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He's obviously going to front up for his player, that's what leaders do, they rather fail before others, there's a reason a cb who's not a penalty taker took the second one. The manager gives it to the players that volunteer, if Grealish wanted it, he would have said no I'm a club captain and a boy isn't taking front of me, and that would be that, he clearly did not. In fact it was on camera southgate asking Grealish if he will take one (to Which he replied yh) you only ask the sudden death penalty takers because they haven't volunteered

Grealish top player, but he let the team down, he was fresh and warmed up, letting a boy take that penalty.

Raheem sterling should have taken one ahead of him too, although I understand he may have been knackered at that point, he should have still stepped up ahead of saka.

It was a failure of leadership, even the bum Henderson would have 100% taken it, even though he probably certain to miss.

Southgate messed up by not giving rashford and Sancho minutes before penalty, that was fucking joke, giving those lads a penalty in a final on cold legs, but Saka, that's clearly fault of the Senior players in the squad
Whetever went on with deciding who took them, it was a mess. The only person who is blameless is Saka, and he at least got his on target. It looked to me that Kane and Maguire were already going to take 2, then Southgate himself decided that Rashford and Sancho would take another 2, which left just the one spot. You would think that they would have a list of players from 1 to 26, and they take penalties in that order depending on who ever is on the pitch at the time. At least those players could compose themselves for it, rather than deciding if they feel up to it at 30 seconds notice.

I would be raging if I was Pickford. It's been overlooked that he made 2 saves, and the outfielders fucked up trying to show pony it.
 
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Guardian making a big deal of the online racism directed towards Rashford, Sancho and Saka, which is very effective in deflecting deserved criticism from Rashford, and Sancho to a lesser extent.

Lots of comments criticising Grealish for not taking one, when its clear that only one penalty spot was available, and Sterling, Shaw, Phillips and Henderson didn't step up either, and they all had far more tournament and game time then Grealish did.

Edit:. I checked out the Guardians sources, and according to Hope Not Hate, we're talking about 120 racist tweets, compared to 44 across all group games, not even 0.001% of the population. These dickheads have been kneeling for barely a hundred spastics on the internet lol.
I noticed that right away. When I was in twitter I saw endless tweets calling out the racists yet I didn’t run into one racist tweet. So predictable.
 

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I noticed that right away. When I was in twitter I saw endless tweets calling out the racists yet I didn’t run into one racist tweet. So predictable.
I don't do Twitter, so I assumed that we were talking about tens of thousands of tweets, but it's less people than you could fit in a large pub, for the group games it's less people than you could fit on a bus. The media are making out like every other Englishman is throwing around the N word like confetti.
 
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Guardian making a big deal of the online racism directed towards Rashford, Sancho and Saka, which is very effective in deflecting deserved criticism from Rashford, and Sancho to a lesser extent.

Lots of comments criticising Grealish for not taking one, when its clear that only one penalty spot was available, and Sterling, Shaw, Phillips and Henderson didn't step up either, and they all had far more tournament and game time then Grealish did.

Edit:. I checked out the Guardians sources, and according to Hope Not Hate, we're talking about 120 racist tweets, compared to 44 across all group games, not even 0.001% of the population. These dickheads have been kneeling for barely a hundred spastics on the internet lol.
I had a look on twitter and instagram to see the racist abuse being aimed at Rashford, Sancho and Saka and the comments were very few and far between and most of them weren't even from UK accounts. Random Russians, Eastern Europeans, Arabs and South East Asians seemed to make up the bulk of the worst comments. Very strange.
 

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I had a look on twitter and instagram to see the racist abuse being aimed at Rashford, Sancho and Saka and the comments were very few and far between and most of them weren't even from UK accounts. Random Russians, Eastern Europeans, Arabs and South East Asians seemed to make up the bulk of the worst comments. Very strange.
Had a look myself, and all I can see is virtue signalling about this mass outbreak of racism that is impossible to find. Someone posted a montage of 4 or 5 racist tweets, which came from people with very unstereotypical English names. The media's approach appears to be that black players should be above any kind of a criticism or it's racist. They don't seem to remember that Beckham had people burning effigies of him in the street after he was sent off against Argentina*, and the abuse he got was way worse.

*and if anyone is too young to remember, yes, that did happen.
 
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Had a look myself, and all I can see is virtue signalling about this mass outbreak of racism that is impossible to find. Someone posted a montage of 4 or 5 racist tweets, which came from people with very unstereotypical English names. The media's approach appears to be that black players should be above any kind of a criticism or it's racist. They don't seem to remember that Beckham had people burning effigies of him in the street after he was sent off against Argentina*, and the abuse he got was way worse.

*and if anyone is too young to remember, yes, that did happen.
This was after Beckham got sent off against Argentina in 98.

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If someone did that now to the likes of Sterling, Rashford, Sancho or Saka it would get wall to wall coverage, Boris Johnson himself would be forced to make an official statement and those responsible would be tracked down and given lengthy prison sentences.

The media are absolutely desperate to push the race narrative no matter what. If we had won then it would have been 'Take that you racist white trash working class scum. We couldn't have done this without mass immigration and diversity. Markus Rashford feeds your kids you lazy peasants, bow before him and worship him" etc.

But now we've lost they are trawling through social media to find the odd racist comment to make out like half of the nation is taking to twitter to racially abuse black players.

This whole thing has just been another reminder of why I don't bother watching much football anymore.
 
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Whetever went on with deciding who took them, it was a mess. The only person who is blameless is Saka, and he at least got his on target. It looked to me that Kane and Maguire were already going to take 2, then Southgate himself decided that Rashford and Sancho would take another 2, which left just the one spot. You would think that they would have a list of players from 1 to 26, and they take penalties in that order depending on who ever is on the pitch at the time. At least those players could compose themselves for it, rather than deciding if they feel up to it at 30 seconds notice.

I would be raging if I was Pickford. It's been overlooked that he made 2 saves, and the outfielders fucked up trying to show pony it.
Southgate messed up not letting rashford and Sancho warm up

Rashford is an excellent penalty taker, he should be guaranteed a spot to take one, I'm very suprised he missed, although it wasn't a woeful penalty it was inches off.

Sancho, not so sure why he got picked.

I would agree only one spot left, that spot should have been taken by Grealish or sterling and they should have volunteered, not wait to be asked, in everyday work place (I know its a stretch) if I've got a high pressure project to give out to my team, I'll give it to the people that volunteer and if I must I'd ask those who haven't volunteered, sterling looked knackered, but should have stepped up, Grealish is club captain and perfectly warmed up and not tired.
 
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This was after Beckham got sent off against Argentina in 98.

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If someone did that now to the likes of Sterling, Rashford, Sancho or Saka it would get wall to wall coverage, Boris Johnson himself would be forced to make an official statement and those responsible would be tracked down and given lengthy prison sentences.

The media are absolutely desperate to push the race narrative no matter what. If we had won then it would have been 'Take that you racist white trash working class scum. We couldn't have done this without mass immigration and diversity. Markus Rashford feeds your kids you lazy peasants, bow before him and worship him" etc.

But now we've lost they are trawling through social media to find the odd racist comment to make out like half of the nation is taking to twitter to racially abuse black players.

This whole thing has just been another reminder of why I don't bother watching much football anymore.
Beckhams got wall to wall coverage, fucking hell they were talking about it in 2006 after Rooney got sent off.

No one's making out half the nation is racist, southgate even said so, post like these show pure ignorance.

What's with this working class spin, people are taking a stand against racism, not working class people, don't fucking mix the two.
 
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Beckhams got wall to wall coverage, fucking hell they were talking about it in 2006 after Rooney got sent off.

No one's making out half the nation is racist, southgate even said so, post like these show pure ignorance.

What's with this working class spin, people are taking a stand against racism, not working class people, don't fucking mix the two.
Football is now just another propaganda wing of the corporate establishment. There is nothing organic or genuine about any of the knee taking, rainbow flag waving nonsense we now get rammed down our throats. The media of course plays a key roll in stoking the flames and it is viciously anti-working class at its core.

If any of these knee taking, rainbow flag waiving players, football associations, governing bodies, pundits, journalists and sponsors gave the first shit about any of the causes they claim to care so passionately about, then there is no way in a million years they would having to do with the World Cup in Qatar. The first thing they would would be to boycott the tournament as a matter of principle. But not a single one of them will do that because they are full of shit.
 
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Football is now just another propaganda wing of the corporate establishment. There is nothing organic or genuine about any of the knee taking, rainbow flag waving nonsense we now get rammed down our throats. The media of course plays a key roll in stoking the flames and it is viciously anti-working class at its core.

If any of these knee taking, rainbow flag waiving players, football associations, governing bodies, pundits, journalists and sponsors gave the first shit about any of the causes they claim to care so passionately about, then there is no way in a million years they would having to do with the World Cup in Qatar. The first thing they would would be to boycott the tournament as a matter of principle. But not a single one of them will do that because they are full of shit.
The players are just that, I've got no doubt that they're knee taking is genuine stance against racism, which is a problem, no debate. Same with LGBT rights.

FA as a public body was always part of the establishment and Qatar was a call made by Fifa who are widely criticised.

It's utter nonsense when a select few start talking about 'these days' nowadays' etc...

To suggest them (players) standing against issues that they personally face more is then being 'full of shit' is again pure ignorance

The governing bodies, I am not arguing with you on
 

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Southgate messed up not letting rashford and Sancho warm up

Rashford is an excellent penalty taker, he should be guaranteed a spot to take one, I'm very suprised he missed, although it wasn't a woeful penalty it was inches off.

Sancho, not so sure why he got picked.

I would agree only one spot left, that spot should have been taken by Grealish or sterling and they should have volunteered, not wait to be asked, in everyday work place (I know its a stretch) if I've got a high pressure project to give out to my team, I'll give it to the people that volunteer and if I must I'd ask those who haven't volunteered, sterling looked knackered, but should have stepped up, Grealish is club captain and perfectly warmed up and not tired.
Grealish is tweeting that he said he would take one, and going by this whole tournament, Southgate just doesn't seem to want him involved unless we're absolutely desperate for a goal. I would disagree as far as not calling Rashfords penalty woeful, anything that isn't on target is the worst kind of penalty, and it doesn't matter if it's off target by inches or into Row Z. On a brighter note, I saw someone say that when they saw Maguire stepping up to take one, a Dutch commentator warned his audience to go move their cars from the car park lol.


Another lesson to learn from this and the Croatia game, is that if we score early, the players should not be celebrating at all. They should be picking up the ball themselves, taking it back the centre spot, and getting on with the game like it's still 0-0. I've always hated premature and over-elaborate celebrations anyway, especially when the job is only half done, but it sends a message to the opposition, and reinforces the message to themselves that the game is far from won.
 

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Not sure why the BBC pundits are raving about the first half. We were great for the first 15 minutes and then started inviting Italy to attack are we're just hoofing it back to them most of the time, same as every time we score early against a good team.
I forgot I posted this, but it's a bit of a mystery. The BBC pundits were wanking themselves silly over England at half-time, when it was clear which way the game was heading and had an inevitability about it. There's some weird detachment where pundits can't see what the rest of us do.
 
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I had a look on twitter and instagram to see the racist abuse being aimed at Rashford, Sancho and Saka and the comments were very few and far between and most of them weren't even from UK accounts. Random Russians, Eastern Europeans, Arabs and South East Asians seemed to make up the bulk of the worst comments. Very strange.
I find during the league season, the accounts who abuse players come from foreign accounts a lot of the time. Didn't Maupay of Brighton get abused online, then they found out the lad who sent the abuse was from Singapore or something. Some of the abuse players receive during the domestic season can be horrendous. I guess it's hard to monitor every account for the abuse though, so not sure how they stop it.
 
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Is anyone in England actually happy that you guys had your best tournament performance essentially in living memory?

You beat Germany, got all the way to the final, and lost to the tournament favourites in penalties. You're traditionally the worst penalty takers in football, so no surprise that you lost your seventh international tournament shootout in nine attempts. But you still had the best tournament run that any of you can remember, yet the reaction seems virtually 100% to be hating.

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The players are just that, I've got no doubt that they're knee taking is genuine stance against racism, which is a problem, no debate. Same with LGBT rights.

FA as a public body was always part of the establishment and Qatar was a call made by Fifa who are widely criticised.

It's utter nonsense when a select few start talking about 'these days' nowadays' etc...

To suggest them (players) standing against issues that they personally face more is then being 'full of shit' is again pure ignorance

The governing bodies, I am not arguing with you on
Next year these players selected for the World Cup will be playing in stadiums literally built by slaves, many of whom died in the process. Will they still be taking a knee in these arenas? Or how about rainbow flags in a country where homosexuality carries the death penalty? It's obscene and exposes that much of the politics we now see in football are nothing to do with any real deeply held principles, but a piss take purely designed to insult and antagonize ordinary people.

This is a perfect example



In terms of real world consequences, taking part in the World Cup in Qatar is infinitely worse than the rare instances of some random idiots posting racist abuse on social media. Tyrone Mings moans about being accused of playing gesture politics, but would he do something really meaningful like refuse to play in Qatar if selected? Would he fuck and the same applies to everyone else involved in the game. Which is why I have zero respect for them and their opinions when they try and preach about stuff like this.
 
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I find during the league season, the accounts who abuse players come from foreign accounts a lot of the time. Didn't Maupay of Brighton get abused online, then they found out the lad who sent the abuse was from Singapore or something. Some of the abuse players receive during the domestic season can be horrendous. I guess it's hard to monitor every account for the abuse though, so not sure how they stop it.
Happened with Ian Wright too. When the the culprit was tracked down it was some kid in another country so the police couldn't really do anything.
 

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Is anyone in England actually happy that you guys had your best tournament performance essentially in living memory?

You beat Germany, got all the way to the final, and lost to the tournament favourites in penalties. You're traditionally the worst penalty takers in football, so no surprise that you lost your seventh international tournament shootout in nine attempts. But you still had the best tournament run that any of you can remember, yet the reaction seems virtually 100% to be hating.

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We were the top losers
Winning is everything, i dont see reason to pat ourselves on the back with the negative way we played.

i keep saying we when in reality I haven’t watched football for years
 
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Next year these players selected for the World Cup will be playing in stadiums literally built by slaves, many of whom died in the process. Will they still be taking a knee in these arenas? Or how about rainbow flags in a country where homosexuality carries the death penalty? It's obscene and exposes that much of the politics we now see in football are nothing to do with any real deeply held principles, but a piss take purely designed to insult and antagonize ordinary people.

This is a perfect example



In terms of real world consequences, taking part in the World Cup in Qatar is infinitely worse than the rare instances of some random idiots posting racist abuse on social media. Tyrone Mings moans about being accused of playing gesture politics, but would he do something really meaningful like refuse to play in Qatar if selected? Would he fuck and the same applies to everyone else involved in the game. Which is why I have zero respect for them and their opinions when they try and preach about stuff like this.
Where's your complaints when politicians try to bring politics onto sport?

You complain at a potential double standard, but ignore the fact priti Patel has set a double standard and you yourself are setting a double standard, like it or not sport has a massive impact on society and will always have political connections to it, because of that.

Why would he refuse to represent his country?

And its not random idiots, its the representation of what it is, its not a stance against racism only in football but wider society, if you don't think racism is a problem in our society then you're a fool, it is far from random idiots on social media.

You have zero respect for them, because they shouldn't be able to stand against racism if they're not standing against Qatar?

It is much easier to take a stand against what you see as your own people, because you are from the same society and should share similar beliefs of what that society should uphold, even with all of the differences and people should be allowed to disagree over taking of the knee, that's fine.

Ordinary people are not antognised by them taking a knee, ordinary people either support it, or are completely in different to it (I probably lean to the latter) you are not the ordinary person and nor should your opinions be of that of an ordinary person.

I can't bothered with dealing with this much ignorance, I'm done with this conversation, I don't have the time of day for it.
 
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Grealish is tweeting that he said he would take one, and going by this whole tournament, Southgate just doesn't seem to want him involved unless we're absolutely desperate for a goal. I would disagree as far as not calling Rashfords penalty woeful, anything that isn't on target is the worst kind of penalty, and it doesn't matter if it's off target by inches or into Row Z. On a brighter note, I saw someone say that when they saw Maguire stepping up to take one, a Dutch commentator warned his audience to go move their cars from the car park lol.


Another lesson to learn from this and the Croatia game, is that if we score early, the players should not be celebrating at all. They should be picking up the ball themselves, taking it back the centre spot, and getting on with the game like it's still 0-0. I've always hated premature and over-elaborate celebrations anyway, especially when the job is only half done, but it sends a message to the opposition, and reinforces the message to themselves that the game is far from won.
You can say that about rashfords penalty and that's a fair assessment and his was the only penalty not on target, that too from our (in my opinion) second best taker

I said it before, its one thing waiting to be asked and one thing volunteering, it's on camera southgate asking him if he'd take it, to which he's not lying he nodded his head and said yh, if he was adamant a boy should not be taking one ahead of a Villa captain who happens to be atop class player then there would be no debate he would take it ahead of Saka

I would never let saka take one ahead of me if I was a senior man, if anyone should miss it should be a senior man, I would have had Grealish sterling, Stones ahead of saka

Shaw is also a senior man, can't take a penalty though.