The rematch is on - AJ vs Ruiz Jr. II

Who wins the rematch

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It’s alright saying “fight boring” as in just jab and move your feet, throw nicely timed right hands, but that’s much harder than it sounds, especially against a guy like Ruiz and for a guy like AJ. The rematch is on a knife edge for me, I hope AJ can pull it off but Ruiz knows he can hurt him, he knows he can take huge punches from AJ, he will close the gap several times during the fight and get his punches in, he’s going to land, Joshua will tire, these are the Tangibles that could see this being another disastrous night for Joshua.

Wins or lose in my opinion he still fights both Fury and Wilder, he can beat enough contenders convincingly to earn a shot at anyone.
 

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It’s alright saying “fight boring” as in just jab and move your feet, throw nicely timed right hands, but that’s much harder than it sounds, especially against a guy like Ruiz and for a guy like AJ. The rematch is on a knife edge for me, I hope AJ can pull it off but Ruiz knows he can hurt him, he knows he can take huge punches from AJ, he will close the gap several times during the fight and get his punches in, he’s going to land, Joshua will tire, these are the Tangibles that could see this being another disastrous night for Joshua.

Wins or lose in my opinion he still fights both Fury and Joshua, he can beat enough contenders convincingly to earn a shot at anyone.
I'm not saying it's a cakewalk but it has to be the game plan. AJ now knows he can't risk doing his usual finish as Ruiz seems not to get buzzed after taking the KD.
I think AJ can win it but he needs to be very disciplined which he hasn't really had to do before.

Did You mean He fights Fury and Wilder? I say he retires, he would be old news and without the belts why would anyone of note even bother wanting to fight him? Fury and Wilder wont for sure. Maybe Whyte if he still can't get a title shot but everyone will focus on fighting Ruiz at that point. Hearn wouldn't be able to sell PPV of Joshua anymore. Plus I think AJ wanted to be Undisputed, and Unbeaten. If he loses to Ruiz again, he'll always be tarnished goods so considering he has made £100m plus I think he hangs up his gloves and goes into media/Business.
 
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I'm not saying it's a cakewalk but it has to be the game plan. AJ now knows he can't risk doing his usual finish as Ruiz seems not to get buzzed after taking the KD.
I think AJ can win it but he needs to be very disciplined which he hasn't really had to do before.

Did You mean He fights Fury and Wilder? I say he retires, he would be old news and without the belts why would anyone of note even bother wanting to fight him? Fury and Wilder wont for sure. Maybe Whyte if he still can't get a title shot but everyone will focus on fighting Ruiz at that point. Hearn wouldn't be able to sell PPV of Joshua anymore. Plus I think AJ wanted to be Undisputed, and Unbeaten. If he loses to Ruiz again, he'll always be tarnished goods so considering he has made £100m plus I think he hangs up his gloves and goes into media/Business.
Yeah it’s obviously going to be his game plan, his undoing for me is more his stamina than his chin, it’s such an interesting rematch. If he pulls it off he should get huge credit, this wasn’t a Lennox Lewis vs McCall or Rahman type loss, it was much worse both physically and mentally, he has a mountain to climb.

I disagree to an extent with if he loses he retires, the guy is a brand over here, he’s an idol and even if he loses again, give it 18 months of comeback fights and he will sell out stadiums again. He’s bigger than Bruno was and he fought McCall at Wembley after Tyson, Lewis and Bonecrusher Smith had all stopped him. I think his ego won’t let him retire. Ruiz wouldn’t beat Wilder AND Fury, so he would always have a belt to aim for avoiding Ruiz in the process. If he loses, he can’t be a great anymore, but he can still be very good.
 

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Yeah it’s obviously going to be his game plan, his undoing for me is more his stamina than his chin, it’s such an interesting rematch. If he pulls it off he should get huge credit, this wasn’t a Lennox Lewis vs McCall or Rahman type loss, it was much worse both physically and mentally, he has a mountain to climb.

I disagree to an extent with if he loses he retires, the guy is a brand over here, he’s an idol and even if he loses again, give it 18 months of comeback fights and he will sell out stadiums again. He’s bigger than Bruno was and he fought McCall at Wembley after Tyson, Lewis and Bonecrusher Smith had all stopped him. I think his ego won’t let him retire. Ruiz wouldn’t beat Wilder AND Fury, so he would always have a belt to aim for avoiding Ruiz in the process. If he loses, he can’t be a great anymore, but he can still be very good.
Yeh it's true it's much harder to recover from than the single KO punch...

I would say his brand is built on being a winner more than any other boxer or sportsmen I have seen, therefore a second loss to Ruiz is unreedemable (both literally as Ruiz aint gonna fight 3 more times or in the eyes of the public). Bruno was more popular as a individual, people got behind him as the "plucky brit" not because they believed he was the all conquering hero so when he lost it didn't matter as much. AJ was sold and for a long time did everything that an future all time great would do so losing once has already taken a lot of sheen off, he can get some of it back by winning the rematch but will probably need to beat Wilder and Fury to really get back to where he was.

Interestingly I think his Ego wouldn't allow him to fight on having to avoid Ruiz (I don't assume that if Ruiz wins he can't do the same to both Fury and Wilder) and always be a 2nd tier fighter. I think he would rather retire and try be the best and something else having proved he can't be the best at this.
 
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Yeh it's true it's much harder to recover from than the single KO punch...

I would say his brand is built on being a winner more than any other boxer or sportsmen I have seen, therefore a second loss to Ruiz is unreedemable (both literally as Ruiz aint gonna fight 3 more times or in the eyes of the public). Bruno was more popular as a individual, people got behind him as the "plucky brit" not because they believed he was the all conquering hero so when he lost it didn't matter as much. AJ was sold and for a long time did everything that an future all time great would do so losing once has already taken a lot of sheen off, he can get some of it back by winning the rematch but will probably need to beat Wilder and Fury to really get back to where he was.

Interestingly I think his Ego wouldn't allow him to fight on having to avoid Ruiz (I don't assume that if Ruiz wins he can't do the same to both Fury and Wilder) and always be a 2nd tier fighter. I think he would rather retire and try be the best and something else having proved he can't be the best at this.
Yeah, I can see your point and it remains to be seen. I just think it’s very rare for a boxing super star to retire like that, it’s almost unheard of even if they all say they will retire, they just never do.
 

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Yeah, I can see your point and it remains to be seen. I just think it’s very rare for a boxing super star to retire like that, it’s almost unheard of even if they all say they will retire, they just never do.
I suppose that is true. Maybe it's partly because that's what I want him to do. The last thing I want is for to turn into a slight better David Price. I'm a big one for do stuff you're good at, if your not good at it don't do it you just look like an arse. That's made worse if you looked for ages like you were good and now everyone realises your not....
 
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I suppose that is true. Maybe it's partly because that's what I want him to do. The last thing I want is for to turn into a slight better David Price. I'm a big one for do stuff you're good at, if your not good at it don't do it you just look like an arse. That's made worse if you looked for ages like you were good and now everyone realises your not....
That’s being harsh mate, he’s a top heavyweight regardless of the rematch result, maybe the expectations will have exceeded his ability, but the jury has always been out on him.

Put it this way, say he has another up and down battle with Ruiz but ultimately loses again, in my opinion he won’t be any lower than Wlad was after Brewster flattened him, bare in mind he was maybe 2 fights removed from Corrie Sanders destroying him and THEN went on to lose in a very different manner to Lamon Brewster. The writing was on the wall for him, he was effectively finished in the eyes of the boxing world, you had Vitali as top dog at the time and his much more vulnerable brother as a nearly man. Nobody would have predicted a decade of dominance from him when he was being carried out of the ring after that fight. Wlad is one of the all time greats now and rightly so, I’m not saying Joshua will or can do this, but boxing is a weird sport, I still can’t get my head around Bert Cooper nearly decapitating Holyfield and Riddick Bowe stopping him for him to go on and beat the brakes off of Mike Tyson. Haha it’s a funny old game mate.
 

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That’s being harsh mate, he’s a top heavyweight regardless of the rematch result, maybe the expectations will have exceeded his ability, but the jury has always been out on him.

Put it this way, say he has another up and down battle with Ruiz but ultimately loses again, in my opinion he won’t be any lower than Wlad was after Brewster flattened him, bare in mind he was maybe 2 fights removed from Corrie Sanders destroying him and THEN went on to lose in a very different manner to Lamon Brewster. The writing was on the wall for him, he was effectively finished in the eyes of the boxing world, you had Vitali as top dog at the time and his much more vulnerable brother as a nearly man. Nobody would have predicted a decade of dominance from him when he was being carried out of the ring after that fight. Wlad is one of the all time greats now and rightly so, I’m not saying Joshua will or can do this, but boxing is a weird sport, I still can’t get my head around Bert Cooper nearly decapitating Holyfield and Riddick Bowe stopping him for him to go on and beat the brakes off of Mike Tyson. Haha it’s a funny old game mate.
I'm not saying he is that bad if he loses but most people will think he is. Losses have a much bigger effect on a career now than they did even 10 years ago. I doubt WK could recover these days from those losses because promoters only want guys with 0's or maybe 1 loss . Everyone is looking for the next all time great and if you're not it they're not interested. I hope this is all academic because AJ wins the rematch but if he doesn't and continues then he will have to deal with that and something that WK or any earlier guys didn't get which constant abuse on Social Media. That has got to make it hard to continue when you have the option of retiring on £100m nestegg.
 
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I'm not saying he is that bad if he loses but most people will think he is. Losses have a much bigger effect on a career now than they did even 10 years ago. I doubt WK could recover these days from those losses because promoters only want guys with 0's or maybe 1 loss . Everyone is looking for the next all time great and if you're not it they're not interested. I hope this is all academic because AJ wins the rematch but if he doesn't and continues then he will have to deal with that and something that WK or any earlier guys didn't get which constant abuse on Social Media. That has got to make it hard to continue when you have the option of retiring on £100m nestegg.
Oh yeah for sure, it’s a difficult thing to get your head around when the likes of you and me don’t have 100mill to fall back on. Do you think he wins the rematch for sure? Just keeps it long range and ties him up every time he gets too close? He should be watching Wlad on repeat.
 

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Oh yeah for sure, it’s a difficult thing to get your head around when the likes of you and me don’t have 100mill to fall back on. Do you think he wins the rematch for sure? Just keeps it long range and ties him up every time he gets too close? He should be watching Wlad on repeat.
Yeh it's got affect your weighing of what is worth doing... I think it's 60/40 AJ if he prepares correctly and is fights to a good gameplan and is disciplined. I still believe that it is a natural advantage to have a reach and height advantage otherwise every HW champ would look like Ruiz, you just have to know how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets help from WK as they did seem to have a lot of respect for each other and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
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Yeh it's got affect your weighing of what is worth doing... I think it's 60/40 AJ if he prepares correctly and is fights to a good gameplan and is disciplined. I still believe that it is a natural advantage to have a reach and height advantage otherwise every HW champ would look like Ruiz, you just have to know how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets help from WK as they did seem to have a lot of respect for each other and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Yeah, I could actually see a young Wlad losing to Ruiz, and an older wiser one shutting him out. He would be a great go to guy.
 
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