The Tunde Ajayi Thread -- "Master Genius" or Master Bullshitter?

Jun 3, 2012
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This thread has been a long time coming.

The self-proclaimed "master genius". The current trainer of Anthony Yarde. The man with an ego that far surpasses anything actually achieved in boxing. The type of wanker that doesn't follow anyone on Twitter, because he says some bullshit cliche like 'I'm a leader not a follower'.

But what do we really know about Tunde Ajayi?



As a professional boxer, he amassed an unbeated 5-0 record before retiring in 2001 due to injury (supposedly). He didn't beat anyone with a winning record. A few years later, Tunde would turn to becoming a trainer. Here's the story from his own website:

"In 1997 while training in a gym called LA GYM in Peckham south east London I discovered that I had a natural gift of training people but before that I had actually been made aware of this beautiful sport of ours by a cousin of mine who was an amateur boxer at one of England's most well renowned amateur boxing clubs, THE LYNN ABC in 'Wells way' in south east London. At the time I was a budding footballer and anyone who knew me would have bet that my future lied in football, but the honest truth was that I was good at football but I never loved it or had the PASSION, DRIVE, DETERMINATION or DESIRE to carve a successful career in it. I played games for Millwall, West Ham and Aldershot but It is apparent to me all these years later that I had still not found the thing I was born to do.

Shortly after that I decided to accompany my cousin to the LYNN boxing club and it was there where my love for boxing materialised. I was what some people call "Bitten by the boxing Bug" I trained so hard, even back then, as a amateur fighter. An ethic which I've taken into training my fighters with today, it just made sense to me that if this was the hardest game on the planet it was only reasonable to assume that I should train my hardest.

In the area I lived everyone who knew me as a footballer suddenly heard I was a boxer and being a boxer was then and still is today a big thing even though I hadn't achieved anything in terms of success, trophies, competition medals or anything. I loved the way people responded to me as being a fighter. I felt like the Mike Tyson of South East London but after 5 fights as a amateur one of my friends introduced me to a young lad called Junior McDonald who was a kick boxer at the time and said he wanted to take up boxing and in my spare time I would train him at the gym I mentioned earlier called LA GYM. We loved it so much every spare moment we had we would be upstairs in that little corner of the gym practising."

After winning the national novice championship and reaching the semi-final of the Senior ABA championship Junior after one session said to me he wanted to turn professional and he would only do so if I would be his trainer and it was because of Junior McDonald that I actually became a trainer. I'd personally like to take this time and space to thank Junior because I would never have thought back then that taking out a license with the British Boxing Board of Control would transpire into what we have today in the BRAND STAMINA FOR SALE UK."


Junior McDonald retired with a 6-1 record, losing his last fight for the Southern Area title. In the subsequent years, he has trained:

  • Akaash Bhatia
  • Danny Williams (2 fights)
  • Darren Hamilton (1 fight)
  • Harry Simon (1 fight)
  • Kevin Mitchell (16 fights)
  • Ohara Davies (first 2 fights)
  • Ola Afolabi (1 fight)
  • Romeo Romaeo
  • Spencer Fearon (2 fights)
(Taken from BoxRec)

Some good names there, for sure. Although there is a pattern: boxers don't stick around with Tunde. Bhatia and Romaeo, the two boxers without fight numbers beside their name, also left his tutelage. He also had one other notable fighter: Otuo Saba/Junior Saba/Junior Benjamin. He'd usually be the person spotlighted in those Mayweather-based speed pad videos with Tunde, and he had incredible hype despite a modest amateur record. Even though he was seen as a 'son' to Tunde, he also left. The only person who hasn't? Anthony Yarde.

Perhaps a major reason behind this is Tunde's policy, which he noted in an interview with Boxing Monthly: “Today, I will only train a fighter I manage. At one time, I had about 16 in the gym — good guys like Romeo Romaeo, Craig Richards, Daniel Dubois, Ahmet Patterson — but I gave them an ultimatum: Sign a manager’s contract with me or leave. I wasn’t going to build them only for them to go elsewhere later for more money. Only Anthony stayed.”

He does actually have a second fighter on the books now: Mohammed Bilal Ali. He's 1-0. Let's see how long he sticks around.

What are your thoughts on Tunde? Blagger? Fraud? Misunderstood?
 
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Select quotes from the aforementioned interview with Boxing Monthly:

“When I wrote to the Board to apply for my licence in 2005, I signed the letter: ‘Tunde Ajayi, the future number one trainer in the world.’ At the start of Anthony Yarde’s career, I declared that he was ‘Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson rolled into one’ because I saw something. Like the Mayweathers, I’m just saying it before it happens.

“I’m a leader, a creator, a master genius. Making bold statements challenges me to go home and study boxing and science until my body literally can’t hold up.”

Talking about his "System 9" training system:

“It’s a relatively easy system — anything complicated is bullshit — but it’s based upon the quality of the teaching and sacrificing. When you go to university, the syllabus is already set out but does everybody pass? No. The ones who do are the ones prepared to sacrifice.

“Us teachers need to give ourselves more credit. Manny Pacquiao became great through Freddie Roach, Lennox Lewis became great through Emanuel Steward.

“If my system didn’t work, how come Anthony is getting so good without doing any meaningful sparring?”

“In Vegas, I meticulously studied Floyd Sr and Roger but I follow nobody. The visits to Vegas simply validated what I already knew.

“One time, after earlier being wobbled, Ohara stopped [current WBO junior welter champion] Maurice Hooker in a spar when their gym was packed. Later, Anthony Yarde dominated Andrew Tabiti [now 16-0] at Floyd’s gym and Junior Saba bossed [lightweight prospect] Ladarius Miller. My system was dominating the Mayweather system!

 
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The guy is deranged. As you say nobody sticks around and his system has not afaik even won a domestic title yet. Yarde is seriously talented but he will go nowhere if he sticks with this joker.

Someone like Junior Saba suits him down to the ground. Get Doughty in as a second and suddenly you've got a dream team of those who think more of themselves than is warranted.
 
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Select quotes from the aforementioned interview with Boxing Monthly:

“When I wrote to the Board to apply for my licence in 2005, I signed the letter: ‘Tunde Ajayi, the future number one trainer in the world.’ At the start of Anthony Yarde’s career, I declared that he was ‘Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson rolled into one’ because I saw something. Like the Mayweathers, I’m just saying it before it happens.

“I’m a leader, a creator, a master genius. Making bold statements challenges me to go home and study boxing and science until my body literally can’t hold up.”

Talking about his "System 9" training system:

“It’s a relatively easy system — anything complicated is bullshit — but it’s based upon the quality of the teaching and sacrificing. When you go to university, the syllabus is already set out but does everybody pass? No. The ones who do are the ones prepared to sacrifice.

“Us teachers need to give ourselves more credit. Manny Pacquiao became great through Freddie Roach, Lennox Lewis became great through Emanuel Steward.

“If my system didn’t work, how come Anthony is getting so good without doing any meaningful sparring?”

“In Vegas, I meticulously studied Floyd Sr and Roger but I follow nobody. The visits to Vegas simply validated what I already knew.

“One time, after earlier being wobbled, Ohara stopped [current WBO junior welter champion] Maurice Hooker in a spar when their gym was packed. Later, Anthony Yarde dominated Andrew Tabiti [now 16-0] at Floyd’s gym and Junior Saba bossed [lightweight prospect] Ladarius Miller. My system was dominating the Mayweather system!

Only Trouty can save us from this fool.
 
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This thread has been a long time coming.

The self-proclaimed "master genius". The current trainer of Anthony Yarde. The man with an ego that far surpasses anything actually achieved in boxing. The type of wanker that doesn't follow anyone on Twitter, because he says some bullshit cliche like 'I'm a leader not a follower'.

But what do we really know about Tunde Ajayi?



As a professional boxer, he amassed an unbeated 5-0 record before retiring in 2001 due to injury (supposedly). He didn't beat anyone with a winning record. A few years later, Tunde would turn to becoming a trainer. Here's the story from his own website:

"In 1997 while training in a gym called LA GYM in Peckham south east London I discovered that I had a natural gift of training people but before that I had actually been made aware of this beautiful sport of ours by a cousin of mine who was an amateur boxer at one of England's most well renowned amateur boxing clubs, THE LYNN ABC in 'Wells way' in south east London. At the time I was a budding footballer and anyone who knew me would have bet that my future lied in football, but the honest truth was that I was good at football but I never loved it or had the PASSION, DRIVE, DETERMINATION or DESIRE to carve a successful career in it. I played games for Millwall, West Ham and Aldershot but It is apparent to me all these years later that I had still not found the thing I was born to do.

Shortly after that I decided to accompany my cousin to the LYNN boxing club and it was there where my love for boxing materialised. I was what some people call "Bitten by the boxing Bug" I trained so hard, even back then, as a amateur fighter. An ethic which I've taken into training my fighters with today, it just made sense to me that if this was the hardest game on the planet it was only reasonable to assume that I should train my hardest.

In the area I lived everyone who knew me as a footballer suddenly heard I was a boxer and being a boxer was then and still is today a big thing even though I hadn't achieved anything in terms of success, trophies, competition medals or anything. I loved the way people responded to me as being a fighter. I felt like the Mike Tyson of South East London but after 5 fights as a amateur one of my friends introduced me to a young lad called Junior McDonald who was a kick boxer at the time and said he wanted to take up boxing and in my spare time I would train him at the gym I mentioned earlier called LA GYM. We loved it so much every spare moment we had we would be upstairs in that little corner of the gym practising."

After winning the national novice championship and reaching the semi-final of the Senior ABA championship Junior after one session said to me he wanted to turn professional and he would only do so if I would be his trainer and it was because of Junior McDonald that I actually became a trainer. I'd personally like to take this time and space to thank Junior because I would never have thought back then that taking out a license with the British Boxing Board of Control would transpire into what we have today in the BRAND STAMINA FOR SALE UK."


Junior McDonald retired with a 6-1 record, losing his last fight for the Southern Area title. In the subsequent years, he has trained:

  • Akaash Bhatia
  • Danny Williams (2 fights)
  • Darren Hamilton (1 fight)
  • Harry Simon (1 fight)
  • Kevin Mitchell (16 fights)
  • Ohara Davies (first 2 fights)
  • Ola Afolabi (1 fight)
  • Romeo Romaeo
  • Spencer Fearon (2 fights)
(Taken from BoxRec)

Some good names there, for sure. Although there is a pattern: boxers don't stick around with Tunde. Bhatia and Romaeo, the two boxers without fight numbers beside their name, also left his tutelage. He also had one other notable fighter: Otuo Saba/Junior Saba/Junior Benjamin. He'd usually be the person spotlighted in those Mayweather-based speed pad videos with Tunde, and he had incredible hype despite a modest amateur record. Even though he was seen as a 'son' to Tunde, he also left. The only person who hasn't? Anthony Yarde.

Perhaps a major reason behind this is Tunde's policy, which he noted in an interview with Boxing Monthly: “Today, I will only train a fighter I manage. At one time, I had about 16 in the gym — good guys like Romeo Romaeo, Craig Richards, Daniel Dubois, Ahmet Patterson — but I gave them an ultimatum: Sign a manager’s contract with me or leave. I wasn’t going to build them only for them to go elsewhere later for more money. Only Anthony stayed.”

He does actually have a second fighter on the books now: Mohammed Bilal Ali. He's 1-0. Let's see how long he sticks around.

What are your thoughts on Tunde? Blagger? Fraud? Misunderstood?
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He is a fraud. Latched onto the mayweather pad bollox and has stuck with it. Cant explain why its good, or what it develops attribute wise. Shit coach and Yarde will fall short because of it
 
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He must have been hit in the head a lot of times during those 5 fights.
 
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If you ignore what somebody says, and judge them on their achievements, it's probably not too harsh to say the jury is still out.
That's fair, but generous. The reality is that as a trainer, he's not led a single fighter to even domestic level triumph. And...there are people who would beat up journeymen etc without anyone training them. If you punch like Daniel Dubois, the first 8 fights could probably have no trainer, no corner team at all, just you and your stool and water bottle, and you'd still be sparking them.

Yarde has talent, hits hard and is a big fucker for the weight. But he has not improved one jot since he fought Chris Hobbs nearly 2 years ago. He has not improved in any area, but is still hard hitting by nature, still has decent hand speed and is still big and strong. But no sparring is not helping him learn how to not get tagged and seeing as he has yet to fight anyone who can punch a hole in a wet paper bag, it leaves rather obvious question marks.
 
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That's fair, but generous. The reality is that as a trainer, he's not led a single fighter to even domestic level triumph. And...there are people who would beat up journeymen etc without anyone training them. If you punch like Daniel Dubois, the first 8 fights could probably have no trainer, no corner team at all, just you and your stool and water bottle, and you'd still be sparking them.

Yarde has talent, hits hard and is a big fucker for the weight. But he has not improved one jot since he fought Chris Hobbs nearly 2 years ago. He has not improved in any area, but is still hard hitting by nature, still has decent hand speed and is still big and strong. But no sparring is not helping him learn how to not get tagged and seeing as he has yet to fight anyone who can punch a hole in a wet paper bag, it leaves rather obvious question marks.
I was bring facetious mate, albeit I was probably too subtle.
 
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I was bring facetious mate, albeit I was probably too subtle.
Oh. :lol: Well, it seemed a fair statement...I mean IF Yarde went on to be brilliant and Tunde then trained someone else who did well, it would be different.
 
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That's fair, but generous. The reality is that as a trainer, he's not led a single fighter to even domestic level triumph. And...there are people who would beat up journeymen etc without anyone training them. If you punch like Daniel Dubois, the first 8 fights could probably have no trainer, no corner team at all, just you and your stool and water bottle, and you'd still be sparking them.

Yarde has talent, hits hard and is a big fucker for the weight. But he has not improved one jot since he fought Chris Hobbs nearly 2 years ago. He has not improved in any area, but is still hard hitting by nature, still has decent hand speed and is still big and strong. But no sparring is not helping him learn how to not get tagged and seeing as he has yet to fight anyone who can punch a hole in a wet paper bag, it leaves rather obvious question marks.
hang on, is he not doing ANY sparing? :lol:
 
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hang on, is he not doing ANY sparing? :lol:
No light heavy has ever mentioned sparring him..... you usually hear stories about who fighters are sparring don't you.

His punch resistance must be shocking if he's not getting in good sparring, Jake Ball levels of resistance.
 
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I cant watch any interviews of Tunde hes filled Yarde with this timing is everything nonsense, Yarde is #1 with the WBO he should have took the Kovalev fight when offered now Kovalev is rejuvenated he is not beating him

Yarde was offered Beterbiev aswell, Johnson managed to drop Beterbiev, Yarde should have tried his luck Beterbiev is beatable and hasnt had many pro fights himself

Yarde is not beating a motivated Kovalev who they might call him mandatory for any time soon
 
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“And Yarde don’t spar no prospects in his weight class or the ones above or below. Once a top prospect came to spar — no name — but he came to put it on us. The first jab he threw was like a right hand. Ant parried it. Next thing, Ant’s knocked him cold. We don’t want that."

“Firstly, I didn’t like getting punched in the face ’cause I was a good-looking boy [laughs]! Yet so-called trainers were encouraging kids to punch each other hard in the face in sparring, just to get fit.

“In martial arts, the sensei always taught techniques before allowing free fighting. Traditionally, you’re taught, you revise, then you sit the exam. You don’t sit the exam, then go back and revise. It didn’t make sense."

Sparring-related comments from his BM interview.
 
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A bit weird how Tunde is clearly running these Twitter accounts for Mohammed Bilal Ali and 'Big Ads' (head trainer at SFS apparently):



And he also runs these accounts:



Good job he's not watching boxing 19 hours a day like he used to...
Fucking hell those boxers retweets is just all content about Tunde, what a ego driven plumb.

Bin this guy Frank.
 
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