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Tommy Robinson: Fan or Not A Fan?

  • Fan

    Votes: 30 46.9%
  • Not A Fan

    Votes: 34 53.1%

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Yaboo

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Yaboo are you capable of ever thinking for yourself or can you only search google and allow others to speak for you?
Your stupidity and idiotic viewpoints have been show up for what they are on this thread many times, by not just me, but many others too. Time to have a lie down you bigoted thick buffoon.
 
Oct 21, 2016
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I am glad I just read that piece of trash article it explained a few things to me.

What doesn't make you a victim in the eyes of the Left

- Having the largest media platform try to frame you for sexual assault
-Being unfairly imprisoned
-Having your media platforms taken away
-Being physically attacked by members of a peaceful religion
-Having your family on red alert by the local constabulary due to threats on life
-Being called a racist,neo-nazi and white supremacist when you have black family members & friends,support Israel and have spent time with Jewish Rabbis

What does make you a victim in the eyes of the left

-Being non white
-Being Muslim
-Being Left-Wing
-A woman beater dropping a milkshake lol
 
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Your stupidity and idiotic viewpoints have been show up for what they are on this thread many times, by not just me, but many others too. Time to have a lie down you bigoted thick buffoon.

Mate,

I think it is very clear I have made you look like a Muppet, you have been totally unable to refute a single one of my points. All you have done is call me silly names that make zero sense.

It has been nearly a week now and you haven't been able to explain your contradictory stance and your confused manifesto which subscribes to nothing more than a victim mentality dependent upon a table of self inflicted oppression.
 
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What country?

Syria has 2 opposing interpretations of Islam.
Iraq has 2 opposing views of Islam.
Every Arabic nation has 2 opposing opinions of Islam.

But the arrogance of a western person to claim they know more about the plight of Muslims than a Muslim is astounding.
Your post was excellent except being subjective bullshit.

We have a guy in this thread (Kraken) defending religious persecution by posting sectarian violence Christian vs Christian in Northern Ireland, a nation of 4 million, and he reckons that all muslims are the same when they total 3 billion.
The Irish can’t agree on one interpretation of Christianity but the left want to bleat that all Muslims are misunderstood because they believe the same thing about spicific subjects. Absolute bollocks.
I’m a Muslim myself. Granted, I’ve been born and raised in the West. But my parents are from a Muslim country (Pakistan), and I’ve been to visit quite a few times.

As for which country I was referring to, it was the UK (since that’s what Jack was talking about - Muslims in the UK).

Regarding interpretations...if we take the two overwhelmingly largest groups (Sunni and Shia), I believe both still adhere to the rule of ‘obey the law of the land’, as prescribed by Muhammad himself. Sunnis (being one myself) definitely do. I’ve no reason to believe Shia’s don’t also.
 
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Yeah,

Have a look at whats been going on outside schools in Birmingham recently and then tell me with a straight face they are respecting the laws of the land?

Where is the persecution of those parents in the msm? I mean they are such oppressed people.

Sorry I forgot they were too busy slandering Christian bakers and hotel owners
But they’re not breaking the law. They’re using their democratic right to protest something they don’t agree with. And they’re not telling homosexuals to not be homosexuals. Or telling you, or any other non-Muslim, to believe the same thing they do about homosexuality.

They’re just saying:

“we want the option to opt our children out of the complexities of homosexual and transgender issues, because they’re too young for it”

If other parents are okay to have their kids remain in those lessons, that’s fine. But those Muslim parents just want the ability to opt their kids out. Which isn’t that unreasonable. Also, I have to mention again that plenty of non-Muslims agree with them on this, too.
 
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But they’re not breaking the law. They’re using their democratic right to protest something they don’t agree with. And they’re not telling homosexuals to not be homosexuals. Or telling you, or any other non-Muslim, to believe the same thing they do about homosexuality.

They’re just saying:

“we want the option to opt our children out of the complexities of homosexual and transgender issues, because they’re too young for it”

If other parents are okay to have their kids remain in those lessons, that’s fine. But those Muslim parents just want the ability to opt their kids out. Which isn’t that unreasonable. Also, I have to mention again that plenty of non-Muslims agree with them on this, too.
Yeah but the difference being the schools have pandered to the Muslim parents protesting and at least four of those schools stopped the ''diversity lessons'' due to pressure from the Islamic community.

This being in a so called society that apparently oppresses Muslims. Would the school have pandered to christian parents who were protesting the same issues, I doubt it very much as its perfectly acceptable to try and tarnish Christianity amongst the trendy hipsters and wet liberals.

You only have to look at the difference in attitude and hysteria created in this issue and when a Christian bakery refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, they were only refusing business.

You are talking about democracy but lets not pretend that a huge proportion of Muslims consider it haram to vote. You only have to watch the reaction when Labour MP Hodge visited mosques in the Barking area pleading with the Islamic community to vote for Labour
 
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Who will protect him?
The establishment, you know how they’re always looking to protect Tommy Robinson and his family.

“Fresh new contempt of court charges”, you know trumped up charges the state cynically tried to use to lock this guy up for 13 months, which they had to release him because it was a complete botch job... well now they think enough anger has subsided and his voice has been silenced enough that they can get away with retrying him for an even longer sentence.

Not only that but Naz Shah (Of “those girls should shut their mouth” fame) was on the radio early to talk about this new wishy washy Islamophobia definition they want to push through.

Why do they want that definition, so they can criminalise it and go after people like Tommy with a brand new defined hate crime, maybe it’ll be a lot like those other hate crime reportings like, “someone looked at me funny on a bus .... Islamophobia” ... funny how the heat is being turned up on Tommy now he is running for MEP. Oh they really don’t like the plebeians running for positions of power, do they?
 

Jack

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That’s absolute bollocks, Jack. Something I never thought you’d be pushing.

For one, I know and spend a great deal of my time with Muslims (and have done so all of my life), and I’ve yet to come across a single person who thinks honour killings is okay. Even the scummiest ones don’t condone it.

And the reporting of terrorism issue has long been debunked, with the Daily Star even apologising for their misleading headlines:
ICM did a poll on this and found that only 34% of people would report someone with links to terrorism to police, so that's 66% who wouldn't or would deal with it a different way, a staggering fact. 52% think homosexuality should be illegal, 47% wouldn't accept a gay teacher, 23% want Sharia implemented (which therefore carries the death penalty, death for apostates and so on) and regarding honour killings, the BBC did a poll through the Asian Network and found that 1/10 people "could condone the killing of someone who dishonored their family".

Like you, I've never had bad experiences with Muslims that I've known on a personal level, I consider two to be some of the closest people to me in life at the moment, and whilst I wish you and others like Kraken, the apologist media, the left etc. were correct....the numbers don't lie. The numbers are staggering when you look at them, not just in Britain but throughout the west, and that should be tackled through honesty. There's no point in saying "this is a lie" when the numbers disagree, we should have a conversation about whether we tolerate those thoughts and if not, how to change them.
 

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Police have recorded a surge in hate crime directed at people in England and Wales because of their religious beliefs.

It rose by 40%, from 5,949 in 2016-17 to 8,336 in 2017-18, according to the Home Office data.

Most religious hate crime - 52% of all offences - was aimed at Muslims.

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See the idea is not to excuse what those gangs my be doing, it's trying to make people understand why attacking the random muslim guy you see on the street isn't the answer... and I actually have a few questions about those numbers but I'll have another read over it tomorrow.
The reason hate crime numbers are sky rocketing is because the media now consider Tweets to be a hate crime, it's got nothing to do with 'attacking random Muslims on the street'.

I'd be curious to know how much hate Sikhs, Hindus, Buddists etc. get because if it's down to sheer racist hatred, it should be fairly evenly spread but it doesn't seem to be. Nobody deserves racist abuse either, by the way, but we should be open to a conversation about why there's a disproportionate backlash.
 
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The reason hate crime numbers are sky rocketing is because the media now consider Tweets to be a hate crime, it's got nothing to do with 'attacking random Muslims on the street'.

I'd be curious to know how much hate Sikhs, Hindus, Buddists etc. get because if it's down to sheer racist hatred, it should be fairly evenly spread but it doesn't seem to be. Nobody deserves racist abuse either, by the way, but we should be open to a conversation about why there's a disproportionate backlash.
You are on to something there.
 
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The reason hate crime numbers are sky rocketing is because the media now consider Tweets to be a hate crime, it's got nothing to do with 'attacking random Muslims on the street'.

I'd be curious to know how much hate Sikhs, Hindus, Buddists etc. get because if it's down to sheer racist hatred, it should be fairly evenly spread but it doesn't seem to be. Nobody deserves racist abuse either, by the way, but we should be open to a conversation about why there's a disproportionate backlash.
Type white people into twitter and then you see real racism.
 
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ICM did a poll on this and found that only 34% of people would report someone with links to terrorism to police, so that's 66% who wouldn't or would deal with it a different way, a staggering fact. 52% think homosexuality should be illegal, 47% wouldn't accept a gay teacher, 23% want Sharia implemented (which therefore carries the death penalty, death for apostates and so on) and regarding honour killings, the BBC did a poll through the Asian Network and found that 1/10 people "could condone the killing of someone who dishonored their family".

Like you, I've never had bad experiences with Muslims that I've known on a personal level, I consider two to be some of the closest people to me in life at the moment, and whilst I wish you and others like Kraken, the apologist media, the left etc. were correct....the numbers don't lie. The numbers are staggering when you look at them, not just in Britain but throughout the west, and that should be tackled through honesty. There's no point in saying "this is a lie" when the numbers disagree, we should have a conversation about whether we tolerate those thoughts and if not, how to change them.
Yes, the same ICM research which produced skewed results (as shown in the link I posted) and its methodology heavily criticised:



You say numbers don’t lie, but some the numbers you appear to be posting do lie. 1/10 Muslims you say condone honour killing, in a BBC poll. But conveniently fail to mention this poll was on British Asians only - which not only consisted of Hindus and Sikhs too, but it also eliminates the opinion of non- Asian Muslims (Africans, Arabs, Middle-eastern and white) that make up a great deal of the UK Muslim population. Which actually tells us what we already know - honour killings, which is fast becoming out-dated by the way, is mostly a South Asian problem (as opposed to a Muslim one).

Your opinions on us Muslims — based mostly on sensationalised headlines / articles — are a little off. And seeing as though you do have the ability to selectively scrutinise data and apply interpretation (as evident by your reply to Kraken above), I’d say it’s also slightly biased.
 
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Yes, the same ICM research which produced skewed results (as shown in the link I posted) and its methodology heavily criticised:



You say numbers don’t lie, but some the numbers you appear to be posting do lie. 1/10 Muslims you say condone honour killing, in a BBC poll. But conveniently fail to mention this poll was on British Asians only - which not only consisted of Hindus and Sikhs too, but it also eliminates the opinion of non- Asian Muslims (Africans, Arabs, Middle-eastern and white) that make up a great deal of the UK Muslim population. Which actually tells us what we already know - honour killings, which is fast becoming out-dated by the way, is mostly a South Asian problem (as opposed to a Muslim one).

Your opinions on us Muslims — based mostly on sensationalised headlines / articles — are a little off. And seeing as though you do have the ability to selectively scrutinise data and apply interpretation (as evident by your reply to Kraken above), I’d say it’s also slightly biased.
I am sorry but imagine these headlines were ''One in ten White Britons believed Hitlers 14 words were right'' do you think people would be falling over themselves to put politician spin on such comments. Or would we look into what color hair the people participating in the survey had?

It does not mention anywhere that Sikhs or Hindus were polled. You only need an IQ of 15 to fathom that Sikhism or Hinduism are far more peaceful religions that integrate into western society far easier.

If people opposing Islam were simple far right white supremacists then they would be finding a way/spin to demonstrate outside Temples and Gurdwaras.
 

Jack

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Yes, the same ICM research which produced skewed results (as shown in the link I posted) and its methodology heavily criticised:


So they don't want to go along with the poll because it surveyed people living in areas where there are 20% Muslims? Why? That's reflective of many communities throughout Britain which are dominated by Muslims, so why should those opinions be disgarded? Do they not count because they choose to live in Muslim dominated areas or something?

It's a bizarre stance, unsurprising considering how scummy and manipulative the MCB is. By the way, if the MCB are going to be the defenders of British Muslims, should we also look at some of their stances and opinions of people high up in their ranks?

You say numbers don’t lie, but some the numbers you appear to be posting do lie. 1/10 Muslims you say condone honour killing, in a BBC poll. But conveniently fail to mention this poll was on British Asians only - which not only consisted of Hindus and Sikhs too, but it also eliminates the opinion of non- Asian Muslims (Africans, Arabs, Middle-eastern and white) that make up a great deal of the UK Muslim population. Which actually tells us what we already know - honour killings, which is fast becoming out-dated by the way, is mostly a South Asian problem (as opposed to a Muslim one).

Your opinions on us Muslims — based mostly on sensationalised headlines / articles — are a little off. And seeing as though you do have the ability to selectively scrutinise data and apply interpretation (as evident by your reply to Kraken above), I’d say it’s also slightly biased.
That's because the BBC, like a lot of the leftists in this country, will refuse to name Muslims specifically. They did it recently with the grooming scandals too, talking about how it was "British Asians committing mass rape in grooming gangs"....but was it? No, of course not. What percentage of the people involved were Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist etc.? I'd imagine well under 5%, so whilst the BBC won't specifically target Muslims, take it with a pinch of salt. Also look at the number of honour victims in this country and because it's disproportionately Muslim, then the true numbers are like 1/10 for "Asians" and a much higher number for Muslims. Just like in them cases, "Asian" is used for middle eastern or Arab people too, so that's not really a defence seeing as "Asian" is used as a broader term for people from all over Asia and not specifically Indian, Pakistani etc..
 
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