Tyson Fury (Lineal, RING & WBC) vs. Anthony Joshua (WBA, IBF, WBO & IBO)

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Fury vs. Joshua Winner and How?

  • Tyson Fury Stoppage

    Votes: 19 17.6%
  • Tyson Fury Decision

    Votes: 66 61.1%
  • Anthony Joshua Decision

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Anthony Joshua Stoppage

    Votes: 19 17.6%

  • Total voters
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But it won't have any legal authority in Saudi Arabia and Fury is a British national so what are they gonna do?
Seize and desist order against the promoters and Alphabet bodies to prevent them from promoting and sanctioning the event.
 
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Seize and desist order against the promoters and Alphabet bodies to prevent them from promoting and sanctioning the event.
Damn that sounds a pretty good option, I didn't consider that. Even Matchroom would have to comply since they have a US arm and operate there regularly now.
 
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Damn that sounds a pretty good option, I didn't consider that. Even Matchroom would have to comply since they have a US arm and operate there regularly now.
Wilder could sue Tyson Fury and his promoters for breach of contract. And Matchroom and AJs management company for Tortious interference in a contract.

If the Saudi organisers have a Sports event company registered in the USA they can also be sued for Tortious interference.

Bottom line they are most likely gonna gave to pay Wilder step aside money... and option of being the first defence for the winner.

It all depends on how Uncle Al Haymon wants to play it....Haymon might be a useless promoter but he is very good on the contractual legalities, thats why fighters started hiring him to begin with.
 
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And if it comes to step aside Matchroom and AJ will argue that step aside money should come out of Furys and his Promoters share of the revenue. Since its their contract obligation.

Furys team could argue they wont sign of on the agreement unless the step aside cash is skimmed of the top of the total revenue.

So if the story of Arbitrator ruling in Wilders favour is true... Plenty of legal Chess play and wrangling to come.

In the interim the Saudis could say they are no longer interested.
 
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If this cancels the AJ v Fury fight, Wilder will be even less popular than he is already especially if given how hard it was to arrange and get to (if not quite over) the line. I wonder how much he would as stand aside money? I'm guessing given the money on the table for that fight it will be at least $10 million and then I'm guessing there will be an argument over who pays it as EH and AJ will rightly argue it should come from Fury's split while I'm sure Fury will want that AJ pays 50%. Wouldn't surprise if this Kibboshes the whole thing and Fury fights Wilder and AJ v Usyk and maybe if they both win they start again with negotiations for early 2022 but I would put it as less than 50% it ever happens at that point.
 
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If this cancels the AJ v Fury fight, Wilder will be even less popular than he is already especially if given how hard it was to arrange and get to (if not quite over) the line. I wonder how much he would as stand aside money? I'm guessing given the money on the table for that fight it will be at least $10 million and then I'm guessing there will be an argument over who pays it as EH and AJ will rightly argue it should come from Fury's split while I'm sure Fury will want that AJ pays 50%. Wouldn't surprise if this Kibboshes the whole thing and Fury fights Wilder and AJ v Usyk and maybe if they both win they start again with negotiations for early 2022 but I would put it as less than 50% it ever happens at that point.
You are delusional if you think Wilder will care what people think of him if he gets to bank $5 million or even $10 million for doing absolutely nothing. :patsch
 
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Furys team could argue they wont sign of on the agreement unless the step aside cash is skimmed of the top of the total revenue.
I wonder how much he would as stand aside money? I'm guessing given the money on the table for that fight it will be at least $10 million and then I'm guessing there will be an argument over who pays it as EH and AJ will rightly argue it should come from Fury's split while I'm sure Fury will want that AJ pays 50%.
Morally Fury should take the full hit on any step aside money demanded by Wilder no doubt. But, if AJ wants to be undisputed he has an interest in making the fight happen asap even if that means he has to pay Wilder half the money. I have a feeling that AJ wants undisputed more than Fury, they both want the fight but I get the impression Fury cares less about being undisputed as long as the purse is right and he gets to fight AJ that'll do. If they have to fight Wilder and Usyk next before they meet each other then the fight is in serious jepoardy so hopefully Wilder is happy to take money
 
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Morally Fury should take the full hit on any step aside money demanded by Wilder no doubt. But, if AJ wants to be undisputed he has an interest in making the fight happen asap even if that means he has to pay Wilder half the money. I have a feeling that AJ wants undisputed more than Fury, they both want the fight but I get the impression Fury cares less about being undisputed as long as the purse is right and he gets to fight AJ that'll do. If they have to fight Wilder and Usyk next before they meet each other then the fight is in serious jepoardy so hopefully Wilder is happy to take money
 
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Terrific, so Arum messed up basically, he needs to get some better lawyers. OK well at least we know where we are with this now, I said Fury should have a fight before AJ anyway since he hasn't boxed since last year and AJ has so this will give him that, get rid of Wilder one more time and then let's have it at the end of the year I agree. The problem of course is Wilder regaining the title or Usyk upsetting the bookmakers, I can't decide which is more likely, both men should be getting past those guys but we've seen it before. Any sort of upset and the fight's almost certainly off for good but do boxing fans just want to see the undisputed fight at heavyweight or do they want Fury vs AJ specifically is the question? No doubt Brits want to see Fury/AJ but I'd settle for Wilder/AJ in its place, that's a fight I need to see regardless of what's on the line.
 
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Terrific, so Arum messed up basically, he needs to get some better lawyers. OK well at least we know where we are with this now, I said Fury should have a fight before AJ anyway since he hasn't boxed since last year and AJ has so this will give him that, get rid of Wilder one more time and then let's have it at the end of the year I agree. The problem of course is Wilder regaining the title or Usyk upsetting the bookmakers, I can't decide which is more likely, both men should be getting past those guys but we've seen it before. Any sort of upset and the fight's almost certainly off for good but do boxing fans just want to see the undisputed fight at heavyweight or do they want Fury vs AJ specifically is the question? No doubt Brits want to see Fury/AJ but I'd settle for Wilder/AJ in its place, that's a fight I need to see regardless of what's on the line.
Uncle Bob and Eddie Hearn are the biggest liars in the game. The fact this has been drawn out without any signatures means they probably knew it was not going to happen.

Most likely it was all about creating momentum and generating hype when the fight does take place.

Cant see Wilder beating Fury if they do fight next.
 

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Well thats AJ v Fury done for 2021 then. I'm guessing if Fury fights Wilder in July then AJ will fight Usyk in likely September (to given McCracken more leeway with the Olympics). IF they both win, they may start the negotiations again but if the fight happens (which I would give less than a 50%) chance then it will be Mar/APr 2022 now. Given the protracted nature of getting this one nearly to announcement I can't see there being a hope in hell in getting a new deal signed in the few weeks after AJ fights again to give both guys a long enough Camp to fight in December.

Also this may have blown things with the Saudi's for the big money, they might decide to spend there oil money on something a little more reliable, which would open the door for another middle eastern oil sheikh to stump up, Wembley (which may be allowed full capacity by spring 22) or Vegas (how depressing to have two UK fighters fighting at 5am for their home fans).
 
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Oh well you can't blame him for trying, like Plant he's in the way of undisputed so he does have a good hand but with Wilder they can just fight him and get him out of the way so looks like we don't got no fight for undisputed until December at the earliest but that's assuming Wilder will agree to the July date, just because Arum's booked something it doesn't mean it's acceptable, what a mess this all is
 
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Oh well you can't blame him for trying, like Plant he's in the way of undisputed so he does have a good hand but with Wilder they can just fight him and get him out of the way so looks like we don't got no fight for undisputed until December at the earliest but that's assuming Wilder will agree to the July date, just because Arum's booked something it doesn't mean it's acceptable, what a mess this all is
Fake news Frank Warren said, he hopes Wilder will demand less then $ 20 million in an interview with Daily Mail.. If it comes to step aside, so the Daily Express has manufactured a story out of it. And claim he has actually demanded it.
 
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The more I hear the more I'm convinced that Fury v Joshua is fading into the ether never to return. Seems pretty clear Wilder is more interested in screwing up the fight and messing with Fury and AJ than anything else as he could have probably got $8-10 million plus a fight against the winner which would have probably been worth $30m+. Now he will maybe get $20m and probably have his career (at least at world level) finished.
 
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Usyk has also issued legal notices to get his mandatory shot. He has retained the services of John Hornewer one of the best lawyers in the business. He represented Lennox Lewis in several cases and won them all from what I recall. Against Panix Promotions and Frank Maloney, against Hasim Rahman to get his rematch. And against Mike Tyson to prevent him having a tough tuneup against Ray Mercer before his fight with Lewis.
 
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The more I hear the more I'm convinced that Fury v Joshua is fading into the ether never to return. Seems pretty clear Wilder is more interested in screwing up the fight and messing with Fury and AJ than anything else as he could have probably got $8-10 million plus a fight against the winner which would have probably been worth $30m+. Now he will maybe get $20m and probably have his career (at least at world level) finished.
It is professional boxing and they are all trying to make as much money out of it as they can.

$20m and retirement might suit Wilder down to the ground at this point in time. Who is to know?