad early for Canizales, he looked a bit green and was in there with the Olympic champion, lots of movement and feints but ultimately that was largely ineffective as he was kept at bay all afternoon with a good double and triple jab from the longer man.
 
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Not every fighter uses his height and reach advantages effectively over their smaller challenger but no such problem occurred when the 1984 Olympic Gold Medallist took on a fighter 2 years his junior but with 7 more pro fights under his belt.

Orlando Canizales dropped Paul Gonzales in the 3rd round of their first fight in Nevada against the run of play too, it caught me by surprise but it was nicely set up, a distraction lead hand was thrown with no intention of doing any damage but instead take the champion's eye of the real threat and a lightning fast right hand followed over the top and put him on the canvas. Gonzales was straight up though and Mills Lane was happy for the contest to continue.

An accidental head clash in the 10th gave Gonzales the first cut of his career and the commentators gave Canizales that round to add to the 10-8 scored in the 3rd but it was a pretty comfortable win for the defending NABF flyweight champion. With official scores of 118-109(x2) and 117-110 Gonzales retained his title. The feeling I left with was that it was a tad early for Canizales, he looked a bit green and was in there with the Olympic champion, lots of movement and feints but ultimately that was largely ineffective as he was kept at bay all afternoon with a good double and triple jab from the longer man.
Paul Gonzales was the winner of the Val Barker trophy for being the most outstanding Boxer at the 1984 Olympics. Quite an accomplishment considering he was part of talent packed American team that produced legends.

Despite the hype and early promise his professional career never reached the same heights.

He fought for the World Title against Orlando Canizales in a rematch and Orlando got his revenge. Canizales came out like a man posessed attacked relentlessly in the first Gonzales got cut from an accidental cut, the fight was stopped in the second round on the advice of the doctor.

Gonzales top level career pretty much ended that night . He fought four more times went 2-2 and retired just over a year later. At the age of 27.

He is currently awaiting trial for allegedly molesting a teenage girl.

 
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Paul Gonzales was the winner of the Val Barker trophy for being the most outstanding Boxer at the 1984 Olympics. Quite an accomplishment considering he was part of talent packed American team that produced legends.

Despite the hype and early promise his professional career never reached the same heights.

He fought for the World Title against Orlando Canizales in a rematch and Orlando got his revenge. Canizales came out like a man posessed attacked relentlessly in the first Gonzales got cut from an accidental cut, the fight was stopped in the second round on the advice of the doctor.

Gonzales top level career pretty much ended that night . He fought four more times went 2-2 and retired just over a year later. At the age of 27.

He is currently awaiting trial for allegedly molesting a teenage girl.

I'll be taking a look at the rematch, I understand Canizales was already champion by the time the rematch came around. 27 is young, sounds like potential going unrealised though at least he did fight for the world title that's an achievement in itself, not everyone can win one so that's OK but let's hope he's not guilty of these charges, I wonder why he didn't stay in boxing after his retirement, maybe he just didn't love it anymore?
 
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I'll be taking a look at the rematch, I understand Canizales was already champion by the time the rematch came around. 27 is young, sounds like potential going unrealised though at least he did fight for the world title that's an achievement in itself, not everyone can win one so that's OK but let's hope he's not guilty of these charges, I wonder why he didn't stay in boxing after his retirement, maybe he just didn't love it anymore?

He retired due to chronic injuries in that era there was a "no pain no gain" mentality and mantra. So athletes instead of doing proper re-hab for injuries often pushed themselves harder in training which led to many a career ending prematurely.

Gonzales was employed as a boxing coach by LA county to work with at risk youth ( The pending charges are related to his work as a boxing coach). And did so for many years and remained a local celebrity in East LA. Oscar De-La Hoya who came from the same neighbourhood and the same amateur boxing gym went on to do what Gonzales was supposed to in the professional ranks.


Anyways the above 7 minute Transworld Sports documentary gives a bit more insight into his life and career.
 
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He retired due to chronic injuries in that era there was a "no pain no gain" mentality and mantra. So athletes instead of doing proper re-hab for injuries often pushed themselves harder in training which led to many a career ending prematurely.

Gonzales was employed as a boxing coach by LA county to work with at risk youth ( The pending charges are related to his work as a boxing coach). And did so for many years and remained a local celebrity in East LA. Oscar De-La Hoya who came from the same neighbourhood and the same amateur boxing gym went on to do what Gonzales was supposed to in the professional ranks.


Anyways the above 7 minute Transworld Sports documentary gives a bit more insight into his life and career.
That was a good watch I'm sorry it was so short (like his pro career). So he did stay in boxing, these pending charges could fetch him up to 18 years if convicted, that's a real sentence if given (would never get or even be facing that here would he?), obviously I can have no idea of his guilt or innocence but the State are claiming they have lewd texts, photos etc. yet Gonzales has still entered a not guilty plea so what to make of it?

That untouched mural that sits in LA which he's so proud of probably won't stay pristine if he's convicted (or maybe it's already been defaced by now). The Department for Parks reacted by banning ALL 1-1 closed door interaction between adult and child at the gym now because of these allegations and have already accepted liability by paying the complaining witness compensation before trial so all that can't be good news for Gonzales' defence team, based on the little info I've got it's not looking good for him at all.
 
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That was a good watch I'm sorry it was so short (like his pro career). So he did stay in boxing, these pending charges could fetch him up to 18 years if convicted, that's a real sentence if given (would never get or even be facing that here would he?), obviously I can have no idea of his guilt or innocence but the State are claiming they have lewd texts, photos etc. yet Gonzales has still entered a not guilty plea so what to make of it?

That untouched mural that sits in LA which he's so proud of probably won't stay pristine if he's convicted (or maybe it's already been defaced by now). The Department for Parks reacted by banning ALL 1-1 closed door interaction between adult and child at the gym now because of these allegations and have already accepted liability by paying the complaining witness compensation before trial so all that can't be good news for Gonzales' defence team, based on the little info I've got it's not looking good for him at all.
Well I dont want to prejudge the man. And wait till he has his day in court. All I can say is his name will be dirt in his old neighbourhood.

If found guilty the backlash will be huge considering the degree of adulation he received. People will be very disappointed.

Documentary is a bit too short.
But the following article by
The LA Times in 1987. Is like an eyewitness account of how huge a star he was he could command $20,000 for a motivational speech at a corporate seminar there was even a discussion of a Hollywood movie about his life story major corporations were interested in having him promote their products. For a brief period of time he was on his way to becoming a superstar...! Things did not quite work out that way his professional career was a flop... Instead a kid named De La Hoya emerged from the same hood. And won olympic Gold in 1992 and became a marketing sensation and received corporate sponsorship from every direction and then some. Paul Gonzales by that time was already retired and became yesterdays news.



 
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