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Are they running put of challengers now?

As per philboxing, Estrada will defend his titles against Froilan Saludar.

I'm a Saludar fan ever since he was a 6 rounder, but he will be way over his head in this one. He got KO'd by Arroyo who can't even get past Ruenroeng. And he has not registered any significant win after the loss.

I'm still hoping my boy can pull off the unthinkable.
 

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Was hoping for Concepción, or even Arroyo. This is pretty underwhelming
 

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Was hoping for Concepción, or even Arroyo. This is pretty underwhelming
Gonzalez-Estrada 2 is not getting any closer.
Rumor has it, Inoue is seriously injured.
Add in, Mayweather still pretending to be a heterosexual.

Future suddenly looks bleak.
 
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Saludar has withdrawn from the fight.

Carlos Cuadras will face El Nica in April.

Cuadras is a better boxer, kid got some skills and can move (a bit too much even), he's a favourite to win this one but he ain't no new Estrada despite his nice looking record.

He should have rematched Srisaket who was channelling the spirit of Kaoasai in there - attacking relentlessly, throwing brutal punches to the body (Cuadras got badly hurt in the 7th round) and breaking Cuadras down.

The stoppage was legit and Cuadras was winning but that butt almost saved Cuadras from the horrors of the later rounds, as he was clearly losing control of the fight and Srisaket only got stronger as the fight progressed.

As Mikey Garcia would put it: "Forget about Srisaket, Carlos, move on and never look back."
 
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Saludar has withdrawn from the fight.

Carlos Cuadras will face El Nica in April.

Cuadras is a better boxer, kid got some skills and can move (a bit too much even), he's a favourite to win this one but he ain't no new Estrada despite his nice looking record.

He should have rematched Srisaket who was channelling the spirit of Kaoasai in there - attacking relentlessly, throwing brutal punches to the body (Cuadras got badly hurt in the 7th round) and breaking Cuadras down.

The stoppage was legit and Cuadras was winning but that butt almost saved Cuadras from the horrors of the later rounds, as he was clearly losing control of the fight and Srisaket only got stronger as the fight progressed.

As Mikey Garcia would put it: "Forget about Srisaket, Carlos, move on and never look back."
Was hoping to see Cuadras vs Inoue sometime in the future, sucks about Inoue's injury tho.

El Nica vs Cuadras should be fun tho.
 
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I haven't watched anything of Cuadras yet, I'll try and check out the fight with Srisaket. Good to see Concepcion back in the mix and super fly as a whole pick up some steam recently.

Saludar has withdrawn from the fight.
That's a bit of a shame. I actually get a kick out of Estrada's mission of taking out every Filipino contender around these weights. Saludar would've been his 5th since he won the title. I guess it's a way of payback for Viloria's rampage through Mexico pre-JFE.


By the way, what was people's opinions on Estrada's last one vs Alvarez?, I haven't come across any talk about it since it happened.

I was hungover and tired when I watched it so I can't remember the details or the score I had, but I honestly thought it was a bad performance on Estrada's part. I thought he looked slow and his combinations didn't have the sharpness as per usual. Easily the hardest fight he's had since Gonzalez imo, atleast with Melindo he had the late round rally to set things straight.
 
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By the way, what was people's opinions on Estrada's last one vs Alvarez?, I haven't come across any talk about it since it happened.

I was hungover and tired when I watched it so I can't remember the details or the score I had, but I honestly thought it was a bad performance on Estrada's part. I thought he looked slow and his combinations didn't have the sharpness as per usual. Easily the hardest fight he's had since Gonzalez imo, atleast with Melindo he had the late round rally to set things straight.
Estrada looked awful in his last fight except for the last round when he seemed to come to life and he was his regular self. It was pretty weird.

If he had lost the last round then I think I would have had it a draw, so he was pretty bad that night.
 
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Estrada looked awful in his last fight except for the last round when he seemed to come to life and he was his regular self. It was pretty weird.
Yeah, it was a hell of alot closer than the scorecards showed.

Same with Melindo fight actually, I thought it was close to even before Estrada pulled away in the championship rounds, despite the judges having it a near shut out on the cards IIRC.

Difference between those fights though is I thought both Milan and JFE came out looking good, where as here Joebert did do better than expected but Estrada just looked flatout poor.
 

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By the way, what was people's opinions on Estrada's last one vs Alvarez?, I haven't come across any talk about it since it happened.

I was hungover and tired when I watched it so I can't remember the details or the score I had, but I honestly thought it was a bad performance on Estrada's part. I thought he looked slow and his combinations didn't have the sharpness as per usual. Easily the hardest fight he's had since Gonzalez imo, atleast with Melindo he had the late round rally to set things straight.
Gotta say, even though Estrada looked uncharacteristically sluggish and not as sharp as always, credit has to be given to Joebert - it was his superior foot speed that made Estrada look like an old Marquez.

Does this fight remind you of anything, by the way?
A fast southpaw Filipino and a counterpunching Mexican.
The fight looked like a carbon copy of the famous rivalry at times.
By the way, I don't think this fight is indicative of how R.Gonzalez.-Estrada 2 would play out.

You know the usual talk after unconvincing performances - "Damn, Roman's been looking beastly lately, he would destroy Estrada who looked shit against some no-name!"

Juanito clearly struggled with foot speed, in-and-out movement and a light-pac style of Joebert - Gonzalez fights nothing like that.

It's still the most anticipated fight of 2015.

Gonzalez is the favorite but by a slight margin.
 
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inoue is to be back in august & will probable fight the winner of the eliminator between Warlito Parrenas & Jamie Conlon in april/may

Cuadas is promated by the same people as Gonzalez & Inoue

I though Estrada was to have a rematch with Viloria
 
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inoue is to be back in august & will probable fight the winner of the eliminator between Warlito Parrenas & Jamie Conlon in april/may

Cuadas is promated by the same people as Gonzalez & Inoue

I though Estrada was to have a rematch with Viloria
Inoue isn't promoted by the same people. Inoue us with Ohashi while Gonzalez and Cuadras are Teiken. Ohashi and Teiken do have a very good working relationship though.
 
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Ah, must've missed that thread. Good posts as always.

I agree with you, this fight doesn't do much harm for Estrada's image to me. I just think it was an off night at a new weight (I'm probably wrong about that)) against an opponent he knew nothing about, and maybe a style factor like you said.

I'm just disappointed he isn't looking like the Estrada of the Viloria fight everytime he steps into the ring, but it's only natural to have the odd flat performance considering his competition in his reign so far has been consistently solid (alot better than Roman's) and fairly varied stylistically.

And yes, one off performance and a new hotshot popping up in Inoue doesn't change the fact that Estrada-Gonzalez 2 is still THE fight to make in boxing.
 

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Alvarez had a very tricky and awkward style that JFE had never dealt with before. I thought he won clearly but didn't look good doing it. He'll be alright, that fight will serve him as good experience. I agree with you regarding his solid opposition he's had, and its great that he's been dealing with different styles, it can only give him great experience, he's still pretty young. Viloria has been his best performance to date undoubtedly, but he looked excellent against Segura too.
 

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Viloria has been his best performance to date undoubtedly, but he looked excellent against Segura too.
I thought Estrada looked his best against Segura.
Although that might have been due to the flattering style of his opponent and general wear and tear of Segura.
Still I thought Estrada has reached a new level of Marquezness but then he disappointed in the next one.

Personally, I'm not ready to call Estrada a very good fighter, the same goes to Gonzalez - not ready to call him a great fighter just yet.

That's why I think the rematch is important - Estrada clearly has improved, Gonzalez has been unstoppable lately.
The first fight was inconclusive for both fighters - Estrada was inexperienced and his style gave Gonzalez big problems - but at the same time Gonzalez probably wasn't expecting a fighter of Estrada's calibur.
Either Chocolol separates himself from the obviously good Estrada and makes a statement or he continues to live in the shadow of Finito.

Inoue I'm not counting - he can't hide from El Nica forever.
The end is near for him.
 
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