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How do you feel about the amount of tax money that our government squanders on shit we don’t need like pointless wars that last forever, hooking up their cronies with no bid contracts, etc? I believe they collect plenty of revenue from the taxpayers and the issue is that they don’t spend it responsibly because they don’t have to. It’s like a drunken sailor running up his credit cards beyond the max and then the credit card companies just keep raising his limits. I’m sure I’ve said it on here before; if the government was a business they’d be out of business in no time flat.
I’m against all of the stupid wars and all of the unnecessary foreign policy intervention. That is a main reason why my 2 top choices for president are Jesse Ventura and Tulsi Gabbard. My main issues right now are trying to get a much less interventionist foreign policy, single payer health care, and getting as much money out of politics as possible so we can have a lot less of certain bs such as what you talked about such as the no bid contracts.
 

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Good point on certain democrats saying they are for things they know they won’t deliver on.

I was glad Bernie went on a black hip hop radio and YouTube show, the breakfast club recently and said he was against reparations without hesitating. That showed that at least as far as being genuine, he wasn’t going to lie just to try to get more votes from certain categories of voters.
But free college education wasn't a lie to cater to millenials?

I wonder why even the mention of reparations offends so many, to the point that an alleged liberal candidate can't even broach the issue and be taken seriously.
 
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But free college education wasn't a lie to cater to millenials?

I wonder why even the mention of reparations offends so many, to the point that an alleged liberal candidate can't even broach the issue and be taken seriously.
Bernie’s always been for free college.
 
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I wonder why even the mention of reparations offends so many
It doesn’t offend me but I’m against it for a couple of reasons. The main reason why I’m against it is because we are 154 years removed from slavery and that’s like 6 generations. It would have made sense to give it to freed slaves and children of freed slaves but they’re not alive anymore.

For political reasons, I think it’s just dumb to run on an issue that would be politically unpopular and have no chance of passing. A candidate would have to run in a general election with that burden and there would be no payoff. Even if I was for reparations, I’d at least be against the dem nominee running on it.
 
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And he's now had an additional four years to work out how he's going to pay for it. What's his plan?
I’m actually not with him on that issue and Bernie’s not even my choice right now. I don’t know what his plan is. At least he’s genuine on what he’s running on. Kamala and Liz don’t even have a plan because they only decided to run on reparations after they saw some black people in the media bring it up.
 

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It doesn’t offend me but I’m against it for a couple of reasons. The main reason why I’m against it is because we are 154 years removed from slavery and that’s like 6 generations. It would have made sense to give it to freed slaves and children of freed slaves but they’re not alive anymore.

For political reasons, I think it’s just dumb to run on an issue that would be politically unpopular and have no chance of passing. A candidate would have to run in a general election with that burden and there would be no payoff. Even if I was for reparations, I’d at least be against the dem nominee running on it.
Fair enough. I'm back and forth on the issue myself, but I am willing to hear any reasonable argument and plan for it.

Whomever is campaigning on it HAS TO know that it would be unpopular and alienate many more voters than it would please.

Slavery was 154 years ago, but blacks were still hunted, lynched, denied civil liberties, and denied even the chance for equality 100 years after the fact. Even if you exclude slavery, the black race would seem to be deserving of some sort of reckoning for the post-slavery fukkery alone.
 
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Fair enough. I'm back and forth on the issue myself, but I am willing to hear any reasonable argument and plan for it.

Whomever is campaigning on it HAS TO know that it would be unpopular and alienate many more voters than it would please.

Slavery was 154 years ago, but blacks were still hunted, lynched, denied civil liberties, and denied even the chance for equality 100 years after the fact. Even if you exclude slavery, the black race would seem to be deserving of some sort of reckoning for the post-slavery fukkery alone.
In the form of what, though, and who should have to pay? I took no part in slavery, lynchings or denying anybody their civil liberties so I’m not apologizing for shit. White guilt, or any other type of guilt, is for the guilty.
 
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In the form of what, though, and who should have to pay? I took no part in slavery, lynchings or denying anybody their civil liberties so I’m not apologizing for shit. White guilt, or any other type of guilt, is for the guilty.
You took no part in a murderer committing the deed and then going away for life, yet you still foot the bill for his prison stay. What is really the difference?

I have no interest in furthering the American overseas empire, yet I pay for wars all the time.

Etc, etc.

When you live in a society, you assume some of the costs of living in it, or you leave.
 

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You took no part in a murderer committing the deed and then going away for life, yet you still foot the bill for his prison stay. What is really the difference?

I have no interest in furthering the American overseas empire, yet I pay for wars all the time.

Etc, etc.

When you live in a society, you assume some of the costs of living in it, or you leave.
Taxes will need to be raised to cover black reparations unless the government gets their spending under control first, but that ain’t gonna happen, and I have no interest in paying more because some white people were assholes to your grandparents several decades ago.
 

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Taxes will need to be raised to cover black reparations unless the government gets their spending under control first, but that ain’t gonna happen, and I have no interest in paying more because some white people were assholes to your grandparents several decades ago.
It would take lots of creativity and it wouldn't be some huge lump sum payment, anyway (think yearly tax credits spaced out 15-20 years and maybe grants for college) meaning that the money wouldn't be life-changing in and of itself.

The original concept of '40 acres and a mule' was created so that blacks could be self-sufficient in the only way that they were trained to be.

The same concept of self-sufficiency would apply, and where a dumb and lazy farmer would have squandered his reparations 150 years ago, a dumb and lazy recipient would do the same today.

As for your interests, that is why we vote.
 
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It would take lots of creativity and it wouldn't be some huge lump sum payment, anyway (think yearly tax credits spaced out 15-20 years and maybe grants for college) meaning that the money wouldn't be life-changing in and of itself.

The original concept of '40 acres and a mule' was created so that blacks could be self-sufficient in the only way that they were trained to be.

The same concept of self-sufficiency would apply, and where a dumb and lazy farmer would have squandered his reparations 150 years ago, a dumb and lazy recipient would do the same today.

As for your interests, that is why we vote.
Blacks already receive grants for college that whites aren’t eligible for. Ever heard of the Negro College Fund? Nah, fuck that. You, just like myself, are extremely lucky to be here in this country today. If it wasn’t for slavery, something you never had to experience, you wouldn’t even be alive today, but if you were you’d probably be in some third world shithole country in Africa eating cookies made of dirt.
 

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Also, I’m all for tax breaks for everyone who actually pays them. We pay way too fucking much. I know I do, anyway, but at this point does anyone still believe that simply handing people shit actually works and makes them better for it in the long run? That shit almost never works, which is why we have generation after generation of families collecting welfare and doing fuck all productive their entire lives.
 

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Cool, always good talking to you, any debates and discussions that are friendly with a decent level of humor are always good to me, we always had a good level of common ground anyway
[/QUOTE]This thread has gone along swimmingly today. A breath of fresh air. Issues were actually discussed without Mr. Know who all insisting he is 'right' or The Rudder spazzing out like he has rabies.
 

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Blacks already receive grants for college that whites aren’t eligible for. Ever heard of the Negro College Fund? Nah, fuck that. You, just like myself, are extremely lucky to be here in this country today. If it wasn’t for slavery, something you never had to experience, you wouldn’t even be alive today, but if you were you’d probably be in some third world shithole country in Africa eating cookies made of dirt.
The UNCF was created by black people, first of all, and only extends to 37 different colleges and universities. What are you even talking about?

And why pretend that whites didn't benefit from 300 years of free labor? How do you think this country became so wealth -so quickly- the first place? White ingenuity? LOL. You'd have been annexed by Europe all over again if the slavery enterprise never existed, and North Carolina as you know it would be a pipe dream.
 

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The UNCF was created by black people, first of all, and only extends to 37 different colleges and universities. What are you even talking about?

And why pretend that whites didn't benefit from 300 years of free labor? How do you think this country became so wealth -so quickly- the first place? White ingenuity? LOL. You'd have been annexed by Europe all over again if the slavery enterprise never existed, and North Carolina as you know it would be a pipe dream.
The UNCF is for black people only. That’s what I’m talking about.

You benefited as well, and still do from not only free labor but the labor of everyone who helped to build this country, be they black, white, yellow, brown or otherwise. To pretend that only whites have benefited and are benefiting from all of that is just fucking retarded.

As I said, you’re damn lucky to be here and not in the shithole third world countries that your ancestors came from. Same goes for me, but you obviously don’t see it that way. You want to play the victim instead.