Trump 2020: Impeachment. Democrats step on their dicks, again.

Joe E

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*Last 3 films grossed $6m, $4.5m, and $150k.

He was relevant 20 years ago though, that is true.



It is truly pathetic how you braindead cultists all mindlessly parrot the exact same simple chants that you're assigned, over and over and over.

Even when Trump posts a sloppy typo because he's careless..... you mindless morons pick it up and run with it anyway. Dear Leader cannot make a mistake, right? Every single thing he says must be praised and repeated. Fucking idiots. Although "Liddle" is probably QAnon code referring to the sealed indictments that are just about to drop, right? Pathetic. :patsch

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It's truly pathetic how ass hurt you are over Trump is still your President. No obstruction. No collusion. No Quid Pro Quo.
 
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Joe E

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This'll excite the Rudder. The most qualified presidential candidate ever and the winner of the popular vote is keen on running again. Don't see how Rud can support Buttplug now that Hilldawg's back in the race.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/hillary-clinton-says-maybe-there-does-need-be-rematch-against-trump

Been talk of this for months. The Rudder will be in his cups and Trump will mop the floor up with her. In fact this will split the party.
 

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PENTAGON PAPERS WHISTLEBLOWER SAYS TRUMP IS A 'DOMESTIC ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION,' ENCOURAGES OTHERS TO COME FORWARD

BY JAMES WALKER ON 10/9/19 AT 5:01 AM EDT


The Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg has urged government employees concerned about Donald Trump's conduct to become whistleblowers.
Ellsberg told MSNBC show The Beat with Ari that President Trump was an "enemy of the Constitution" and said it was "not too late" for other people on the now-infamous Trump-Ukraine phone call to become whistleblowers.

The former defense analyst also said he believed the president was "calling for physical attack" against the Ukraine whistleblower, who Trump has called "close to a spy" after they raised concerns about his July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Ellsberg became one of the most famous whistleblowers in American history after he leaked the Pentagon Papers—secret documents revealing Defense Department lies to the American public about the Vietnam War.
His decision to hand the Pentagon Papers to the media was brought to the big screen in Oscar-nominated film The Post two years ago.
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Daniel Ellsberg, The Pentagon Papers whistleblower, at a press conference in the 1970s. He has called on more government employees to blow the whistle on the Trump-Ukraine scandal.HULTON ARCHIVE/GETTY
Speaking to host MSNBC host Ari Melber about advice he would give to government employees, Ellsberg said: "I'm absolutely sure, for one thing, the whistleblower revealed there were more than a dozen people on that call."

After describing President Trump as a "domestic enemy of the Constitution," Ellsberg added: "Every one of them should be a whistleblower now and it's not too late."
But he did note that blowing the whistle on Trump could prove to be risky, saying that he believed the president was "calling for physical attack" against the sole Ukraine whistleblower.
"He is calling for physical attack I would say. I think that's an impeachable offense or a criminal offense in itself," Ellsberg said.

The Pentagon Papers whistleblower also had a message for Democrats, urging them to keep the identity of the Ukraine whistleblower under wraps as they move ahead with the impeachment inquiry.

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"Even following the rules, to challenge a president for wrongdoing is not safe, either physically or legally, and I hope that the Democrats in Congress...will take every precaution to keep [her or his] identity secret," Vietnam Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg tells @AriMelber

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"I congratulate this whistleblower on the success that they've had so far in getting that information out, and on the courage that he showed or she showed in taking this on," Ellsberg told MSNBC.
"Even following the rules to challenge a president for wrongdoing is not safe, physically or legally and I hope that the Democrats in Congress, in the House, will take every precaution his identity or her identity secret from the president."
 

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How long do you want us to stay? We have been in combat in the ME for 18 years. It has cost this country somewhere around 6 trillion dollars (at least that is a number being tossed around). The USA does not need the ME, as we can be energy self-sufficient damn quickly if we want to. Why don't the countries that are dependent on ME energy do some of the "peacekeeping" instead of the USA?

While I see that the Kurds were useful against ISIS, they are hardly a long-term ally of the US. They have been fighting with the Turks and others in the ME off and on for a long time, since 1920, long before we were involved. They received money and equipment from the US. They have far more combat experience than the Turks. If they have some ATGMs and Stingers or Russian MANPADS, I am not so sure they are going to be slaughtered.
The point of being in combat in the ME for decades makes no sense since we will FOREVER be indebted to Saudi, Kuwaiti and other regional nations energy supplies and Israel's political influence. Why is another debate. But the point is that the international politics game isn't about who's relevant or useful today, but who can we invest in today that gives the home nation more bang for it's buck in the region. This is why the Russians and French to this day have a vastly disproportionate influence with Orthodox Slav's Central Asian nations and West Africa respectively. It's the exact reason why Russia today is punching above it's weight and NATO is on the backfoot and reassembling Divisions into Europe, when Russia just has local ethnic Russians in the Baltic, Ukraine and Othodox Slav supporters to offset NATO's might, mostly due to a broke and bankrupt post Soviet Russia sending troops to fight or protect it's allies now Russia's name is law. They will always help their friends, so I help Russia. When Russia or France say's it will fight to protect you, they do. And the bonus is fist dibs on business and mineral rights. It's the word and promise that cements future wars, and there will be plenty of conflict in the future. Now, the question is WHEN the next war happens that the US WILL be sucked into who will you trust? Because if the US has a history of abandoning it's allies time and time again who will stand by it's side? Because the US doesn't have the stomach to do it itself. Both Saudi Arabia and Turkey have actively worked against the west and supplied, funded and funnel ISIS recruits and troops, allowed oil tankers to cross it's territory and turned a blind eye. War isn't about convenience, it's about purpose, loyalty and a common goal.

With the ATGM and MANPAD's, it's only a viable concept with a reliable logistics chain, which with the US bug out means it wont happen. And with a vastly superior Army and Air Force it will be a slaughter if the Turks decided to. Which they have a repeated history of with Kurds. ATGM's wont stop NATO grade MRLS's and artillery, same with air fleets that have nothing lse to do but pummel but the Kurds. Same with their NATO trained conscript divisions. And we're missing the point of common loyalty. The Kurds fought OUR war. Their war was with Assad and Syria, they took on ISIS, fought in horrific battles, took city after city after city, often block by block to eradicate ISIS for the goal of autonomy and when they get it, we skulk off like cowards when...........actually, there isn't a good reason to let Turkey invade Syria, which has the right to defend it's borders. Cowards too have great reasons why they shouldn't help their friends too.

The Kurds are the hot girl that you keep fucking over for the skeezer you hope will change her ways, time and time again.
 
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The point of being in combat in the ME for decades makes no sense since we will FOREVER be indebted to Saudi, Kuwaiti and other regional nations energy supplies and Israel's political influence. Why is another debate. But the point is that the international politics game isn't about who's relevant or useful today, but who can we invest in today that gives the home nation more bang for it's buck in the region. This is why the Russians and French to this day have a vastly disproportionate influence with Orthodox Slav's Central Asian nations and West Africa respectively. It's the exact reason why Russia today is punching above it's weight and NATO is on the backfoot and reassembling Divisions into Europe, when Russia just has local ethnic Russians in the Baltic, Ukraine and Othodox Slav supporters to offset NATO's might, mostly due to a broke and bankrupt post Soviet Russia sending troops to fight or protect it's allies now Russia's name is law. They will always help their friends, so I help Russia. When Russia or France say's it will fight to protect you, they do. And the bonus is fist dibs on business and mineral rights. It's the word and promise that cements future wars, and there will be plenty of conflict in the future. Now, the question is WHEN the next war happens that the US WILL be sucked into who will you trust? Because if the US has a history of abandoning it's allies time and time again who will stand by it's side? Because the US doesn't have the stomach to do it itself. Both Saudi Arabia and Turkey have actively worked against the west and supplied, funded and funnel ISIS recruits and troops, allowed oil tankers to cross it's territory and turned a blind eye. War isn't about convenience, it's about purpose, loyalty and a common goal.

With the ATGM and MANPAD's, it's only a viable concept with a reliable logistics chain, which with the US bug out means it wont happen. And with a vastly superior Army and Air Force it will be a slaughter if the Turks decided to. Which they have a repeated history of with Kurds. ATGM's wont stop NATO grade MRLS's and artillery, same with air fleets that have nothing else to do but pummel but the Kurds. Same with their NATO trained conscript divisions. And we're missing the point of common loyalty. The Kurds OUR war. Their war was with Assad and Syria, they took on ISIS, fought in horrific battles, took city after city after city, often block by block to eradicate ISIS for the goal of autonomy and when they get it, we skulk off like cowards when...........actually, there isn't a good reason to let Turkey invade Syria. Cowards too have great reasons why they shoudn't help their friends too.

The Kurds are the hot girl that you keep fucking over for the skeezer you hope will change her ways, time and time again.
I’ve got no understanding at all of what’s going on with the Kurds and Turks. But that seems like a good post
 
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The point of being in combat in the ME for decades makes no sense since we will FOREVER be indebted to Saudi, Kuwaiti and other regional nations energy supplies and Israel's political influence. Why is another debate. But the point is that the international politics game isn't about who's relevant or useful today, but who can we invest in today that gives the home nation more bang for it's buck in the region. This is why the Russians and French to this day have a vastly disproportionate influence with Orthodox Slav's Central Asian nations and West Africa respectively. It's the exact reason why Russia today is punching above it's weight and NATO is on the backfoot and reassembling Divisions into Europe, when Russia just has local ethnic Russians in the Baltic, Ukraine and Othodox Slav supporters to offset NATO's might, mostly due to a broke and bankrupt post Soviet Russia sending troops to fight or protect it's allies now Russia's name is law. They will always help their friends, so I help Russia. When Russia or France say's it will fight to protect you, they do. And the bonus is fist dibs on business and mineral rights. It's the word and promise that cements future wars, and there will be plenty of conflict in the future. Now, the question is WHEN the next war happens that the US WILL be sucked into who will you trust? Because if the US has a history of abandoning it's allies time and time again who will stand by it's side? Because the US doesn't have the stomach to do it itself. Both Saudi Arabia and Turkey have actively worked against the west and supplied, funded and funnel ISIS recruits and troops, allowed oil tankers to cross it's territory and turned a blind eye. War isn't about convenience, it's about purpose, loyalty and a common goal.

With the ATGM and MANPAD's, it's only a viable concept with a reliable logistics chain, which with the US bug out means it wont happen. And with a vastly superior Army and Air Force it will be a slaughter if the Turks decided to. Which they have a repeated history of with Kurds. ATGM's wont stop NATO grade MRLS's and artillery, same with air fleets that have nothing else to do but pummel but the Kurds. Same with their NATO trained conscript divisions. And we're missing the point of common loyalty. The Kurds OUR war. Their war was with Assad and Syria, they took on ISIS, fought in horrific battles, took city after city after city, often block by block to eradicate ISIS for the goal of autonomy and when they get it, we skulk off like cowards when...........actually, there isn't a good reason to let Turkey invade Syria. Cowards too have great reasons why they shoudn't help their friends too.

The Kurds are the hot girl that you keep fucking over for the skeezer you hope will change her ways, time and time again.
We have "invested" trillions, been there for just short of a couple of decades, and the ME is still a mess. Nobody has an exit strategy or even a definition of victory. When do you quit throwing money and lives down the rathole?

The Kurds are not a major US ally and never have been. In fact, the PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by the US Government. "The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, and the European Union. " They are, in fact, an enemy of our NATO ally Turkey, which really complicates things further. If we drive Turkey out of NATO, the other NATO nations will lose their collective shit, and NATO will end as a force to reckon with. That is not desirable with a resurgent Russia trying to act like a superpower.

And as far as Puting being such a trustworthy guy, that is laughable. Putin (rightly, in my view) will do what he perceives as best for Russia and Putin.

Someone else needs to pick up the slack. We have spent more money in trying to fix the ME than everyone else in the West COMBINED, and the people here are sick of it. Trump's promise to get us out of this quagmire is one of the reasons he was elected. He campaigned on it, so this is not exactly a surprise.

We as a nation are just about done with being the world's policeman, which the rest of the civilized world alternately hates us for, and hates us for trying to not be. Fuck all the ungrateful nations, let THEM defend the ME for their energy supplies. Let THEM pay trillions and lose thousands of lives. Guess what? None will do it. They are all hypocrites complaining about US warmongering, and then when we try to stop, they complain about that too. We have our own energy reserves, fuck them all. The US taxpayer is done financing the security of the West which refuses to do anything except complain. Time for the USA to become isolationist.
 
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I’ve got no understanding at all of what’s going on with the Kurds and Turks. But that seems like a good post
Except that it does not address the following:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, and the European Union.
 
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