Trump 2020: Impeachment. Democrats step on their dicks, again.

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We have "invested" trillions, been there for just short of a couple of decades, and the ME is still a mess. Nobody has an exit strategy or even a definition of victory. When do you quit throwing money and lives down the rathole?
When has war had a endgame with a current enemy, not a defeated enemy? You do realize you're helping my argument of having a perpetual ally, right?

The Kurds are not a major US ally and never have been. In fact, the PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by the US Government. "The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, and the European Union. " They are, in fact, an enemy of our NATO ally Turkey, which really complicates things further. If we drive Turkey out of NATO, the other NATO nations will lose their collective shit, and NATO will end as a force to reckon with. That is not desirable with a resurgent Russia trying to act like a superpower.
The Kurds have been a stable ally for the US for generations, just they never had a homeland you can drill oil in. Check out the Gulf War. Now, the Kurds in Syria are the PRK and Iraqi Peshmurga, Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, not Turkish Kurds which is the PKK. And yeah, you'll say they're all the same. But by your own finely quoted UN post the PRK are not a terrorist organization. You know who was? The Sinn Fein, the political arm of the IRA. Killed more British/NATO troops than any Middle Eastern or Communist terrorist groups combined. They still got invited to the White House every St Patrick's day. But that's cool, right????

And as far as Puting being such a trustworthy guy, that is laughable. Putin (rightly, in my view) will do what he perceives as best for Russia and Putin.
Who said Putin?I never did. Seriously, in your mind Russia and the Soviet Union is Putin? Russia post Soviet Union (that means when the Soviet Union ended and was Federalist Russia in 1991) has been consistent. The US..............I would talk battle maneuvers with you but pointless really. Question? What's the cost in having a brand new ally force in the region that we are not indebted to? Who are they? Do they have a fighting culture to precipitate training? What's the cost? Trillions over 50 odd years maybe??

Someone else needs to pick up the slack. We have spent more money in trying to fix the ME than everyone else in the West COMBINED, and the people here are sick of it. Trump's promise to get us out of this quagmire is one of the reasons he was elected. He campaigned on it, so this is not exactly a surprise.
We as a nation are just about done with being the world's policeman, which the rest of the civilized world alternately hates us for, and hates us for trying to not be. Fuck all the ungrateful nations, let THEM defend the ME for their energy supplies. Let THEM pay trillions and lose thousands of lives. Guess what? None will do it. They are all hypocrites complaining about US warmongering, and then when we try to stop, they complain about that too. We have our own energy reserves, fuck them all. The US taxpayer is done financing the security of the West which refuses to do anything except complain. Time for the USA to become isolationist.[/QUOTE]

I'm sad you're tired for being tired. Me and my generation enlisted into this perpetual war, but you're sad. America the the Soviet Union created the slack in the first place and in all fairness the Russians have done their part. The money the US spends clearly isn't going no where it's needed or why it should even be paid. What you're missing is that the US has been locked into the Middle East since the Yom Kippur war and it will never be allowed to leave. Even when the US is bored and has transgender toilets to debate and Football Season has started. You wanted to be the ''block bully'' of the world, well, this is the cost outside of Rocky 4 and The Wolverines. It's perpetual warfare for perpetual hegemony in the region the US values so dearly. The US killed Saddam when he wasn't useful, which lead to ISIS, which lead to the Syrian Civil War. Which the US created on the stacks of millions of bodies during the back and forth cold war then, tough. You're top dog now. You created it. Captain the ship you wanted to dominated the seven seas already thought feeling so, so sad. Man the helm, dock home. make a choice
 
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When has war had a endgame with a current enemy, not a defeated enemy? You do realize you're helping my argument of having a perpetual ally, right?



The Kurds have been a stable ally for the US for generations, just they never had a homeland you can drill oil in. Check out the Gulf War. Now, the Kurds in Syria are the PRK and Iraqi Peshmurga, Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, not Turkish Kurds which is the PKK. And yeah, you'll say they're all the same. But by your own finely quoted UN post the PRK are not a terrorist organization. You know who was? The Sinn Fein, the political arm of the IRA. Killed more British/NATO troops than any Middle Eastern or Communist terrorist groups combined. They still got invited to the White House every St Patrick's day. But that's cool, right????


Who said Putin?I never did. Seriously, in your mind Russia and the Soviet Union is Putin? Russia post Soviet Union (that means when the Soviet Union ended and was Federalist Russia in 1991) has been consistent. The US..............I would talk battle maneuvers with you but pointless really. Question? What's the cost in having a brand new ally force in the region that we are not indebted to? Who are they? Do they have a fighting culture to precipitate training? What's the cost? Trillions over 50 odd years maybe??


We as a nation are just about done with being the world's policeman, which the rest of the civilized world alternately hates us for, and hates us for trying to not be. Fuck all the ungrateful nations, let THEM defend the ME for their energy supplies. Let THEM pay trillions and lose thousands of lives. Guess what? None will do it. They are all hypocrites complaining about US warmongering, and then when we try to stop, they complain about that too. We have our own energy reserves, fuck them all. The US taxpayer is done financing the security of the West which refuses to do anything except complain. Time for the USA to become isolationist.
I'm sad you're tired for being tired. Me and my generation enlisted into this perpetual war, but you're sad. America the the Soviet Union created the slack in the first place and in all fairness the Russians have done their part. The money the US spends clearly isn't going no where it's needed or why it should even be paid. What you're missing is that the US has been locked into the Middle East since the Yom Kippur war and it will never be allowed to leave. Even when the US is bored and has transgender toilets to debate and Football Season has started. You wanted to be the ''block bully'' of the world, well, this is the cost outside of Rocky 4 and The Wolverines. It's perpetual warfare for perpetual hegemony in the region the US values so dearly. The US killed Saddam when he wasn't useful, which lead to ISIS, which lead to the Syrian Civil War. Which the US created on the stacks of millions of bodies during the back and forth cold war then, tough. You're top dog now. You created it. Captain the ship you wanted to dominated the seven seas already thought feeling so, so sad. Man the helm, dock home. make a choice
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Nuanced break down.


Doesn't matter though...since Trump did it he supports it.

Not any more complicated than that.


Edit: not sure why the quote did that.
 

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So Trump's actual legal defence - for real - is that a President can not be investigated by anybody, at any time, for anything. He is totally and completely exempt from any and all oversight or accountability, end of story. Like a king.

Oh, and the impeachment process which is framed in the Constitution, is unconstitutional.

Drain the Swamp, right? Fuckin' idiots. :sad

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Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment
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Just over half of voters want President Trumpimpeached and removed from office, according to a Fox News Poll released Wednesday.
A new high of 51 percent wants Trump impeached and removed from office, another 4 percent want him impeached but not removed, and 40 percent oppose impeachment altogether. In July, 42 percent favored impeachment and removal, while 5 percent said impeach but don’t remove him, and 45 percent opposed impeachment.
Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans, and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10).
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Among voters in swing counties (where Hillary Clinton and Trump were within 10 points in 2016), support for impeachment increased to 52 percent, up from 42 percent in July.
A lot has happened since the July Fox poll on impeachment -- namely, the launch of an impeachment inquiry in the House following allegations Trump improperly pressured Ukraine to investigate the Bidens’ dealings in that country. The 9-point increase in support for impeachment since July, however, doesn’t appear to be based solely on the latest allegations. To that point, more Democrats favor impeaching Trump (85 percent) than consider his call with Ukraine’s president an impeachable offense (76 percent). The same holds true among independents: 39 percent favor impeachment, while 30 percent describe the Ukraine call as impeachable.
The 4-in-10 voters opposing impeachment give a variety of reasons, including: Trump did nothing wrong (21 percent), it is politically motivated (20 percent), and don’t believe allegations (15 percent).
Approval of Trump’s job performance is down a couple points to 43 percent, while 55 percent disapprove. Last month, it was 45-54 percent. Currently, 86 percent of Republicans approve compared to 89 percent in September.
Some 51 percent of voters think the Trump administration is more corrupt than previous administrations, up from 46 percent last month.
By a 66-25 percent margin, voters say it is generally inappropriate for Trump to ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals.
When asked about Trump’s phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart that is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, 17 percent believe it was appropriate. Most either describe it as an impeachable offense (43 percent) or as inappropriate but not impeachable (27 percent).
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Trump has called the Ukraine phone call “perfect.” Even some Republicans aren’t convinced: 9 percent say it was an impeachable offense, 38 percent inappropriate but not impeachable, and 36 percent appropriate.
Overall, by an 11-point margin, more voters believe Trump is “getting what he deserves” rather than that the impeachment inquiry is driven by “people out to get him.”
During President Bill Clinton’s 1998 impeachment, by a 3-point margin, more thought “people were out to get” him than believed Clinton was “getting what he deserved.”
Meanwhile, voters think President Trump is just out for himself. Fifty-five percent overall and 18 percent of Republicans say he is doing what’s best for Trump. Thirty-nine percent think he puts the country first.
Thirty-eight percent find the situation surrounding Trump’s dealings with Ukraine extremely troubling, while 19 percent say the same about the allegations about Biden and his son’s business dealings in Ukraine.
Washington leaders remain unpopular
Negative views outnumber positive views for the impeachment players.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s personal favorability rating is under water by 6 points (42 percent favorable vs. 48 percent unfavorable). Still, that’s a new high, and gives her the highest favorable rating of Capitol Hill leadership tested in the poll.
House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) is also viewed more negatively than positively by 6 points (27-33), although 4 voters in 10 are unable to rate him.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is in negative territory by 23 points (26-49) and 25 percent can’t rate him. Voters have a negative view of both Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani by 22 points (31-53) and Attorney General William Barr by 14 points (24-38).
Trump’s popularity ticked up a point since the inquiry: 43-56 percent vs. 42-56 percent in August.
Hillary Clinton’s ratings roughly match Trump’s: 41 percent favorable, 54 percent unfavorable. The previous Fox News poll showed her at 40-57 percent in June 2017.
Vice President Mike Pence stands at 40-49 percent compared to 39-48 percent two months ago.
Trump has an 84 percent favorable among Republicans compared to 70 percent for Pence and 43 percent for McConnell, while 69 percent of Democrats have a favorable view of Pelosi.
More have a positive rather than a negative view of the Democratic Party by 2 points (49 favorable vs. 47 unfavorable), while the Republican Party is under water by 15 (40-55). Part of that is explained by more Democrats (85 percent favorable) viewing their party positively than Republicans do theirs (79 percent favorable).
Voters are inclined to see the motives of Republican lawmakers as more political. By a 3-point margin, more think congressional Democrats truly believe Trump committed an impeachable offense than say Democrats just want to hurt him politically.
On the other side, by a 23-point margin, more think congressional Republicans just want to protect Trump politically than say GOP lawmakers sincerely believe what he did is not impeachable.
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Overall, voters remain dissatisfied with the job Congress is doing: 21 percent approve, while 63 percent disapprove. In May, it was 21-66 percent.
Conducted October 6-8, 2019 under the joint direction of Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company (R), this Fox News Poll includes interviews with 1,003 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide who spoke with live interviewers on both landlines and cellphones. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.
 

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Just over half of voters want President Trumpimpeached and removed from office, according to a Fox News Poll released Wednesday.
A new high of 51 percent wants Trump impeached and removed from office, another 4 percent want him impeached but not removed, and 40 percent oppose impeachment altogether. In July, 42 percent favored impeachment and removal, while 5 percent said impeach but don’t remove him, and 45 percent opposed impeachment.
Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans, and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10).
CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS
Among voters in swing counties (where Hillary Clinton and Trump were within 10 points in 2016), support for impeachment increased to 52 percent, up from 42 percent in July.
A lot has happened since the July Fox poll on impeachment -- namely, the launch of an impeachment inquiry in the House following allegations Trump improperly pressured Ukraine to investigate the Bidens’ dealings in that country. The 9-point increase in support for impeachment since July, however, doesn’t appear to be based solely on the latest allegations. To that point, more Democrats favor impeaching Trump (85 percent) than consider his call with Ukraine’s president an impeachable offense (76 percent). The same holds true among independents: 39 percent favor impeachment, while 30 percent describe the Ukraine call as impeachable.
The 4-in-10 voters opposing impeachment give a variety of reasons, including: Trump did nothing wrong (21 percent), it is politically motivated (20 percent), and don’t believe allegations (15 percent).
Approval of Trump’s job performance is down a couple points to 43 percent, while 55 percent disapprove. Last month, it was 45-54 percent. Currently, 86 percent of Republicans approve compared to 89 percent in September.
Some 51 percent of voters think the Trump administration is more corrupt than previous administrations, up from 46 percent last month.
By a 66-25 percent margin, voters say it is generally inappropriate for Trump to ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals.
When asked about Trump’s phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart that is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, 17 percent believe it was appropriate. Most either describe it as an impeachable offense (43 percent) or as inappropriate but not impeachable (27 percent).
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Trump has called the Ukraine phone call “perfect.” Even some Republicans aren’t convinced: 9 percent say it was an impeachable offense, 38 percent inappropriate but not impeachable, and 36 percent appropriate.
Overall, by an 11-point margin, more voters believe Trump is “getting what he deserves” rather than that the impeachment inquiry is driven by “people out to get him.”
During President Bill Clinton’s 1998 impeachment, by a 3-point margin, more thought “people were out to get” him than believed Clinton was “getting what he deserved.”
Meanwhile, voters think President Trump is just out for himself. Fifty-five percent overall and 18 percent of Republicans say he is doing what’s best for Trump. Thirty-nine percent think he puts the country first.
Thirty-eight percent find the situation surrounding Trump’s dealings with Ukraine extremely troubling, while 19 percent say the same about the allegations about Biden and his son’s business dealings in Ukraine.
Washington leaders remain unpopular
Negative views outnumber positive views for the impeachment players.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s personal favorability rating is under water by 6 points (42 percent favorable vs. 48 percent unfavorable). Still, that’s a new high, and gives her the highest favorable rating of Capitol Hill leadership tested in the poll.
House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) is also viewed more negatively than positively by 6 points (27-33), although 4 voters in 10 are unable to rate him.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is in negative territory by 23 points (26-49) and 25 percent can’t rate him. Voters have a negative view of both Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani by 22 points (31-53) and Attorney General William Barr by 14 points (24-38).
Trump’s popularity ticked up a point since the inquiry: 43-56 percent vs. 42-56 percent in August.
Hillary Clinton’s ratings roughly match Trump’s: 41 percent favorable, 54 percent unfavorable. The previous Fox News poll showed her at 40-57 percent in June 2017.
Vice President Mike Pence stands at 40-49 percent compared to 39-48 percent two months ago.
Trump has an 84 percent favorable among Republicans compared to 70 percent for Pence and 43 percent for McConnell, while 69 percent of Democrats have a favorable view of Pelosi.
More have a positive rather than a negative view of the Democratic Party by 2 points (49 favorable vs. 47 unfavorable), while the Republican Party is under water by 15 (40-55). Part of that is explained by more Democrats (85 percent favorable) viewing their party positively than Republicans do theirs (79 percent favorable).
Voters are inclined to see the motives of Republican lawmakers as more political. By a 3-point margin, more think congressional Democrats truly believe Trump committed an impeachable offense than say Democrats just want to hurt him politically.
On the other side, by a 23-point margin, more think congressional Republicans just want to protect Trump politically than say GOP lawmakers sincerely believe what he did is not impeachable.
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Overall, voters remain dissatisfied with the job Congress is doing: 21 percent approve, while 63 percent disapprove. In May, it was 21-66 percent.
Conducted October 6-8, 2019 under the joint direction of Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company (R), this Fox News Poll includes interviews with 1,003 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide who spoke with live interviewers on both landlines and cellphones. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.
At least clean up the formatting of your spam article posts so we can read the text without our eyes bleeding, for fucks sakes.

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So fucking Elizabeth Warren is now the frontrunner. Weirdly enough, I got it down right that only Bernie and Biden would be the last two standing. I just wasn't expecting Warren to be in the mix. Seems Bernie tanked after that heart attack on Real Clear Politics.

I think you'll get a real separation after New Hampshire. If Bernie doesn't win New Hampshire, I think you can put a fork in his campaign. By the way, South Carolina is still super Biden. Not a good sign for anyone else. If Biden sweeps up the South like Hillary did, I think he's nailed the nomination.
 
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When has war had a endgame with a current enemy, not a defeated enemy? You do realize you're helping my argument of having a perpetual ally, right?



The Kurds have been a stable ally for the US for generations, just they never had a homeland you can drill oil in. Check out the Gulf War. Now, the Kurds in Syria are the PRK and Iraqi Peshmurga, Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, not Turkish Kurds which is the PKK. And yeah, you'll say they're all the same. But by your own finely quoted UN post the PRK are not a terrorist organization. You know who was? The Sinn Fein, the political arm of the IRA. Killed more British/NATO troops than any Middle Eastern or Communist terrorist groups combined. They still got invited to the White House every St Patrick's day. But that's cool, right????


Who said Putin?I never did. Seriously, in your mind Russia and the Soviet Union is Putin? Russia post Soviet Union (that means when the Soviet Union ended and was Federalist Russia in 1991) has been consistent. The US..............I would talk battle maneuvers with you but pointless really. Question? What's the cost in having a brand new ally force in the region that we are not indebted to? Who are they? Do they have a fighting culture to precipitate training? What's the cost? Trillions over 50 odd years maybe??


We as a nation are just about done with being the world's policeman, which the rest of the civilized world alternately hates us for, and hates us for trying to not be. Fuck all the ungrateful nations, let THEM defend the ME for their energy supplies. Let THEM pay trillions and lose thousands of lives. Guess what? None will do it. They are all hypocrites complaining about US warmongering, and then when we try to stop, they complain about that too. We have our own energy reserves, fuck them all. The US taxpayer is done financing the security of the West which refuses to do anything except complain. Time for the USA to become isolationist.
I'm sad you're tired for being tired. Me and my generation enlisted into this perpetual war, but you're sad. America the the Soviet Union created the slack in the first place and in all fairness the Russians have done their part. The money the US spends clearly isn't going no where it's needed or why it should even be paid. What you're missing is that the US has been locked into the Middle East since the Yom Kippur war and it will never be allowed to leave. Even when the US is bored and has transgender toilets to debate and Football Season has started. You wanted to be the ''block bully'' of the world, well, this is the cost outside of Rocky 4 and The Wolverines. It's perpetual warfare for perpetual hegemony in the region the US values so dearly. The US killed Saddam when he wasn't useful, which lead to ISIS, which lead to the Syrian Civil War. Which the US created on the stacks of millions of bodies during the back and forth cold war then, tough. You're top dog now. You created it. Captain the ship you wanted to dominated the seven seas already thought feeling so, so sad. Man the helm, dock home. make a choice
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We will have to agree to disagree. When I read that we will never be "allowed" to disengage from the ME and that the Kurds have been a stable ally for the US for generations, I quit reading. They are not and never have been an important or major ally. Most Americans didn't know who they are, or where they are, until recently. The communist influenced PKK would never have been made a close ally here, especially "generations" ago, when the USA was in the whole "Red Menace" hysteria.

Anyway, like I said, I think we have to agree to disagree. I do appreciate the civil tone of the discussion, it seems at times that is hard to get on here when disagreements are in the air. :good
 

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I'm sad you're tired for being tired. Me and my generation enlisted into this perpetual war, but you're sad. America the the Soviet Union created the slack in the first place and in all fairness the Russians have done their part. The money the US spends clearly isn't going no where it's needed or why it should even be paid. What you're missing is that the US has been locked into the Middle East since the Yom Kippur war and it will never be allowed to leave. Even when the US is bored and has transgender toilets to debate and Football Season has started. You wanted to be the ''block bully'' of the world, well, this is the cost outside of Rocky 4 and The Wolverines. It's perpetual warfare for perpetual hegemony in the region the US values so dearly. The US killed Saddam when he wasn't useful, which lead to ISIS, which lead to the Syrian Civil War. Which the US created on the stacks of millions of bodies during the back and forth cold war then, tough. You're top dog now. You created it. Captain the ship you wanted to dominated the seven seas already thought feeling so, so sad. Man the helm, dock home. make a choice
We will have to agree to disagree. When I read that we will never be "allowed" to disengage from the ME and that the Kurds have been a stable ally for the US for generations, I quit reading. They are not and never have been an important or major ally. Most Americans didn't know who they are, or where they are, until recently. The communist influenced PKK would never have been made a close ally here, especially "generations" ago, when the USA was in the whole "Red Menace" hysteria.

Anyway, like I said, I think we have to agree to disagree. I do appreciate the civil tone of the discussion, it seems at times that is hard to get on here when disagreements are in the air. :good
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Nice cut and run Major POG
 
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Two Men Who Worked With Rudy Giuliani To Dig Up Dirt On Biden Have Been Arrested
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are in custody, a spokesperson for the US attorney's office in Manhattan has confirmed.

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Last updated on October 10, 2019, at 11:21 a.m. ET
Posted on October 10, 2019, at 10:22 a.m. ET


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Rudy Giuliani (left) with Lev Parnas at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, on September 20, 2019.

WASHINGTON — Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two key subjects in House Democrats' impeachment inquiry who worked with Rudy Giuliani in an effort to gather damaging information about Joe Biden, have been arrested, a spokesperson for the US attorney's office in Manhattan confirmed Thursday morning.
The two men were charged with conspiring to get around federal laws that prohibit foreign nationals from contributing to US campaigns, according to the indictment, which was first published by the New York Times. They're accused of entering into "secret agreements" to hide the scheme from candidates and federal regulators, laundering foreign money into the campaigns through various corporate identities, and using "straw donors" to make the contributions.
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The indictment does not name Giuliani or President Donald Trump, and doesn't directly refer to the efforts that Parnas told BuzzFeed News he and Fruman engaged in to convince Ukrainian prosecutors to probe unsubstantiated claims that Biden improperly used his position as vice president to interfere with a Ukrainian investigation related to a company where Biden's son Hunter Biden sat on the board. The charging papers did say that at one point they had lobbied a then-sitting member of Congress at the request of "one or more Ukrainian officials."
Giuliani declined to comment.
 
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