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Oh, I agree 100%

I'm kind of sick and tired of Bill Maher for the most part. sometimes he will go after the SJWs and fundamentalist Islam but otherwise he is just a generic liberal.

Occasionally he will get it right but most of the time he is kind of boring and predictable. He also covers for the establishment Democrats quite a bit.

This was a funny moment though :lol:

and yeah, that clip was funny but that's back when the show used to be good, the show probably really sucks now since it's all in webcam format
 
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It's interesting to hear this stuff about Boston.... Very weird to hear about the hate between the Irish and Italians..... Irish and Italians pretty much go hand and hand here in Philly. Also, I was always under the impression you had a large Puerto Rican population like NY and Philly...... Was it in fact the Portuguese I was mistaking them for?

Basically from the Movies I know South Boston is the Irish side of town and Roxburry is the black part of town...Are most of your black and hispanic neighborhoods outside the city proper?

Sorry to ask to many questions but Boston is very fascinating to me especially being pretty much the #3 city up here in the North and it almost sounds worlds apart from Philly and NY.
the metro area itself has a fair sized latino population.............mostly puerto ricans

the 'north end' is the old italian neighborhoods...........Southie the irish...........Beacon Hill the bluebloods.........

Boston also has a HUGE fucking student population because of all the colleges...........MIT,Harvard,BC,BU etc..........

Roxburry is indeed the 'black' area.............

Anyway,the 'original' settlers were english and so they,and to a lesser extent the 'french' sat/sit at the 'top' of the pyramid.............organized in a sort of 'who got here when' way.........and they looked down on the later irish immigrants....who looked down on the eastern euros like the polish...........who looked down on the later italians and other souther euros,who looked down on the black and brown folks and so on............

The split between catholic and protestant was also quite stark.............the original settlers were,of course,protestants fleeing religious persecution so,as soon as they got here,they began persecuting anyone not like them and,when the catholics began arriving,them too...........

This stratification isnt near as bad as it was 100 years ago........or 50...........but it still exists to some degree............as a kid the 'racism' I was most exposed to was 'white' people hating on other white people..........folks aint 'christian' like here in the south,they are very specific about what protestant church or they are 'catholic' or jewish..........the blueblood types make guinea and polack jokes,not 'n*gger' jokes...........gang fights between italians and the irish used to be common.........or just fights..........as one gets out into the metro area/suburbs shit gets whiter and whiter until,outside the 95 beltway ya hit peak New England NH/Vermont/Maine levels of 'white' [literally well over 90%] so the vast majority of new englanders still live in a snow white environment where some of the old hate on other whites stuff still exists......................

that said Bostonians hate on ANYONE from NY,for instance...........

as the worlds shrunk,through mass media and whatnot,its gotten a lot less 'racist' but there are still deep echoes of it.............and obvious odd things like the lack of catholic churches outside the metro areas,for instance.............

all that said,the 'openness' and brutality of the old school new englandy racism was never,imho,as bad as what goes on in places down here in the south,even now to some extent.........

new england really was and still is an insular bit of the country............not a lot of people move TO there...........yer born there and maybe move AWAY..........

DOnt know if any of this disjointed stuff helps :lol:
 
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Ever see The Departed?

Boston was the last area to really have a Irish Mob.


So obviously they would compete with Italians and that would lead to a more broad based ethnic resentment.
sorta the reverse....................the existing 'racial resentment' was what led to the whole irish/italian mob thing lasting so long..........traditions die hard in Boston.............
 

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I see you @Duo

help me out here,yer better with the social commentary essays,eh?

im just a Cambridge/Swampscott country club beach town snob type..................and that kind looks down their noses at pretty much everyone outside the bluebloods and brahmins.................
 

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Donald J. Trump, 2007 (perhaps it's safe to say he'd have likewise fired a black contestant who also self referred with a racial slur, or a female contestant who called herself a slut/skank):

lol

i've never seen that before
 

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the metro area itself has a fair sized latino population.............mostly puerto ricans

the 'north end' is the old italian neighborhoods...........Southie the irish...........Beacon Hill the bluebloods.........

Boston also has a HUGE fucking student population because of all the colleges...........MIT,Harvard,BC,BU etc..........

Roxburry is indeed the 'black' area.............

Anyway,the 'original' settlers were english and so they,and to a lesser extent the 'french' sat/sit at the 'top' of the pyramid.............organized in a sort of 'who got here when' way.........and they looked down on the later irish immigrants....who looked down on the eastern euros like the polish...........who looked down on the later italians and other souther euros,who looked down on the black and brown folks and so in............

The split between catholic and protestant was also quite stark.............the original settlers were,of course,protestants fleeing religious persecution so,as soon as they got here,they began persecuting anyone not like them and,when the catholics began arriving,them too...........

This stratification isnt near as bad as it was 100 years ago........or 50...........but it still exists to some degree............as a kid the 'racism' I was most exposed to was 'white' people hating on other white people..........folks aint 'christian' like here in the south,they are very specific about what protestant church or they are 'catholic' or jewish..........the blueblood types make guinea and polack jokes,not 'n*gger' jokes...........gang fights between italians and the irish used to be common.........or just fights..........as one gets out into the metro area/suburbs shit gets whiter and whiter until,outside the 95 beltway ya hit peak New England NH/Vermont/Maine levels of 'white' [literally well over 90%] so the vast majority of new englanders still live in a snow white environment where some of the old hate on other whites stuff still exists......................

that said Bostonians hate on ANYONE from NY,for instance...........

as the worlds shrunk,through mass media and whatnot,its gotten a lot less 'racist' but there are still deep echoes of it.............and obvious odd things like the lack of catholic churches outside the metro areas,for instance.............

all that said,the 'openness' and brutality of the old school new englandy racism was never,imho,as bad as what goes on in places down here in the south,even now to some extent.........

new england really was and still is an insular bit of the country............not a lot of people move TO there...........yer born there and maybe move AWAY..........

DOnt know if any of this disjointed stuff helps :lol:
As recently as the late 1980's, arguments between Irish Catholic advocates of Jameson's Irish Whiskey and Protestant Old Bushmills could still result in fights, as nearly happened between a Catholic and Protestant student when I was attending the original Boston Bartender's School on Boylston Street (the late founder Bill Green was actually one of my instructors).

We were advised that the biggest celebration of the year in Boston was not New Year's, Christmas or Thanksgiving, but Catholic Saint Paddy's Day, and that the absolute worst faux pas possible would be to serve an Irish Coffee with Old Bushmills instead of Jameson's. (In fact, many Boston bars didn't even offer Old Bushmills. I didn't care, as my drink was/is Dubonnet Rouge with a lemon twist and side of ice for nursing that aperitif.)

A couple of local restaurants offer Dubonnet now only because of me, poured out of dusty bottles. I'm assumed to be a blueblood by some older schooled bartenders when they receive my order. I have two girlfriends [distant cousins descended from Mayflower passengers descended from Norman conquerors of England in 1066] who are actually are both bluebloods AND trained bartenders, well familiar with this Jameson's vs Bushmills rift. Both actually prefer Cosmos themselves.)
 
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As recently as the late 1980's, arguments between Irish Catholic advocates of Jameson's Irish Whiskey and Protestant Old Bushmills could still result in fights, as nearly happened between a Catholic and Protestant student when I was attending the original Boston Bartender's School on Boylston Street (the late founder Bill Green was actually one of my instructors).

We were advised that the biggest celebration of the year in Boston was not New Year's, Christmas or Thanksgiving, but Catholic Saint Paddy's Day, and that the absolute worst faux pas possible would be to serve an Irish Coffee with Old Bushmills instead of Jameson's. (In fact, many Boston bars didn't even offer Old Bushmills. I didn't care, as my drink was/is Dubonnet Rouge with a lemon twist and side of ice for nursing that aperitif.)

A couple of local restaurants offer Dubonnet now only because of me, poured out of dusty bottles. I'm assumed to be a blueblood by some older schooled bartenders when they receive my order. I have two girlfriends [distant cousins descended from Mayflower passengers descended from Norman conquerors of England in 1066] who are actually are both bluebloods AND trained bartenders, well familiar with this Jameson's vs Bushmills rift. Both actually prefer Cosmos themselves.)
brilliant little nugget :lol:

as a kid in the 80s all the old school stuff still deeply permeated the atmosphere.............Boston was as insular as an island and it was possible to regard the rest of the nation,outside new england,as 'foreign'............
 
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help me out here,yer better with the social commentary essays,eh?

im just a Cambridge/Swampscott country club beach town snob type..................and that kind looks down their noses at pretty much everyone outside the bluebloods and brahmins.................
I appreciate the essay props, but feel more comfortable deferring to your experiential background as one who's always lived east of U. S. Route 1.

However, I financed my kid sister's move to Medford (later Somerville) in the 80's (where she lived and worked for five years at the Deutsch-Williams Law Firm) before returning to central New England. (In the 80's, Hagler was among their clients, and he knew my sister by name. After 34 years, Deutsch-Williams finally closed their doors in March 2018.) Based on conversations I've had with my sister and others familiar with the area, yeah, your comments about Blue Bloods and Brahmins in Boston prevails.

Ever see Gilligan's Island with the devastating send up by Jim Backus (a fantastic and criminally overlooked actor) of Boston elites as Thurston Howell III?

John Kerry modified his voice considerably for his careers in radio, television and politics, but who does he sound like here?



 
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brilliant little nugget :lol:

as a kid in the 80s all the old school stuff still deeply permeated the atmosphere.............Boston was as insular as an island and it was possible to regard the rest of the nation,outside new england,as 'foreign'............
Exchange students from Dublin, Ireland who waited on me and my sister at the Parker House (where she got freebies on Venison Loin Flambe and their original Boston Cream Pie via her agency work at Crimson Travel, where she began before switching to Deutsch-Williams) assured us that Saint Paddy's in Ireland was dismal and dreary, that the very best place in the world to celebrate it was Boston. (Kahir was name of the young waiter who taught me to make Irish Coffees with hot Demerara sugar syrup and room temperature heavy cream floated in a top layer, ridiculing the American use of canned whipped cream and cane sugar.)

You've continued on being around New England often enough to know the region will remain more insular than the rest of the country. You know how friendly folks in Florida can be, and that I've never truly been a New Englander by temperament, or ever could be. In stores, people from places like the Midwest will come up to me to strike up conversations because they see me as much more "approachable" than native locals. (This is especially remarkable because I'm actually shy and have been diagnosed with Asperger's. Yet despite being socially tone deaf, little things like making eye contact with an unconscious smile, then replying with a "neutral" southeast Florida accent puts outsiders at ease. Miami was settled by people who came from places like Ohio, St. Louis, Pennsylvania and Michigan, so when I learned to talk, it was around people who didn't have that Dixie accent associated with the Deep South. One had to go north of Orlando to begin hearing drawling back then.)
 

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Exchange students from Dublin, Ireland who waited on me and my sister at the Parker House (where she got freebies on Venison Loin Flambe and their original Boston Cream Pie via her agency work at Crimson Travel, where she began before switching to Deutsch-Williams) assured us that Saint Paddy's in Ireland was dismal and dreary, that the very best place in the world to celebrate it was Boston. (Kahir was name of the young waiter who taught me to make Irish Coffees with hot Demerara sugar syrup and room temperature heavy cream floated in a top layer, ridiculing the American use of canned whipped cream and cane sugar.)

You've continued on being around New England often enough to know the region will remain more insular than the rest of the country. You know how friendly folks in Florida can be, and that I've never truly been a New Englander by temperament, or ever could be. In stores, people from places like the Midwest will come up to me to strike up conversations because they see me as much more "approachable" than native locals. (This is especially remarkable because I'm actually shy and have been diagnosed with Asperger's. Yet despite being socially tone deaf, little things like making eye contact with an unconscious smile, then replying with a "neutral" southeast Florida accent puts outsiders at ease. Miami was settled by people who came from places like Ohio, St. Louis, Pennsylvania and Michigan, so when I learned to talk, it was around people who didn't have that Dixie accent associated with the Deep South. One had to go north of Orlando to begin hearing drawling back then.)
I think the whole unfriendly new englander thing is ......................misunderstood.................we just tend to be a bit more.....................conservative.............while 'southerners' are more superficially 'friendly' ............

of course I could be wrong because I speak the local language and so get a different reaction?
 
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I appreciate the essay props, but feel more comfortable deferring to your experiential background as one who's always lived east of U. S. Route 1.

However, I financed my kid sister's move to Medford (later Somerville) in the 80's (where she lived and worked for five years at the Deutsch-Williams Law Firm) before returning to central New England. (In the 80's, Hagler was among their clients, and he knew my sister by name. After 34 years, Deutsch-Williams finally closed their doors in March 2018.) Based on conversations I've had with my sister and others familiar with the area, yeah, your comments about Blue Bloods and Brahmins in Boston prevails.

Ever see Gilligan's Island with the devastating send up by Jim Backus (a fantastic and criminally overlooked actor) of Boston elites as Thurston Howell III?

John Kerry modified his voice considerably for his careers in radio, television and politics, but who does he sound like here?



the funny thing is,I never understood,as a kid,who was being satirized by old Thurston :lol:

he seemed like 'generic snobby rich guy' to me...................because,of course,that was what we had all around us...............especially in Swampscott/Marblehead where that was even maybe an 'ideal' of sorts :lol:

and god damn if Kerry dont sound like him :rofl

though,tbf,even that accent is thin compared to a lot of the working class and upper crust Boston accents I grew up around...........the JFK seemed more 'normal' to me,or the super thick more working class stuff where everything is 'wicked pissah' and there is an absolute lack of dangling r's
 
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This campaign season is already full of fuckery and comedy :lol:


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Both sides practice this horseshit. Voters with insider knowledge will look more at the realities of interpersonal relationships and chemistry. Graham and Trump hate each other as much as the Obamas and Clintons hate each other. Meanwhile, Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton grew up as friends and remain friends outside the public sphere. Regardless, it's also true that relationships can and do change.

Freshmen House and Senate members don't have the political experience to play the game effectively, yet they're the firebrands getting all the media attention, often alienating their colleagues in the process. But when Washington tried to fuck with New England, liberal and conservative members of Congress representing the New England states had no problems banding together to block Federal encroachments on their territory. (And in Florida, Jeb Bush had no problem telling his older brother and Dick Cheney to go fuck themselves over drilling off Florida's coast for oil the same year Deepwater Horizon was sunk off Louisiana.)

Ted Kennedy's best friend in the Senate was Orrin Hatch, and they worked together to try overturning the natural born citizen clause so Arnold Schwarzenegger could be eligible to run for POTUS (something Canadian born former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm vehemently opposes BTW. So do I, and the likes of Carnegie, Kissinger and Soros can attest that it doesn't really matter anyway).:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Opportunity_to_Govern_Amendment

Politics makes strange enemies as well as bedfellows. If you want something more "real," watch professional wrestling...
 
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I'm not watching much news these days (worthlessly biased drivel on all sides of the political spectrum), but WTF???...:

Half the guys here are shrugging it off as if it's nothing. Biden is going full retard with his dementia and corn pop racist talk. Let's not forget his sexual assault habits.



I'm going to beat Joe Biden. :rofl
 
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Half the guys here are shrugging it off as if it's nothing. Biden is going full retard with his dementia and corn pop racist talk. Let's not forget his sexual assault habits.
has this fellow ever gone after Trump like he goes after biden?

biden IS shit but he isnt pOTUS................

anyway,he sounds like one of the 'I dont like trump but let me tell you the million reasons hillary/biden are shit' guys who have nothing to say in MY TRUMP THREAD,about the billions of fucking fuckups trump commits weekly...........
 
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the metro area itself has a fair sized latino population.............mostly puerto ricans

the 'north end' is the old italian neighborhoods...........Southie the irish...........Beacon Hill the bluebloods.........

Boston also has a HUGE fucking student population because of all the colleges...........MIT,Harvard,BC,BU etc..........

Roxburry is indeed the 'black' area.............

Anyway,the 'original' settlers were english and so they,and to a lesser extent the 'french' sat/sit at the 'top' of the pyramid.............organized in a sort of 'who got here when' way.........and they looked down on the later irish immigrants....who looked down on the eastern euros like the polish...........who looked down on the later italians and other souther euros,who looked down on the black and brown folks and so on............

The split between catholic and protestant was also quite stark.............the original settlers were,of course,protestants fleeing religious persecution so,as soon as they got here,they began persecuting anyone not like them and,when the catholics began arriving,them too...........

This stratification isnt near as bad as it was 100 years ago........or 50...........but it still exists to some degree............as a kid the 'racism' I was most exposed to was 'white' people hating on other white people..........folks aint 'christian' like here in the south,they are very specific about what protestant church or they are 'catholic' or jewish..........the blueblood types make guinea and polack jokes,not 'n*gger' jokes...........gang fights between italians and the irish used to be common.........or just fights..........as one gets out into the metro area/suburbs shit gets whiter and whiter until,outside the 95 beltway ya hit peak New England NH/Vermont/Maine levels of 'white' [literally well over 90%] so the vast majority of new englanders still live in a snow white environment where some of the old hate on other whites stuff still exists......................

that said Bostonians hate on ANYONE from NY,for instance...........

as the worlds shrunk,through mass media and whatnot,its gotten a lot less 'racist' but there are still deep echoes of it.............and obvious odd things like the lack of catholic churches outside the metro areas,for instance.............

all that said,the 'openness' and brutality of the old school new englandy racism was never,imho,as bad as what goes on in places down here in the south,even now to some extent.........

new england really was and still is an insular bit of the country............not a lot of people move TO there...........yer born there and maybe move AWAY..........

DOnt know if any of this disjointed stuff helps :lol:
No this helps... gave me a better understanding. Philly has more black people than it does White people (Not by too big of a margin though.. I think as of now its 45% black 35% White 20% Hispanic mostly Puerto Rican) so I think thats more why the Irish and Italians are so close and similar here especially since they make up the majority of the traditional white Philly neighborhoods in the South and North East parts of the city. Boston just goes to show that even if you have a majority race people will still look for differences that they can hate each other over...
 

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No this helps... gave me a better understanding. Philly has more black people than it does White people (Not by too big of a margin though.. I think as of now its 45% black 35% White 20% Hispanic mostly Puerto Rican) so I think thats more why the Irish and Italians are so close and similar here especially since they make up the majority of the traditional white Philly neighborhoods in the South and North East parts of the city. Boston just goes to show that even if you have a majority race people will still look for differences that they can hate each other over...
which is exactly what I was trying to explain to @BigPete who thinks 'diversity' is only a problem when its brown and black folks............even in lilly white new england 'racism' was an issue...........and religious intolerance.............

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hilarious how trumps serial infidelity isnt even an issue :lol:

any other POTUS caught in this shit would be fucked over,day in and day out on all networks.................lack of character,lack of honesty,lack of family values etc etc etc

with trump?

its like the least fucked up thing on his resume........