True Crime Deep Dive Thread.

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Must be a few true crime buffs here. We've had some good threads about the McCanns and DB Cooper along others, maybe we can get a general thread going.

Been listening to a couple of podcasts about the JonBenet Ramsay murder. I never really paid much attention to this one, turns out it's pretty interesting. Anyone have any theories/opinions? Was it Burke, or a random pedophile who saw JonBenet at pageants, stalked her, and murdered her?

I have no fucking clue. I'd lean towards the family, specifically either Patsy or Burke accidentally killing her and then the parents covering it up. Except that she was sexually violated, and I can't see either parent doing that as part of a coverup.

Anyone have any opinions on this case, or any others? Any famous cases that you find particularly fascinating or mysterious?

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I’ve was obsessed with the West Memphis 3 case for a long time. The films left a lot out so the deeper I got the more interesting it all became.
 

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I’ve was obsessed with the West Memphis 3 case for a long time. The films left a lot out so the deeper I got the more interesting it all became.
Ah, who do you accuse? I don't know who did it, but I struggle to see it being Echols and co. Not just because they're too unlikely a trio, but also just logistically. What do you make of it?

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Just finished reading a book by Prof. David Wilson. Used to be a prison governor, he's a regular on screens over here.

He went through all the usual - Jack the Ripper, Sutcliffe, Shipman, West etc.

Rather than focusing on the killer and what was going on in their heads, he focused on the victims and the times they lived in. Not a bad read putting a different spin on things.
 
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I've seen lots of shows about the Manson family killings, John Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Mafia killers like Roy Demeo, Albert Anastasia, Murder Inc., etc.

Investigation Discovery is a channel on cable that gets a lot of views from me since it deals with true crime perpetrators. Some are family men who are serial killers like Dennis Rader AKA "BTK" and Gary Ridgeway AKA "The Green River Killer" or the lone wolf type like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer.
 
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Ah, who do you accuse? I don't know who did it, but I struggle to see it being Echols and co. Not just because they're too unlikely a trio, but also just logistically. What do you make of it?

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I still think it’s the step dad Hobbs. I don’t think Echols or Baldwin we’re involved but I think the third one Jessie Miskelley was. My theory is that he was there with Hobbs when the murders happened and then out of fear of Hobbs changed the story up to include Echols and Baldwin.

That’s my personal theory but in general it’s just all a lot less clear than the films make it out to be. Of the 3 people I know who’ve done by far the most research on the case and formed that Callahan website with an exhaustive set of all the case info, 2 think it was Hobbs and 1 thinks it was Echols and company. Shows just how unclear it is when you actually look at all the info.
 

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Looked in the Jack the Ripper case and to be honest I was out of my depth. Best left to the professionals.
Most of those "professionals" are just babbling shit though, and tend to just assign guilt to whoever they want to be guilty. :lol:

For example, if someone is putting forward a member of the aristocracy as being Jack the Ripper, then they are a full of shit fantasist from the start, IMO. Because THAT shit makes no sense at all. :lol:

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Most of those "professionals" are just babbling shit though, and tend to just assign guilt to whoever they want to be guilty. :lol:

For example, if someone is putting forward a member of the aristocracy as being Jack the Ripper, then they are a full of shit fantasist from the start, IMO. Because THAT shit makes no sense at all. :lol:

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Yep, the amount of times I've listened to someone claim they know who the Ripper was due to them reading some half baked idea in a crap book by a con artist writer is quite significant.
 

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Yep, the amount of times I've listened to someone claim they know who the Ripper was due to them reading some half baked idea in a crap book by a con artist writer is quite significant.
Yeah any time someone claims he was a doctor or an aristocrat, you just gotta roll your eyes. Yeah, an aristocrat could blend in unnoticed in the worst slum in London. Sure sure. And a rich doctor would be dissembowelling a prostitute literally on the side of the street, in an slum area with a police patrol going past literally every 20 minutes. Righto........ :rolleyes

We'll never get it confirmed at this point. But of all the known suspects, IMO if it wasn't Kowolski then it was someone very like him. :thumbsup

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Yeah any time someone claims he was a doctor or an aristocrat, you just gotta roll your eyes. Yeah, an aristocrat could blend in unnoticed in the worst slum in London. Sure sure. And a rich doctor would be dissembowelling a prostitute literally on the side of the street, in an slum area with a police patrol going past literally every 20 minutes. Righto........ :rolleyes

We'll never get it confirmed at this point. But of all the known suspects, IMO if it wasn't Kowolski then it was someone very like him. :thumbsup

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You mean to tell me there wasn’t some tall wealthy man in a suit and a top hat sliding around the slums of London unnoticed disemboweling prostitutes?
 
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I've seen lots of shows about the Manson family killings, John Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Mafia killers like Roy Demeo, Albert Anastasia, Murder Inc., etc.

Investigation Discovery is a channel on cable that gets a lot of views from me since it deals with true crime perpetrators. Some are family men who are serial killers like Dennis Rader AKA "BTK" and Gary Ridgeway AKA "The Green River Killer" or the lone wolf type like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer.
A friend of mines dad used to live right across from the green river killer on their apartment complex. Said they used to hang out and go on double dates regularly and that he seemed like a completely regular guy.
 
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A friend of mines dad used to live right across from the green river killer on their apartment complex. Said they used to hang out and go on double dates regularly and that he seemed like a completely regular guy.
And that's exactly how these types get away with it for so long-------- they appear normal to most people they meet.

I watched a show about BTK and his daughter was the main person connected to his family that they interviewed. She, along with her mother and brother, had absolutely no clue he was doing what he had done all those years. He'd actually slip away from Boy Scout campouts that included his son in the middle of the night to go kill people and slip back in camp to continue on like he was perfectly normal-----and nobody had a clue.

Gary Ridgeway held his job with Kenworth painting trucks for decades and was married at the time of his capture. His coworkers and wife were shocked when he was arrested for all the killings he finally confessed to.

And look at all the people who came to the defense of Ted Bundy when he was arrested initially for his crimes. Law professors, politicians, fellow campaign workers he was affiliated with, educators, etc. all expressed disbelief that he could even be considered capable of those type crimes.
 

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A girl in our office was obsessed with murders, murderers and serial killers (a lot of women are tbh) and we would sometimes play podcasts in the office when it was quiet. She used to always put on these "My Favourite Murder" podcasts.

They're actually pretty enjoyable to listen to though.



Two LA girls called Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark and they seem to have a decent following.

I'd rib her for being a sick psychopath who was plotting to murder us all but then the postman came in and he was some murder / killer fanboy too and they'd rabbit on about what documentary or podcast they had watched that week.

Fuckin worried me they two...
 
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Most of those "professionals" are just babbling shit though, and tend to just assign guilt to whoever they want to be guilty. :lol:

For example, if someone is putting forward a member of the aristocracy as being Jack the Ripper, then they are a full of shit fantasist from the start, IMO. Because THAT shit makes no sense at all. :lol:

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i know virtually nothing about this but didnt the victims have surgical procedures with extremely neat and precise cuts?
you dont think some doctor might have done his lolly and gone trawling the slums for people of low morals?
again i know nothing apart from a doco i watched decades ago and have 95% forgotten. im just asking
 
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i know virtually nothing about this but didnt the victims have surgical procedures with extremely neat and precise cuts?
you dont think some doctor might have done his lolly and gone trawling the slums for people of low morals?
again i know nothing apart from a doco i watched decades ago and have 95% forgotten. im just asking

Almost any qualified butcher could do the same. Anatomy in animals they deal with on a daily basis is not unlike the human anatomy. It just looks different, but joints are joints, organs are organs and almost all mammals share the same physiological structural components.
 
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An Alaskan man was accused of rape based on DNA evidence extracted from the scene of the crime. The case would have been open and shut if not for one technicality -- the accused man was already in prison at the time.

After some careful detective work to figure out how the suspect was phantom-molesting people from his prison cell, they finally found the answer -- he'd previously received a bone marrow transplant from his brother, and his brother had actually committed the crime. The marrow transplant literally meant that his brother's DNA was floating around in his blood.



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ASOTIN - The man who allegedly stole a woman's wallet from a Clarkston convenience store says he didn't do it, despite video surveillance camera footage that appears to catch him in the act.

Michael Millhouse, 43, of Clarkston, was pictured twice on the Lewiston Tribune's front page Dec. 13 - painting Christmas greetings on the windows of a Lewiston business directly above a surveillance camera image from the Clarkston Zip Trip on Bridge Street.

The coincidence of the two pictures running one on top of the other led to Millhouse's arrest that morning in connection with the alleged theft.

According to a Clarkston Police Department report, an officer states that while Millhouse was at the counter of the store paying for coffee, cream soda and a meat stick with money in his own wallet, he snatched the woman's wallet.


The woman accidentally left the wallet, which she claimed contained $600 cash, three credit cards, her Social Security card and drivers' license.

Millhouse told police he brought the wallet to his Lewiston business and intended to return it, the report states, but had forgotten about it and was too busy.

Police recovered the wallet from Millhouse's business, police said, but the money was gone. The other contents were recovered.
 
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I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to the serial killer/murdering stuff, but this video's description of the torture Kelly Anne Bates went through shook me pretty good.





A SADIST who systematically tortured his 17-year-old girlfriend for up to a month before drowning her in the bath was jailed for a minimum of 20 years yesterday.

James Patterson Smith (49) was found guilty of murdering Kelly Anne Bates at the home they shared in Gorton, Greater Manchester.


He had gouged her eyes up to three weeks before her death and stabbed her in the face and body with scissors and forks.


A post-mortem examination revealed she had 150 separate injuries. She had a fractured arm, and had been scalded, branded with a domestic iron and partially scalped.



In the four weeks leading to her death she was kept a prisoner, rendered helpless after being blinded, she had been kept without food, tied by her hair to a radiator.
 
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I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to the serial killer/murdering stuff, but this video's description of the torture Kelly Anne Bates went through shook me pretty good.



well thats just put me off my tea...
 
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I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to the serial killer/murdering stuff, but this video's description of the torture Kelly Anne Bates went through shook me pretty good.



That fucker should never be released. Actually, justice would be to do to him what he did to that poor girl and let him feel the pain and suffering he perpetrated on his victim. With his history of violence against women and girls in his life, he really should never have been on the streets to begin with.

I also can't understand the parents allowing their then 16 yr. old daughter to live with a 40+ yr. old man in the first place. Looks like mom's intuition was right and I bet she regrets not stabbing him when they first met.
 
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