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There's a bit of difference because the numbers of Muslims in this country who support a lot of the things we find appalling are high. It's not a case of odd people here and there, you see very high numbers who think honour killings are acceptable, who wouldn't report terrorism, who think death for apostasy is a fair punishment, who think homosexuality should be legal etc.. I'm against generalisations but when 0% of young Muslims think that homosexuality should be legally allowed, then you can start making generalisations without being inaccurate.
That’s absolute bollocks, Jack. Something I never thought you’d be pushing.

For one, I know and spend a great deal of my time with Muslims (and have done so all of my life), and I’ve yet to come across a single person who thinks honour killings is okay. Even the scummiest ones don’t condone it.

And the reporting of terrorism issue has long been debunked, with the Daily Star even apologising for their misleading headlines:



Spreading extremely inaccurate assertions, and percentages lol, like that does not help. It just unfairly demonises a group and creates more of a divide. Quit that shit.
 
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That’s absolute bollocks, Jack. Something I never thought you’d be pushing.

For one, I know and spend a great deal of my time with Muslims (and have done so all of my life), and I’ve yet to come across a single person who thinks honour killings is okay. Even the scummiest ones don’t even condone it.

And the reporting of terrorism issue has long been debunked, with the Daily Star even apologising for their misleading headlines:



Spreading extremely inaccurate assertions, and percentages lol, like that does not help. It just unfairly demonises a group and creates more of a divide. Quit that shit.
Which interpretation of Islam says that being gay is OK?

Perhaps you could point to a couple of places in the Islamic world that have thriving gay communities?

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One right wing murderer who hates Muslims kills another right winger who hates Muslims, over drugs/racketeering turf and gangsterism, these are surely the guys we need to be defending out community

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Dromara Street what number? We can fight on the green out front.
My favourite spot! maybe being in front of so many eyes wouldn't be such a good idea though, we'll find a spot down the walkway, where all good intercommunity fair digs take place.

Make no mistake you will be on away territory if you want to fight me on any of those places, but you want it, so I will oblige, what's the reward though?
 
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My favourite spot! maybe being in front of so many eyes wouldn't be such a good idea though, we'll find a spot down the walkway, where all good intercommunity fair digs take place.

Make no mistake you will be on away territory if you want to fight me on any of those places, but you want it, so I will oblige, what's the reward though?
So you're joking? When will a keyboard warrior who has never boxed but judges warriors who risk their life step up in real life? FAGGOTS!
 
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So you're joking? When will a keyboard warrior who has never boxed but judges warriors who risk their life step up in real life? FAGGOTS!
Well...I've boxed a bit, done well enough to fancy myself able to handle myself with randomers on boxing forums (If I can handle good boxers in the gym, and outsie the gym, I can handle guys willing to get into fights over the computer is how I see it)

Let's fight on the green!!!! we wouldn't be the first or the last, but in this weather, with the trees so green, and the sun shining off the Lagan, there are surely worse venues for a fight, most fights round here I remember took place in summer time anyway! We could add to some pretty good fights that have taken place on the green over the decades, maybe make some history!

Fair digs were usually a pastime of my teenage years when I felt I always had something to prove @SouthpawCounter but now? I am quite curious
 
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Well...I've boxed a bit, done well enough to fancy myself able to handle myself with randomers on boxing forums (If I can handle good boxers in the gym, and outsie the gym, I can handle guys willing to get into fights over the computer is how I see it)

Let's fight on the green!!!! we wouldn't be the first or the last, but in this weather, with the trees so green, and the sun shining off the Lagan, there are surely worse venues for a fight, most fights round here I remember took place in summer time anyway! We could add to some pretty good fights that have taken place on the green over the decades, maybe make some history!

Fair digs were usually a pastime of my teenage years when I felt I always had something to prove @SouthpawCounter but now? I am quite curious
I am coming up this weekend. Should be able to find you if I ask about.
 
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Police have recorded a surge in hate crime directed at people in England and Wales because of their religious beliefs.

It rose by 40%, from 5,949 in 2016-17 to 8,336 in 2017-18, according to the Home Office data.

Most religious hate crime - 52% of all offences - was aimed at Muslims.

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See the idea is not to excuse what those gangs my be doing, it's trying to make people understand why attacking the random muslim guy you see on the street isn't the answer... and I actually have a few questions about those numbers but I'll have another read over it tomorrow.
5 thousand that's a drop in the ocean compared to the 92,000 racist attacks against white people in one year between 2005-2006, funnily enough that didn't get any recognition by the msm
 
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Which interpretation of Islam says that being gay is OK?

Perhaps you could point to a couple of places in the Islamic world that have thriving gay communities?

:hat
Jack was referring to the Muslims in this country. And if we're discussing the issue of whether the beliefs of Muslims can be compatible (with others) in this country, the interpretation of Islam does strictly say: respect the law of the land.

The law of this land does not condemn homosexuality. And prohibits discrimination against it. So Muslims by the instructions of their beliefs are required to honour this. They may not agree with it, but they're required to not get involved in the personal matters of others. It's worth mentioning that this opinion or belief (that homosexuality is wrong) is not exclusive to just Muslims in this country. There are plenty of non-Muslims -- Jewish, some Hindus, some Sikhs, conservative Christians, and even some atheists -- who hold the same belief and operate in the same way the Muslims (again, by the instruction of their religion) do by: not agreeing with it, but letting them be and minding their own business. So my point is that we should stop this assertion that Muslims are problematic in this country and that their beliefs/practices clash with others - as, even with the stance on homosexuality, it still fits in line with plenty of non-Muslims.

As for Islamic countries elsewhere -- where the majority are Muslim -- it's true, homosexual acts are illegal.
 
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Why do you get the impression that I'm some liberal guilt afflicted SJW? I am against the profiling of all people based on their religion or "community they come from" which is something again we hear a lot of over here, the case against the parachute regiment (same regiment that was caught shooting pictures of Corbyn) and their execution of civilians over here and one of their own soldiers said "some of the men I served with were psychopaths, making bets on the kills they could get. Anybody and everybody was considered a member of the IRA" and we have to hear how they shouldn't be prosecuted because "they were just doing their jobs"



The justification against the murder of people in my community by men like Joe Bratty were that all the taigs are either IRA supporters or they helkped cover for "republican crimes"
You mentioned how I would feel if my house was attacked, well it's ironic because like I said, I come from the Ormeau Road and my house is on the first street across the bridge over the Lagan, and while I was thankfully a little young to remember everything, I do remember my uncle being shot by Brattys unit and the other absolutely disgusting thingis that went on around here

Let me give you a little profile of Joe Bratty and some of his units greatest hits, he has his own wikipedia page

"Joe Bratty (c. 1961 - 31 July 1994) was a Northern Irish loyalist paramilitary and a leading member of the Ulster Defence Association's South Belfast Brigade. The head of UDA activity in the area during one of the organisation's most active phases, Bratty was suspected by security forces of playing a role in, or at least orchestrating, around 15 killings. "

Bratty commemorated with other South Belfast UDA members on a Sandy Row plaque

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Bratty first came to attention in his native Ballynafeigh (an area in south Belfast) as a teenage street-fighter battling with local Catholic/republican youths and was responsible for altering the Workers' Party of Ireland slogan "Sectarianism Kills Workers" on the side of Havelock House to "Sectarianism Kills Taigs".[1] Bratty, who was also known for his hatred of black people, also appended the initials of the Ku Klux Klan to this piece of graffiti.[1] During his years as a street-fighter, Bratty, who had distinctive oriental shaped eyes, was given the nickname 'Chinky' by his Catholic opponents.[1] Given the proximity of the two communities on the Ormeau Road, Bratty had grown up alongside Catholics and as such had for a number of years been accused of terrorising people he knew to be Catholic with beatings and intimidation before becoming involved in murder around 1990.[2]

UDA activity



Ulster Freedom Fighters insignia continues to be displayed in the Annadale Flats area, January 2012

Eventually, Bratty became head of the UDA in Ballynafeigh, leading his own unit from Annadale Flats. Bratty's unit struck on 7 September 1990 when they entered the house of a 34-year-old Catholic, Emmanuel Shields, and shot him dead as he lay in bed with his pregnant girlfriend. According to his family, Shields, who had a criminal record but not for republican activity, had regularly been targeted by Bratty and his associates for physical attack in the past and they had fired shots into his mother's house in nearby Burmah Street when he lived with her.[2] Bratty christened his unit 'Ku Klux Klan', and members of the group, including himself, had the initials KKK tattooed on their arms.[3]

Bratty, together with Stephen "Inch" McFerran, UDA military commander for the Ormeau area and RUC Special Branch agent,[4] ordered the attack on the lower Ormeau branch of Sean Graham's bookmakers on 5 February 1992, an act resulting in the death of five civilian men.[5]


Eventually, Bratty became head of the UDA in Ballynafeigh, leading his own unit from Annadale Flats. Bratty's unit struck on 7 September 1990 when they entered the house of a 34-year-old Catholic, Emmanuel Shields, and shot him dead as he lay in bed with his pregnant girlfriend. According to his family, Shields, who had a criminal record but not for republican activity, had regularly been targeted by Bratty and his associates for physical attack in the past and they had fired shots into his mother's house in nearby Burmah Street when he lived with her.[2] Bratty christened his unit 'Ku Klux Klan', and members of the group, including himself, had the initials KKK tattooed on their arms.[3]
Bratty, together with Stephen "Inch" McFerran, UDA military commander for the Ormeau area and RUC Special Branch agent,[4] ordered the attack on the lower Ormeau branch of Sean Graham's bookmakers on 5 February 1992, an act resulting in the death of five civilian men.[5]His right-hand man, Raymond Elder, was identified by witnesses as one of the gunmen in the attack, and fibres from the getaway car were found on his denims.[6] Bratty was widely believed to have been present during the attack, although the rest of the team that Bratty sent was made up of UDA members from East Belfast rather than local members.[7] Another gunman had been provided by UDA West Belfast Brigadeleader Johnny Adair, who had first conceived of the action.[8] Alex Kerr, Bratty's commanding officer as South Belfast brigadier, commended the attack, claiming that Lower Ormeau residents had been involved in shielding republicans before suggesting that the attack was revenge for the Teebane bombing.[7]
In addition to the 5 February Ormeau Road shootings, Bratty's unit was allegedly involved in the murder of Michael Gilbride, a Catholic taxi driver who had settled in the Lower Ormeau area.[9] Gilbride was killed outside his parents' home on Fernwood Street not far from Bratty's Annadale Flats base.[10] Another victim was Donna Wilson, a Protestant and resident of Annadale Flats who had recently moved to the area from Tullycarnet, East Belfast. A number of residents had complained to Bratty in his role as local UDA commander about the noise of her stereo and he assembled a team of ten men armed with baseball bats who broke in, beat her to death (seriously injuring three of her companions) and wrecked the flat. In the end, only a sixty-year-old who had led the complaints to Bratty was charged in relation to Wilson's death.[11] Bratty was also identified as the getaway driverfor the attack in which Teresa Clinton, the wife of a Sinn Féin election candidate, was murdered in her Lower Ormeau home.[12] Thomas "Tucker" Annett, one of Bratty's closest lieutenants, was identified as the main gunman although not charged. Annett died on 12 July 1996 as part of an internal UDA dispute when two fellow members of the organisation kicked him to death outside a bar on the Ormeau Road.[12] One of the killers has since been identified as Stephen "Inch" McFerran.[4]


Death[edit]
Bratty was first targeted in late 1991 by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) when they decided to adopt the tactic of focusing on prominent loyalist paramilitaries alongside the security forces. Bratty's Annadale Flats home was attacked on 13 November, but Bratty was not at home and no one was hurt.[13] Some time after this attack, Bratty moved from the Annadale Flats to live in Greenwood Lodge on the Upper Newtownards Road in East Belfast.[14]
Bratty and Raymond Elder were shot dead by the IRA on 31 July 1994, in an act seen as one of a number of "revenge attacks" immediately prior to the IRA ceasefire. The pair had been drinking in the Kimberley Bar off the Ormeau Road unaware that two gunmen were waiting outside in a van, and both died at the scene of the attack.[15] The gunmen were armed with AK-47 assault rifles.[16] The getaway car was pursued by a Royal Ulster Constabulary vehicle that was in the area but the chase stopped when the police vehicle was impeded by a crowd of republicans.[15][17] Bratty was 33 years old at the time of his death.[18] He left behind a widow and three children. His son was given honorary membership of the Paisley Imperial Blues flute band, the leading UDA-aligned flute band in Scotland, immediately following his father's death.[19]
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Contemporaneous graffiti celebrating the killings of Bratty and Elder, still extant in 2017. Lower Ormeau Road
The killing of Bratty was greeted with relief, even by some nationalist residents of the Lower Ormeau normally opposed to violence.[15]However, the aftermath saw three Catholics killed by the UDA in separate attacks with these sparking a series of IRA bomb attacks on loyalist bars, thus bringing about a temporary return to the spiral of tit-for-tat killing

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Now Let me tell you, back then it would probably curdle your stomach how many regular working people supported the likes of what Bratty was doing, because they were being pelted with propaganda from left right and center about the evils of the fenians, and not only that,you talk about your community not going to the police, but the "police" where I came from were helping Joe Bratty carry out his murders!!!
The best one was when they said the rifle used in the Ormeau Road bookies shooting was destroyed, only for it to turn up in the imperial war museum!!
They were given weapons to carry out their attacks by the RUC/Special branch, British Army and British government, but I don't blame every protestant for the evils of Joe Bratty and Raymond Elder,
I don't ask my protestant girlfriend why HER people did that to MY people, because she had fuck all to do with it.

I am not against sending Muslim grooming gangs to jail and throwing away the key, I am not against criticising Islam or any other religion that is for damn sure, but I am against demagoguery and I've seen first hand what it can do
I am of Irish descent too (my mum is from Wexford).

I don't really think you can compare people being murdered by The British Army, MI5 and the UDA in a historical diaagreement over the ownership of three to six counties and possible claims of imperalism to Tommy Robinson and his followers protesting against the raping of young children.

You havent actually answered anything I have said, all anyone does when opposing Tommy is shout racist and claim he is cauaing division.

I would take theae claims more seriously if they were not accusations by people who support the identity politics of the left.

I mean suddenly everyone is super concerned about division and unity when the light is being shone on the Islamic community. Why are the same people (who are oh so appalled at Tommy's viewpoint) taking the same view on stamping out community divison when buzzwords like '' white privilege'' and' 'white supremacy' ' are being thrown about?
 
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Jack was referring to the Muslims in this country. And if we're discussing the issue of whether the beliefs of Muslims can be compatible (with others) in this country, the interpretation of Islam does strictly say: respect the law of the land.

The law of this land does not condemn homosexuality. And prohibits discrimination against it. So Muslims by the instructions of their beliefs are required to honour this. They may not agree with it, but they're required to not get involved in the personal matters of others. It's worth mentioning that this opinion or belief (that homosexuality is wrong) is not exclusive to just Muslims in this country. There are plenty of non-Muslims -- Jewish, some Hindus, some Sikhs, conservative Christians, and even some atheists -- who hold the same belief and operate in the same way the Muslims (again, by the instruction of their religion) do by: not agreeing with it, but letting them be and minding their own business. So my point is that we should stop this assertion that Muslims are problematic in this country and that their beliefs/practices clash with others - as, even with the stance on homosexuality, it still fits in line with plenty of non-Muslims.

As for Islamic countries elsewhere -- where the majority are Muslim -- it's true, homosexual acts are illegal.
Yeah,

Have a look at whats been going on outside schools in Birmingham recently and then tell me with a straight face they are respecting the laws of the land?

Where is the persecution of those parents in the msm? I mean they are such oppressed people.

Sorry I forgot they were too busy slandering Christian bakers and hotel owners
 
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