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question is, what does tiger need to do now to become the all time greatest?

is he already?
If he can be competitive for a sustained period in the majors and get 1 more, I think while statistically he won't surpass Nickalus - be impossible argue against him given all his injuries.
 
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If he can be competitive for a sustained period in the majors and get 1 more, I think while statistically he won't surpass Nickalus - be impossible argue against him given all his injuries.
If he can get another 5 years out of himself at this level, that's 20 majors he could be legitimately competing at. It's not inconceivable to see him win 3 of them.

I think he might get 2 more personally, but wouldn't back against him making 18 or 19.
 
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If he can get another 5 years out of himself at this level, that's 20 majors he could be legitimately competing at. It's not inconceivable to see him win 3 of them.

I think he might get 2 more personally, but wouldn't back against him making 18 or 19.
I don't even watch golf but I'm way happy for Tiger.
 
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If he can get another 5 years out of himself at this level, that's 20 majors he could be legitimately competing at. It's not inconceivable to see him win 3 of them.

I think he might get 2 more personally, but wouldn't back against him making 18 or 19.
I don't think he can compete for another 5 years in legit contention on final day - purely due to who knows how long his body will hold up. Surely it's only time before it breaks down again.
 
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I don't think he can compete for another 5 years in legit contention on final day - purely due to who knows how long his body will hold up. Surely it's only time before it breaks down again.
Or hes just done dealing with the constant grind. I think hes still dealing with quite a bit of pain. What time he say he was getting up to prepare for a 9:20 round? I think he said 330.
 
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Or hes just done dealing with the constant grind. I think hes still dealing with quite a bit of pain. What time he say he was getting up to prepare for a 9:20 round? I think he said 330.
Good point. Thats why if he can go 12-24 months and compete final day more often than not at majors, despite injuries be GOAT regardless of total wins.
 
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I don't think he can compete for another 5 years in legit contention on final day - purely due to who knows how long his body will hold up. Surely it's only time before it breaks down again.
He's been going very well, physically and from a competitive point of view for nearly 18mths at this stage. He was in contention for majors at the back end of last year. He was still only coming back from everything at that point. I'd give him a good shot at it. Maybe not 5 straight years, but 5 of the next 7 or 8 in good condition is very achievable in my opinion.
 
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If he can get another 5 years out of himself at this level, that's 20 majors he could be legitimately competing at. It's not inconceivable to see him win 3 of them.

I think he might get 2 more personally, but wouldn't back against him making 18 or 19.

Well, considering it has taken him 11 years to get this Major win, I don't know if he can get enough to surpass Nicholas before he has to hang the clubs up on the touring level. There's a lot of guys out there that can play just a good as he did this week, and that's a lot of long odds to overcome.
 
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Well, considering it has taken him 11 years to get this Major win, I don't know if he can get enough to surpass Nicholas before he has to hang the clubs up on the touring level. There's a lot of guys out there that can play just a good as he did this week, and that's a lot of long odds to overcome.
Chances are that he doesn't pass Nicklaus.

But, not winning a major within the last 11 year's has more to do with injury and personal issues, than it does his ability to play golf at the top level when he is 100% himself.

He crashed to 1,195th in the world ranking 2 years ago, not because he was a shit golfer, but because he wasn't around to play golf due to injury. You don't play tournaments, you don't get ranking points.
 

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well the debate online is pretty fierce about woods vs nicklaus for all time best. on the one hand people say its all about majors, but if you look at all time pga wins, tiger has 81, and is only one off the all time highest of 82 by sam snead. he now has 15 majors. its not inconceivable that with this win and the fact that he is only 44 he still has time to get another 2 or 3. he is also the only man to hold all 4 majors at the same time, no one ever has done that. and no one else ever looks like doing it either.

yes he's not the youngest guy out there but fuck this is tiger bloody woods we are talking about here. he's not some flash in the pan, the man is a born champion and he has determination like no other. i say a 90% fit tiger with 100% mental focus is better than the rest of them out there.

and with this tremendous boost of confidence winning his 5th green jacket, that's really what the guy needed. to reaffirm to himself yes i am still the best in the world.

i honestly think he can pass jack's 18.

imagine the hysteria if he does.
 
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Good post.

Although I wouldn't say nobody else has ever got close to holding the 4 majors, or is unlikely to do so. Spieth got close enough recently, won the masters, the US open, 4th in the open and 2nd in the USPGA.

Koepka has won 3 of the last 6 majors and finished 2nd yesterday. That's pretty damn close form to having them all.

That's just in my recent memory. I'm sure guys got close in the past.
 
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Good post.

Although I wouldn't say nobody else has ever got close to holding the 4 majors, or is unlikely to do so. Spieth got close enough recently, won the masters, the US open, 4th in the open and 2nd in the USPGA.

Koepka has won 3 of the last 6 majors and finished 2nd yesterday. That's pretty damn close form to having them all.

That's just in my recent memory. I'm sure guys got close in the past.
fair call, but there still remains only 5 men who have ever won all 4 majors in their careers - the career grand slam.

and tiger is the only one to win them all in a row.

i just can't see anyone else doing it, not with the depth of field they have now.
 
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Guys who know golf more than I do - is it reasonable to say that:

a) Woods has more competition, and of a higher quality than Nicklaus did?

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b) Peak Woods destroyed his competition more spectacularly than Peak Nicklaus did?

and

c) The game is much more physical now than it was in Nicklaus' day, meaning it's more a young man's game and it's more difficult to win majors in your 40s even without the crippling injuries that Tiger has had for years and continues to carry?

Is all of that fair? Most of it?

And if it is fair - then if Woods never wins another, or falls short by 1 or 2, how many majors handicap should he be given, based on how much more difficult it was/is in his day as compared to Nicklaus'?

I don't know any of this, it's just an educated guess. :conf

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Guys who know golf more than I do - is it reasonable to say that:

a) Woods has more competition, and of a higher quality than Nicklaus did?

and

b) Peak Woods destroyed his competition more spectacularly than Peak Nicklaus did?

and

c) The game is much more physical now than it was in Nicklaus' day, meaning it's more a young man's game and it's more difficult to win majors in your 40s even without the crippling injuries that Tiger has had for years and continues to carry?

Is all of that fair? Most of it?

And if it is fair - then if Woods never wins another, or falls short by 1 or 2, how many majors handicap should he be given, based on how much more difficult it was/is in his day as compared to Nicklaus'?

I don't know any of this, it's just an educated guess. :conf

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And on the flip side of this argument, who's to say how many more majors Nicholas could have won if playing with today's golfing equipment. Titanium drivers, graphite shafts, bigger sweet spots on irons, more advance technology in making golf balls, etc.

It's like comparing apples to oranges when you go back just 20 years, much less damn near half a century ago when Nicholas was in his prime.
 
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And on the flip side of this argument, who's to say how many more majors Nicholas could have won if playing with today's golfing equipment. Titanium drivers, graphite shafts, bigger sweet spots on irons, more advance technology in making golf balls, etc.

It's like comparing apples to oranges when you go back just 20 years, much less damn near half a century ago when Nicholas was in his prime.
not really, if all players competing in a tournament have the same gear then its a level playing field.

that's like saying john mcenroe would have more slams than pete sampras because of technology.

woods has better gear but so does everyone else he's competing against.

if tiger had to use nicklaus' gear but so did everyone else, it doesn't change anything, he'd still have 15 majors
 
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