"There is a collusion plot to keep Joshua out" - Eddie Hearn

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The way Boxing works now, I wish there was a system where all purses were 50/50, or perhaps a rule where the purse literally cannot be more than 60/40 in favour of another, but that wouldn't work as well as you'd still get bellends saying they're the A-Side, which feels like a cancer Floyd Mayweather has really populated in the current era. 50/50 and the winner gets 60/40, or a bonus. Maybe then it would also help not to see such fucking joke fights where the underdog is 14/1 and doesn't stand a chance in winning anyway, so they turn out to be at best "fun fights" or "minor upsets where the propped up favourite looks like a bellend" where it's just a promotional tool.

Guess it would only be a workable concept in bigger fights, as fighters do need to learn their trade, but it certainly would make shit more interesting. This prizefighter value in fights where there's the A-Side this, B-Side that. It's not a fucking record, it's a boxing match. Get in there and twat the other guy for more cash.

Also Eddie Hearn can spaghett tae fuck. I wonder if he'd be as successful today if Groves hadn't twatted Froch in that first round and created a Superfight. People forget how ridiculous that being on PPV was originally.
 
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translation: Hearn's fantasy of being the new Don King is not happening.
I heard Eddie Hearn talking boxing legacies the other day and he wasn't referring to Joshua's legacy or any other fighter's legacy, he was referring to his own!

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All the stuff about fighters not wanting to fight or the wrangling over splits and percentages is irrelevant. Boxing fans love to obsess over who deserves what but in cases like this, there's a much bigger stumbling block and that's the TV rights issue. We had it for years in America with the HBO/Showtime battle, and when you think of sagas like Pacquiao/Mayweather or Stevenson/Kovalev, it was never about anything other than the TV rights. Had the fighters been on the same platform, it would have happened but the fact is, you're never going to get TV stations agreeing to this bouts because it's not in their interest to do so after backing a guy in 20 previous fights where they lost money.

In terms of a hierarchy of the problem, the fighters are the least significant, then it's the promoters but they'd throw their fighters to the lions for the right cash. The issue is that these multi-billion dollar companies who have no interest in boxing and just want a return on their investment aren't ever going to do the right thing for us boxing fans. Put Wilder on DAZN, the Joshua fight gets signed in a week, put Joshua on BT, the Fury fight gets signed in a week...that's the issue here, and it's been the biggest issue for preventing big fights over the last 30+ years.

This is why I don't care about boxing anymore because it's all essentially irrelevant. It's not the people within boxing who are the main issue in stopping us from the big payoff bouts we all want to see, so as fans, you just pull your hair out because some executives who don't know a single thing about the sport and care even less decide that you won't get to see the fights you are invested in.
 
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All the stuff about fighters not wanting to fight or the wrangling over splits and percentages is irrelevant. Boxing fans love to obsess over who deserves what but in cases like this, there's a much bigger stumbling block and that's the TV rights issue. We had it for years in America with the HBO/Showtime battle, and when you think of sagas like Pacquiao/Mayweather or Stevenson/Kovalev, it was never about anything other than the TV rights. Had the fighters been on the same platform, it would have happened but the fact is, you're never going to get TV stations agreeing to this bouts because it's not in their interest to do so after backing a guy in 20 previous fights where they lost money.

In terms of a hierarchy of the problem, the fighters are the least significant, then it's the promoters but they'd throw their fighters to the lions for the right cash. The issue is that these multi-billion dollar companies who have no interest in boxing and just want a return on their investment aren't ever going to do the right thing for us boxing fans. Put Wilder on DAZN, the Joshua fight gets signed in a week, put Joshua on BT, the Fury fight gets signed in a week...that's the issue here, and it's been the biggest issue for preventing big fights over the last 30+ years.

This is why I don't care about boxing anymore because it's all essentially irrelevant. It's not the people within boxing who are the main issue in stopping us from the big payoff bouts we all want to see, so as fans, you just pull your hair out because some executives who don't know a single thing about the sport and care even less decide that you won't get to see the fights you are invested in.
Boxing fans obsessing over who deserves what is only contributing to the problem. Promoters are not only fueling that obsession, they are using it as a means to justify fights not getting made that not only could be made, should be made.
 
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Anyone see this Tweet by Eddie earlier today? :lol:

Thats a completely reasonable and fair point? why is aj held up to standards that the others arent? his record as an am or pro is far better than either fury or wilder. other than the usual hearn/aj hate whats not to like?

the recent fury announcement is the real spanner in the works. am i right in thinkimg aj is a free agent next year? a glimmer of hope maybe.......
 

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Thats a completely reasonable and fair point? why is aj held up to standards that the others arent? his record as an am or pro is far better than either fury or wilder. other than the usual hearn/aj hate whats not to like?

the recent fury announcement is the real spanner in the works. am i right in thinkimg aj is a free agent next year? a glimmer of hope maybe.......
The works were already jammed with spanners. This is just another one.
 
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Thats a completely reasonable and fair point? why is aj held up to standards that the others arent? his record as an am or pro is far better than either fury or wilder. other than the usual hearn/aj hate whats not to like?

the recent fury announcement is the real spanner in the works. am i right in thinkimg aj is a free agent next year? a glimmer of hope maybe.......
Because it's a skewed viewpoint to fit Eddie's agenda. Nobody questions the fact AJ has a better record after 23 fights.

But right now, when judging the overall picture, his pro record certainty isn't "far better" than Fury's. When their records are compared, Fury holds the top two positions for best wins (yes, I'm counting the Wilder fight).

And one thing Eddie's fancy graphic doesn't show is that, out of the three men featured, Joshua is the only person not to have fought either guy. And that's the key problem. It's why Joshua has been getting so much stick recently.

His fast ascent to heavyweight glory is admirable and something to celebrate. But Joshua is the 'ruler of the division' that hasn't fought either of his two main rivals. Something that seems unlikely to change anytime soon. And Eddie's graphic glosses over that issue, while also trying to shine a negative light on Fury and Wilder.
 
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The way Boxing works now, I wish there was a system where all purses were 50/50, or perhaps a rule where the purse literally cannot be more than 60/40 in favour of another, but that wouldn't work as well as you'd still get bellends saying they're the A-Side, which feels like a cancer Floyd Mayweather has really populated in the current era. 50/50 and the winner gets 60/40, or a bonus. Maybe then it would also help not to see such fucking joke fights where the underdog is 14/1 and doesn't stand a chance in winning anyway, so they turn out to be at best "fun fights" or "minor upsets where the propped up favourite looks like a bellend" where it's just a promotional tool.

Guess it would only be a workable concept in bigger fights, as fighters do need to learn their trade, but it certainly would make shit more interesting. This prizefighter value in fights where there's the A-Side this, B-Side that. It's not a fucking record, it's a boxing match. Get in there and twat the other guy for more cash.

Also Eddie Hearn can spaghett tae fuck. I wonder if he'd be as successful today if Groves hadn't twatted Froch in that first round and created a Superfight. People forget how ridiculous that being on PPV was originally.
Sorry to disappoint you but Mayweather was not the first to demand the bigger cut.
And AJ won't be the last, the facts are if you are the bigger name and have the bigger fan base, you surely will be more deserving of a bigger cut.
Let's say Wilder had fought AJ or Fury instead of Ortiz. Do you really think wilder gets a bigger cut?
 
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The way Boxing works now, I wish there was a system where all purses were 50/50, or perhaps a rule where the purse literally cannot be more than 60/40 in favour of another, but that wouldn't work as well as you'd still get bellends saying they're the A-Side, which feels like a cancer Floyd Mayweather has really populated in the current era. 50/50 and the winner gets 60/40, or a bonus. Maybe then it would also help not to see such fucking joke fights where the underdog is 14/1 and doesn't stand a chance in winning anyway, so they turn out to be at best "fun fights" or "minor upsets where the propped up favourite looks like a bellend" where it's just a promotional tool.

Guess it would only be a workable concept in bigger fights, as fighters do need to learn their trade, but it certainly would make shit more interesting. This prizefighter value in fights where there's the A-Side this, B-Side that. It's not a fucking record, it's a boxing match. Get in there and twat the other guy for more cash.

Also Eddie Hearn can spaghett tae fuck. I wonder if he'd be as successful today if Groves hadn't twatted Froch in that first round and created a Superfight. People forget how ridiculous that being on PPV was originally.
:rofl Which one is it. Or do they get 50/50 as long as no one wins?
 

DB Cooper

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True. Life's a negotiation.

Like it or not, Eddie out negotiates everyone. It's sport for him. He loves the wheeling and dealing. :yep
Hearn made such a mess of dealing with Wilder & Finkel the job was handed over to someone else.