Time to reflect - A lot has changed since 2018

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In 2018 Anthony Joshua was 22-0, held three of the four major titles and his manager Eddie Hearn claimed they 'ruled' the heavyweight division. Everyone else was B side according to Hearn and he was talking 20/80 and 30/70 splits.

Hearn had the biggest drawing and most marketable heavyweight on the planet and seemed to be enjoying the status and limelight every bit as much as Joshua did, not to mention the money.

Hearn talked like Joshua was invincible. He certainly thought their position at the top of the division was and unless you came cap in hand, accepted a lopsided split and then managed to topple Joshua, that's the way things were going to stay.

But then the gravy train hit a fork in the road and not long after that suffered a temporarily derailment.

The first hiccup occurred when Hearn appeared to try and bully a few power brokers who had been around a lot longer and considered themselves, perhaps rightfully, a lot wiser. Shelly Finkel, Bob Arum and Frank Warren weren't going to willingly dance to Hearn's tune. After a marathon long and very public negotiation saga, Joshua-Wilder never got made. But Hearn still appeared to hold all the aces as far as plan B's went.

Then along came Warren-Finkel-Arum with their masterstroke, Wilder-Fury, followed by Wilder-Fury II.

In the meantime, Joshua dropped the ball against Ruiz. He was able to pick it up again in the rematch.

But here we are in 2020 and unlike 2018 we no longer have one heavyweight king, we have two, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.
 
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Basically it took an "avengers" style alliance of all the other old, almost dead promotors to hold off Earn Hearn

And it was the avengers last stand
 
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It is amazing how quickly business can be done between willing participants.
I agree, if team Fury or team wilder had been willing to accept RECORD paydays itdhave been easy to make the AJ fight. Alas, they both saw each other as less risk, only Fury was correct.
 
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Joshua fighting one of Wilder or Fury?? I'll believe it when I see it. Hearn's bluster doesn't convince me, they had the chance to make the undisputed fight in 2018 and they swerved it like the plague. Now he is calling out fury even though he knows they are about to sign to fight Kubrat Pulev and Wilder has a rematch clause.
 
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Fury burst Wlad's bubble and then disappeared, leaving Joshua the beneficiary of a perfect storm. One can only imagine how different the past 2 to 4 years would have played out if that prime version of Fury had fought on.
What a great point, never really discussed! Hearn and aj definitely got lucky there, what a different timeline that would have been.

That said matchroom look by far the best ran of the big companies now, look at this card tomorrow. My big concern is the lack of uk stars coming through though.
 
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I remember when Frank announced that he was talking to Finkel about putting together Fury-Wilder 1. Everyone was laughing thinking they were mad, it was too soon, will never happen. When Fury signed with Bob people thought it would be a disaster for all concerned, how wrong they were. Fury's comeback has been absolutely perfect.
 
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Joshua is world champion because Fury fucked off for a while. At best Joshua would have picked up the IBF which Fury was stripped of because he had to fight Wlad again. I honestly believe deep down Hearn knows Fury wins. Remember before Fury vs Wilder 1 they where only really talking about a Wilder fight, barely mentioned or brushed off any talk of Fury. Fury is a lot more skilled than Joshua and Hearn and McCracken know that. Are we just going to forget Joshua has been life and death with pensioner Wlad and got smashed by fat man Ruiz.
 
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I remember when Frank announced that he was talking to Finkel about putting together Fury-Wilder 1. Everyone was laughing thinking they were mad, it was too soon, will never happen. When Fury signed with Bob people thought it would be a disaster for all concerned, how wrong they were. Fury's comeback has been absolutely perfect.
Eddie Hearn was laughing as loud as anyone until he realized they were serious and would soon become a serious threat. It could not have possibly have played out better for Fury, Arum and Warren.
 
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Joshua is world champion because Fury fucked off for a while. At best Joshua would have picked up the IBF which Fury was stripped of because he had to fight Wlad again. I honestly believe deep down Hearn knows Fury wins. Remember before Fury vs Wilder 1 they where only really talking about a Wilder fight, barely mentioned or brushed off any talk of Fury. Fury is a lot more skilled than Joshua and Hearn and McCracken know that. Are we just going to forget Joshua has been life and death with pensioner Wlad and got smashed by fat man Ruiz.
Bullshit. EH has known AJ for a decade and they're friends, he believes AJ will win, just as I do. The WK AJ beat was way better than the one Fury beat as he was motivated to win back his titles not plodding through another defense after 10 years. If EH didn't believe AJ would win he would find away to get round having the fight or at least push it back into 2021 or 2022. Just because you worship that racist, sexist homophobe doesn't mean everyone else on the planet does and especially not the people closest to AJ.
 

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Bullshit. EH has known AJ for a decade and they're friends, he believes AJ will win, just as I do. The WK AJ beat was way better than the one Fury beat as he was motivated to win back his titles not plodding through another defense after 10 years. If EH didn't believe AJ would win he would find away to get round having the fight or at least push it back into 2021 or 2022. Just because you worship that racist, sexist homophobe doesn't mean everyone else on the planet does and especially not the people closest to AJ.
So Wlad wasn't motivated against Fury but he was against Joshua? :lol:

You and and your embarrassingly transparent agenda just get sadder and sadder.
 

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Bullshit. EH has known AJ for a decade and they're friends, he believes AJ will win, just as I do. The WK AJ beat was way better than the one Fury beat as he was motivated to win back his titles not plodding through another defense after 10 years. If EH didn't believe AJ would win he would find away to get round having the fight or at least push it back into 2021 or 2022. Just because you worship that racist, sexist homophobe doesn't mean everyone else on the planet does and especially not the people closest to AJ.
Awww how sweet. Not sure wtf that has to do with a discussion on a boxing forum, but sweet nonetheless
 

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Fury burst Wlad's bubble and then disappeared, leaving Joshua the beneficiary of a perfect storm. One can only imagine how different the past 2 to 4 years would have played out if that prime version of Fury had fought on.
I think fury leaving the toxic defensive environment of Peter fury and fat mick is the best thing thats happened to him. Fury was always charismatic but the constant feeling sorry for yourself and conspiracy theories and fuck you to the world was wearing very thin.

Since his comeback he's just as charismatic as before but has a positive energy about him. Can you imagine the Peter fury camp after the wilder robbery? We'd never hear the end of it
 
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I think fury leaving the toxic defensive environment of Peter fury and fat mick is the best thing thats happened to him. Fury was always charismatic but the constant feeling sorry for yourself and conspiracy theories and fuck you to the world was wearing very thin.

Since his comeback he's just as charismatic as before but has a positive energy about him. Can you imagine the Peter fury camp after the wilder robbery? We'd never hear the end of it
A bit unfair on Peter

He took Fury at a point he was getting rocked and dropped by guys like Firtha and Pajkic and 90% of people thought he was ducking price, and turned him into the guy who dethroned Klitschko.
 
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So Wlad wasn't motivated against Fury but he was against Joshua? :lol:

You and and your embarrassingly transparent agenda just get sadder and sadder.
I think it's pretty well known that Klitschko's marriage to a woman suffering post partum depression was falling apart during the Fury training camp, and EVERYONE thought Fury was a big useless stiff who Wlad could take out with a right hand whenever he felt like it. Barely anyone was picking Fury in that fight, like literally BARELY ANYONE.

Meanwhile against Joshua he had a point to prove having lost his titles and been denied a chance at a rematch because Fury was proven to be a drug cheat, had moved past his marriage issues and fully focussed on boxing, against a guy he saw (rightly as it happened as he got hurt way worse) as much more if a threat than Fury.

(Watch you have NO comeback to Fury being a drug cheat)

So it's pretty reasonable that yes, he was more motivated for the AJ fight.

Other than the FACTUAL statement about Fury's drug cheating, all of the above is just logical deduction.
 
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So Wlad wasn't motivated against Fury but he was against Joshua? :lol:

You and and your embarrassingly transparent agenda just get sadder and sadder.
Clearly haven't seen the way WK fought it both fights. He gave it his all against AJ, he just assumed he could jab his way to another points win against TF.

Awww how sweet. Not sure wtf that has to do with a discussion on a boxing forum, but sweet nonetheless
It is relevant when @Celtic Warrior 2.0 is claiming Hearn actually favours Fury! The relationship between the Boxer,Trainer and promoter makes a difference. They believe in each other and no Fury fanboy shit can pretend that they're all secretly think Fury is better.
 
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It's funny how Fury had off nights against McDermott, Pajkic, Firtha, Cunningham, Pianeta, Wallin.

But if you suggest Klitschko had an off night Vs Fury "oh no, impossible, that was fully motivated 100% Klitschko"

Same way with AJ Vs Ruiz 1

Apparently Fury is the only guy who can have off nights.