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Beefcake

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EDIT: Just re-read your post, it's roughly 8% here in the UK... Is Sanders proposing a 4% flat rate system?

I haven't been keeping up with US politics.
4% income tax on all incomes over $29,000 per year was the main funding mechanism in the bill. Sanders also plans to reform taxes to alleviate the poor and middle classes, and place a larger share on those in the highest tax brackets.

Since I'm already familiar with the numbers from an earlier discussion in the thread, let's use Jay-Z as an example:
~$80,000,000 annual income (2018)
$6,400,000 annual contribution to Medicare for All

And before anyone else tries to start a fucking pity party for Jay-Z, that motherfucker is a BILLIONAIRE with more money than any of us could save if we worked for hundreds of years and never spent any of it.
 
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4% income tax on all incomes over $29,000 per year was the main funding mechanism in the bill. Sanders also plans to reform taxes to alleviate the poor and middle classes, and place a larger share on those in the highest tax brackets.

Since I'm already familiar with the numbers from an earlier discussion in the thread, let's use Jay-Z as an example:
~$80,000,000 annual income (2018)
$6,400,000 annual contribution to Medicare for All

And before anyone else tries to start a fucking pity party for Jay-Z, that motherfucker is a BILLIONAIRE with more money than any of us could save if we worked for hundreds of years and never spent any of it.
So the first 29,000 is tax free? That means that someone making 58,000 a year is only paying an effective health care tax rate of 2% under that scenario.
 

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4% income tax on all incomes over $29,000 per year was the main funding mechanism in the bill. Sanders also plans to reform taxes to alleviate the poor and middle classes, and place a larger share on those in the highest tax brackets.

Since I'm already familiar with the numbers from an earlier discussion in the thread, let's use Jay-Z as an example:
~$80,000,000 annual income (2018)
$6,400,000 annual contribution to Medicare for All

And before anyone else tries to start a fucking pity party for Jay-Z, that motherfucker is a BILLIONAIRE with more money than any of us could save if we worked for hundreds of years and never spent any of it.
No particular argument against that.

I have no idea how you go about implementing this into the current US health system, admittedly... would you need to recruit specific staff or could the current healthcare professionals earn a similar salary taken off the income from the tax (plus I assume part of the system will still be paid at point of use) or have a two tier system of Medicare and private healthcare staff.

In the early stages of it you would need to monitor it very closely to ensure it was sustainable, one problem I think you would find is initially there would be a run on it from people with existing conditions, people taking advantage of the free services and hypochondriac fuckers who go to hospital every time they get an itchy arse... trust me, this is a problem with our own NHS.

But if you monitor it carefully, give it time to mature and think through the infrastructure and implementation, then I think it would be doable. I have doubts that 4% is enough, even at 8% for everyone, our system is under huge strain all the time.
 

Beefcake

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So the first 29,000 is tax free? That means that someone making 58,000 a year is only paying an effective health care tax rate of 2% under that scenario.
No. I forgot to mention this time around that the exemption is for families of four (or more, presumably) making less than $29,000.

A single person making $29,000 would still pay the 4% tax for Medicare for All.
 
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Doubles down on comparing a JEWISH MAN who LOST FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST to Hitler

Yer Chetnik Nazi is showing again Vino

That and yer room temperature IQ
Why's Bernie so happy to be in the presence of a terrorist sympathiser and jihad supporter?

 

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just chillin

thats great

I already said I dont like it

its a mistake

see how that works?

I am able to disagree with my preferred candidate on something,I am able to point out what I think is an error of judgement on his part

YOU CANT DO THE SAME

because you are a dumb cunt in the dumbest of cults

all you are doing here is PROVING just how fucked in the head you are
 

Beefcake

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No particular argument against that.

I have no idea how you go about implementing this into the current US health system, admittedly... would you need to recruit specific staff or could the current healthcare professionals earn a similar salary taken off the income from the tax (plus I assume part of the system will still be paid at point of use) or have a two tier system of Medicare and private healthcare staff.

In the early stages of it you would need to monitor it very closely to ensure it was sustainable, one problem I think you would find is initially there would be a run on it from people with existing conditions, people taking advantage of the free services and hypochondriac fuckers who go to hospital every time they get an itchy arse... trust me, this is a problem with our own NHS.

But if you monitor it carefully, give it time to mature and think through the infrastructure and implementation, then I think it would be doable. I have doubts that 4% is enough, even at 8% for everyone, our system is under huge strain all the time.
Sanders has declared that, under Medicare for All, medical treatments will be free at the point of service.

Healthcare professionals should still be able to operate from medical centers and their own clinics, like normal. The government would largely take over the role of funding from private insurance, without the profit-driven negotiations over what gets paid for and what does not.

Monitoring costs will be important. Our government currently spends about $1trillion a year on Medicare, Medicaid, and other medical programs. Implementing Medicare for All would replace all of these programs, and would have $1T to start with before even having to collect the 4% M4A tax...more if Sanders' tax reform is also implemented.

Jeff Bezos' Medicare for All 4% contribution alone would be over $3billion, based on his ~$78.5billion annual income.
 
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Bernie Sanders fires back on CNN report saying he told Elizabeth Warren a woman can't be president: 'Ludicrous'


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) isn't standing for CNN's new and explosive report about his candidacy.
Back in December 2018, before both Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) had announced their presidential campaigns, the two close friends met to discuss their likely 2020 faceoff. And after Warren laid out her agenda for a potential run, Sanders apparently told her he didn't think a woman could win the presidency, "two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting" told CNN.

In the meeting, both Sanders and Warren agreed they "should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement," CNN writes. Warren then reportedly said she could win because she could "make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters," to which Sanders replied "he did not believe a woman could win," CNN continues.

Warren's communications director declined to comment, but Sanders had a vehement response:
It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win. It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/889147/bernie-sanders-fires-back-cnn-report-saying-told-elizabeth-warren-woman-cant-president-ludicrous

:lol:

Corporate 'news' outlets doing their best to try and derail Bernie after suddenly noticing he keeps going up in the polls and has a chance to win this thing

THEY ARE FUCKING TERRIFIED OF THAT

BERNIE 2020
 
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Bernie Sanders fires back on CNN report saying he told Elizabeth Warren a woman can't be president: 'Ludicrous'


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) isn't standing for CNN's new and explosive report about his candidacy.
Back in December 2018, before both Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) had announced their presidential campaigns, the two close friends met to discuss their likely 2020 faceoff. And after Warren laid out her agenda for a potential run, Sanders apparently told her he didn't think a woman could win the presidency, "two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting" told CNN.

In the meeting, both Sanders and Warren agreed they "should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement," CNN writes. Warren then reportedly said she could win because she could "make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters," to which Sanders replied "he did not believe a woman could win," CNN continues.

Warren's communications director declined to comment, but Sanders had a vehement response:



https://theweek.com/speedreads/889147/bernie-sanders-fires-back-cnn-report-saying-told-elizabeth-warren-woman-cant-president-ludicrous

:lol:

Corporate 'news' outlets doing their best to try and derail Bernie after suddenly noticing he keeps going up in the polls and has a chance to win this thing

THEY ARE FUCKING TERRIFIED OF THAT

BERNIE 2020
If this is the best they have against Bernie with less than a month until Iowa, then the anti-Bernie forces within the Democratic Party should be even more worried than they already are.
 

Beefcake

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Bernie Sanders fires back on CNN report saying he told Elizabeth Warren a woman can't be president: 'Ludicrous'


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) isn't standing for CNN's new and explosive report about his candidacy.
Back in December 2018, before both Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) had announced their presidential campaigns, the two close friends met to discuss their likely 2020 faceoff. And after Warren laid out her agenda for a potential run, Sanders apparently told her he didn't think a woman could win the presidency, "two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting" told CNN.

In the meeting, both Sanders and Warren agreed they "should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement," CNN writes. Warren then reportedly said she could win because she could "make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters," to which Sanders replied "he did not believe a woman could win," CNN continues.

Warren's communications director declined to comment, but Sanders had a vehement response:



https://theweek.com/speedreads/889147/bernie-sanders-fires-back-cnn-report-saying-told-elizabeth-warren-woman-cant-president-ludicrous

:lol:

Corporate 'news' outlets doing their best to try and derail Bernie after suddenly noticing he keeps going up in the polls and has a chance to win this thing

THEY ARE FUCKING TERRIFIED OF THAT

BERNIE 2020
Warren needs to very publicly set the story straight.
 
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