The last fight you watched thread

Trail

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Yamanaka looked bad in that fight.

Finished as a top champion almost.

The more surprising was his KO stoppage of Moreno - which is a serious contender for the win of the year award.
Watched the second Moreno fight again the other day, that was a decent fight. Can't help thinking, however, that Moreno has been in way too many wars for his own good.
 

Lester1583

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Watched the second Moreno fight again the other day, that was a decent fight. Can't help thinking, however, that Moreno has been in way too many wars for his own good.
Moreno is past his prime, true, but he was still the same Moreno that beat Yamanaka a year ago.

He just fought more aggressively this time, probably cuz of the first fight robbery, against a better prepared fighter, and paid the price for it.
 
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Trail

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Moreno is past his prime, true, but he was still the same Moreno that beat Yamanaka a year ago.

He just fought more aggressively this time, probably cuz of the first fight robbery, against a better prepared fighter, and paid the price for it.
Off on a tangent here, scroll further up and you'll see I had another look at Hamed-Kelley last night. Naseem Hamed was stupidly talented, stupidly...but the tail end of his career left us with more questions than answers, wouldn't you say?
 

Trail

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Going to have another look at the first Yamanaka-Moreno fight @Lester1583 I seem to recall first time out there being a robbery there.
 

Lester1583

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Off on a tangent here, scroll further up and you'll see I had another look at Hamed-Kelley last night. Naseem Hamed was stupidly talented, stupidly...but the tail end of his career left us with more questions than answers, wouldn't you say?
Nah, Hamed left a pretty good legacy behind.

Enough for us to judge him without going into Tony Ayala fantasy territory.

Sure, if he was more dedicated, less popular, worshipped Bomber Graham more feverishly, he could've achieved more.

But these are just "what ifs" and "coulda-woulda" that can be applied to almost any fighter.

The controversy that still surrounds his name is what spawns endless debates and polar opposite opinions.

Also:
I'd say even before the S.Robinson fight (excellent performance) Hamed already started to show small signs of technical decline.

Somewhere between Liendo and Perez fights, I think.

Less movement, more emphasize on pure punching power.
 

Trail

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Nah, Hamed left a pretty good legacy behind.

Enough for us to judge him without going into Tony Ayala fantasy territory.

Sure, if he was more dedicated, less popular, worshipped Bomber Graham more feverishly, he could've achieved more.

But these are just "what ifs" and "coulda-woulda" that can be applied to almost any fighter.

The controversy that still surrounds his name is what spawns endless debates and polar opposite opinions.

Also:
I think Hamed's discipline let him down towards the end of his career. Leaving the Ingle gym was a disaster in my eyes, and if I remember correctly he was managed/trained by his brothers at the end. The brothers basically allowed him to do what he liked, if he didn't want to train, he didn't train et-cetera. That kind of discipline doesn't win you fights against Marco Antonio Barrera.

Sure, Hamed's marquee wins will always crop up in debates about 'the greatest we (UK) ever had', and I'll probably stick my neck out and say he was the best the UK ever produced (not sure if I have Lennox as a pure Brit). I remember growing up watching Hamed come through and being fucking astonished at how good he was. He was a divisive character, mind, some people couldn't get past his arrogance/confidence...irrespective, you couldn't ignore the talent.
 

Trail

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Pocket Rocket next. You couldn't drop that fucker. Hagler-like chin...never, ever dropped.

 

rossco

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Sure, Hamed's marquee wins will always crop up in debates about 'the greatest we (UK) ever had', and I'll probably stick my neck out and say he was the best the UK ever produced (not sure if I have Lennox as a pure Brit). I remember growing up watching Hamed come through and being fucking astonished at how good he was. He was a divisive character, mind, some people couldn't get past his arrogance/confidence...irrespective, you couldn't ignore the talent.
:lol:

Just gonnie no keep saying that :bart
 
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rossco

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You'll have Ken Buchanan up there, Ross?

He was good, but he was no Naseem Hamed, or Chris Eubank Snr for that matter, or even Jimmy Wilde. :good
Nah, Buchanan ranks outside the top 4. Naz and Eubank arnt top 10 (maybe Naz can get squeezed in). Wilde is n1 if you don't class Fitzsimmons as a brit.

As for talent Buchanan was imo far more naturally Talented than both Eubank and Naz. He was also technically superior than both of them put together. Tougher than both as well (yes even Eubank). The only thing he was missing was one punch power. If Buchanan and Naz were the same weight Buchanan hands him his ass more impressively than Barrera did.
 
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Trail

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Nah, Buchanan ranks outside the top 4. Naz and Eubank arnt top 10 (maybe Naz can get squeezed in). Wilde is n1 if you don't class Fitzsimmons as a brit.

As for talent Buchanan was imo far more naturally Talented than both Eubank and Naz. He was also technically superior than both of them put together. Tougher than both as well (yes even Eubank). The only thing he was missing was one punch power. If Buchanan and Naz were the same weight Buchanan hands him his ass more impressively than Barrera did.
Champ, you have to stick Naz in there.

You've stoked my interest in Buchanan now, I'm going to have to plough through his back catalogue. Please find yourself privy to my divorce from Mrs Trail after I'm glued to Ken's fights tonight.:good
 
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rossco

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Champ, you have to stick Naz in there.

You've stoked my interest in Buchanan now, I'm going to have to plough through his back catalogue. Please find yourself privy to my divorce from Mrs Trail after I'm glued to Ken's fights tonight.:good
Ok, Just for you Naz gets in :good

Fuck off :lol:
 
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Trail

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Started a little late today, I'm watching Barry get fucked in the middle of the Nevada desert. Who the fuck had the idea to put him in there?


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