Brit/Ire The Joseph Gallagher Thread

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Lilo

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One of the most successful British trainers in recent times, and will only achieve more as we move into 2016. Had success in the amateurs (having boxed himself) and his list of credits include:

John Murray (British & European Champ)
Scott Cardle (Unbeaten British Champ)
Paul Smith (British Champ)
Liam Smith (WBO Champ)
Stephen Smith (British & Commonwealth Champ)
Callum Smith (Unbeaten British Champ)
Anthony Crolla (British Champ)
Scott Quigg (WBA Champ)
Matt Macklin (European Champ)

Trainer of the Year 2015. Went 49-0 in 2011 with his stable. Never really been given a huge, natural talent like Booth with Haye, McGuigan with Frampton or Sims/McCracken with Joshua - until he got Callum Smith..

So he works extremely hard, he gets results from fighters who are talented and improves those who are not. Why do people not like him? Is it because the UK prefers an underdog, someone more humble? Why not support a successful trainer who has a stable that would be the envy of 99% of others?

[video=youtube;VT0PRRmohxo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT0PRRmohxo[/video]
 
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Rob

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It is half that he is a genuinley annoying bloke. He reminds me of the shit player who joins your football team and then makes himself the defacto vice captain, washing the kit and bringing the oranges to justify his spot on the team. I would say the biggest reason for the dislike is that he tends to act as a matchmaker for his fighters and in that role he is massively overly cautious. I think it is fair to say if there is one thing that unites boxing fans its overly cautious matchmaking. I mean when you look at the 49-0 90% of the fights were against journeyman. Add to that he is just a bit David Brentish and he is interviewed 5x more than any other trainer due to the fact he trains 5x more prominent fighters than anyone else.

The other half is that he is an easy target, a few of the people on here and plenty of those on twitter are sheep. Guys who are envious of success because they have none themselves, and find pleasure in taking the piss out of people who cannot retaliate.

But yeh he deserves more respect.
 
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Ryu

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It says in that article Gallagher has a full time job alongside his training duties????

What is his full time job other then full time knobhead????
 

SoF

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Thats from about 4 years ago that article. So I think he has jacked his job in now and committed himself to be a full time knobhead.
 

Lilo

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Yeah I remember that article, did Gallagher ever respond? Suppose he could've easily bitten back - no need for Kaye's to go public was there?

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SoF

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Personality wise he is the opposite of Phil Martin but he deserves respect for his achievements, good OP
He's good at implementing his style on fighters but I think he is quite one dimensional in his approach. His fighters seem to be good front foot fighters but with a very apparent lack of head movement. Think the idea behind it is too much head movement wastes energy but so does taking an accumulation of punches to the face. You need to have a decent set of whiskers to be trained by him. Stephen Smith against Selby, Crolla against Matthews, Cardle against Dodd and even Murray full stop highlights this.

I didn't like that way he let Murray take a career shortening punishment against Rios either, it became difficult for me to watch and I have no affinity towards Murray so am not sure what was going through his head whilst watching it.
 
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He's good at implementing his style on fighters but I think he is quite one dimensional in his approach. His fighters seem to be good front foot fighters but with a very apparent lack of head movement. Think the idea behind it is too much head movement wastes energy but so does taking an accumulation of punches to the face. You need to have a decent set of whiskers to be trained by him. Stephen Smith against Selby, Crolla against Matthews, Cardle against Dodd and even Murray full stop highlights this.

I didn't like that way he let Murray take a career shortening punishment against Rios either, it became difficult for me to watch and I have no affinity towards Murray so am not sure what was going through his head whilst watching it.
Which UK trainers would you say teach good head movement?
 

A Force

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One of the most successful British trainers in recent times, and will only achieve more as we move into 2016. Had success in the amateurs (having boxed himself) and his list of credits include:

John Murray (British & European Champ)
Scott Cardle (Unbeaten British Champ)
Paul Smith (British Champ)
Liam Smith (WBO Champ)
Stephen Smith (British & Commonwealth Champ)
Callum Smith (Unbeaten British Champ)
Anthony Crolla (British Champ)
Scott Quigg (WBA Champ)
Matt Macklin (European Champ)

Trainer of the Year 2015. Went 49-0 in 2011 with his stable. Never really been given a huge, natural talent like Booth with Haye, McGuigan with Frampton or Sims/McCracken with Joshua - until he got Callum Smith..

So he works extremely hard, he gets results from fighters who are talented and improves those who are not. Why do people not like him? Is it because the UK prefers an underdog, someone more humble? Why not support a successful trainer who has a stable that would be the envy of 99% of others?

[video=youtube;VT0PRRmohxo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT0PRRmohxo[/video]
His success has no impact on whether he's likeable or not to me.

Floyd Mayweather's the most successful fighter of his era but there's no doubt he's a massive bell end.

Gallagher for years has stopped good fights from happening.

Frampton - Quigg would've happened years ago if it wasn't for him stopping it & all this negotiation nonsense wouldn't have happened because this time round it would've been a rematch with the A side been the fighter who won the first fight.

His constant digs in interviews at other fighters, the John Murray episode, calling Rocky, Michael & been a twat to Oliver Harrison the other week, the Kerry Kayes episode.

The way he absolutely tore Fielding apart for coming in overweight a couple of years back but then took no responsibility for Paul Smith coming in as a Cruiserweight against Ward.

You only have to look at the way other trainers see him to realise what he's like as they're in general a close bunch & respect each other.

As for his fighters, most of the ones you listed aren't his as such. His fighters were the Murray brothers & currently Burton & Morrison. The rest he's had given to him.
 

A Force

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And the worst of the lot was letting John Murray take that pretty much career ending beating against Rios.
 
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It's telling how many other trainers hate Gallagher, you can say it's jealously or whatever but i doubt it, Gallagher acts like Freddie Roach yet up until recently he'd never even trained a proper world champion, He stops big fights from happening and is always trying to grab the limelight and make it about himself. Guys a massive bellend a deeply arrogant man.
 

SoF

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I wouldn't really class him as particularly good at it to be honest. My point being, training head movement is just not something British trainers are good at.
Booth is very good at teaching head movement, but I agree that its not a very British trait but Joe's fighters seem implement none whatsoever, specially considering he wants them to be in the pocket all the time.

What Joe is good at is getting his fighters in great condition (minus Paul Smith)
 

Chinny

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Good observations [MENTION=14463]Soldier_of_Fortune[/MENTION] and yes allowing Murray to continue v Rios was cruel.

BTW your user name is a pain in the arse to quote, go easy on the underscores :lol:
 

Lilo

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Thats from about 4 years ago that article. So I think he has jacked his job in now and committed himself to be a full time knobhead.
:lol:

His success has no impact on whether he's likeable or not to me.

Floyd Mayweather's the most successful fighter of his era but there's no doubt he's a massive bell end.

Gallagher for years has stopped good fights from happening.

Frampton - Quigg would've happened years ago if it wasn't for him stopping it & all this negotiation nonsense wouldn't have happened because this time round it would've been a rematch with the A side been the fighter who won the first fight.

His constant digs in interviews at other fighters, the John Murray episode, calling Rocky, Michael & been a twat to Oliver Harrison the other week, the Kerry Kayes episode.

The way he absolutely tore Fielding apart for coming in overweight a couple of years back but then took no responsibility for Paul Smith coming in as a Cruiserweight against Ward.

You only have to look at the way other trainers see him to realise what he's like as they're in general a close bunch & respect each other.

As for his fighters, most of the ones you listed aren't his as such. His fighters were the Murray brothers & currently Burton & Morrison. The rest he's had given to him.
I would counter some of this by saying:

Frampton Quigg has been made at absolutely the right time. Big money unification after great exposure recently for both fighters.

He's trained Callum Smith and Scott Cardle since their debut I believe and has irrefutably improved his two world champions a lot! I'd say they are his fighters, they use a Gallagher style and have been successful with it
 

Journeyman Jeff

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I wouldn't really class him as particularly good at it to be honest. My point being, training head movement is just not something British trainers are good at.
Adam Booth coaches head movement very well, the Ingles are probably among the best in the world for head movement and have being for the last 30 years.
 
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